Mister X Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 JUMBOTRONS! That would give it more synergy. It wouldn't kill downtown if there was a little more flash, sparkle and glamour. HP would get more attention if it emitted light. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb320 Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 JUMBOTRONS! That would give it more synergy. It wouldn't kill downtown if there was a little more flash, sparkle and glamour. HP would get more attention if it emitted light.I wonder why that got scrapped in the first place. You're right, it's in need of some bling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 I've been to HP a couple of times during the last few months to go to concerts at the House of Blues and I agree that it's pretty stale. It's never reached a high enough occupancy rate to really become a destination. The first floor is ok, and the eastern end of the third floor has some good places, but the second floor is a ghost town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 These were taken two weeks ago, but never got around to posting them: This is where I'm guessing where Scot Gertner's bar will be. For a little context, this was taken at about 8ish? So it was still fairly early on a Saturday night. The inside of Forever 21. It wasn't packed, but there were people inside and saw more than a few people with bags walking around town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 pavilions isn't a shopping destination because all the stores here can be found at the mall around the corner from where you live. The only unique things are the HoB and Lucky Strike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 pavilions isn't a shopping destination because all the stores here can be found at the mall around the corner from where you live. The only unique things are the HoB and Lucky Strike You also seem to forget, not everyone lives in the 'burbs. This would be better marketed to the people coming in for business or conventions, not to mention the occasional Midtowner. Just a pity we couldn't get a hotel in there, I think it would have been more successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatesdisastr Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 You also seem to forget, not everyone lives in the 'burbs. This would be better marketed to the people coming in for business or conventions, not to mention the occasional Midtowner. Just a pity we couldn't get a hotel in there, I think it would have been more successful. I agree on the hotel. I think the longer HP sites idle like it has been, the longer and more difficult it is to eventually persuade Houstonians this is a place to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 perhaps one can be built next door? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 perhaps one can be built next door?There's one already next door, I'm curious how many visitors HP gets from them. I would think hotel visitors like convenience, especially business travlers, so a hotel next door would benefit HP and the hotel I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I think that they would really benefit by some development on the parking lots down Dallas towards the Hilton. Has anybody heard anything about potential development in that area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Is Scott Gertner's Skybar not open yet? I thought it had been open fora few months now. Whats taking so long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoninATX Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I wish the developer would go ahead and build the condo part over the pavilions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Is Scott Gertner's Skybar not open yet? I thought it had been open fora few months now. Whats taking so long?August 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I wish the developer would go ahead and build the condo part over the pavilions.Im not sure that's even possible right now... even if it is... the cost might be prohibitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I wish the developer would go ahead and build the condo part over the pavilions.pretty sure the developer is broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Books-A-Million was paying $1900 for a huge space in Pavilions, and still wasn't making money. They said they were moving out and Pavilions cut them an even sweeter deal to stay. There's definitely no money for condos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 This is what happens when you make a crappy product and cut every corner possible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Unsure about crappy. It was supposed to have much more than this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoninATX Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 It would have been nice to see either apartments or condos above it... http://houstonist.com/2006/10/10/houston_pavilio_1.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 You also seem to forget, not everyone lives in the 'burbs. This would be better marketed to the people coming in for business or conventions, not to mention the occasional Midtowner. Just a pity we couldn't get a hotel in there, I think it would have been more successful. That's what happens when you cut so many damn corners. If the Pavilions looked like the first rendering they showed, I don't have much doubt that it would be a success. They should have kept the condo/hotel tower (just build that parking!), maybe add a 12-screen movie theater (AMC or Cinemark), add jumbotrons (with ads for the Rockets, movie ads, etc.), and probably the most important, make stores accessible from the sidewalk. There should be two entrances, one in the inside corridor, and one on the sidewalk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Have the developers attempted to court some sort of discount store or grocery store in it? Just think...a prototype "urban" Walmart, or maybe an H-E-B with vermaports. It has potential. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 That's what happens when you cut so many damn corners. If the Pavilions looked like the first rendering they showed, I don't have much doubt that it would be a success. They should have kept the condo/hotel tower (just build that parking!), maybe add a 12-screen movie theater (AMC or Cinemark), add jumbotrons (with ads for the Rockets, movie ads, etc.), and probably the most important, make stores accessible from the sidewalk. There should be two entrances, one in the inside corridor, and one on the sidewalk. MisterX strongly disagrees with your post! we should all stop our complaining b/c hey, at least the parking lots are gone! what an ungrateful lot around here.... but that;s exactly what should have happened. the developers were able to turn what should have been a transformative block of cbd into what has amounted to little more than an outdoor mall with an office building attached. i'm glad the city is trying to force them to open up the sidewalks. i mean the fact that they didn't do that to begin with (as shown in their own renderings) is almost mindblowing. probably the single biggest goal of a development like this (outside of turning a profit) is to increase pedestrian activity, to draw the surrounding people to the complex... and they literally went in the other direction. the developer deserves to be broke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister X Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) swtsig agrees with your post (no offense Trae). We should all keep up the complaining and then the developer will tear down this version of HP and build a new one just for disgruntled HAIFers. Seriously, if typing complaints on the internet about a project which has already been built can make HP be a better place to visit, then by all means keep typing and bitching.I know HP could have been better, but besides the positive of replacing vacant lots, the other positive (a dirty word at HAIF) that might come out of HP not having the residential component COULD be that the near by vacant lots to the east of HP may one day be a draw to developers wanting to cash in on having residential proximity to HP. The hotels and condos that didn't get built on top of HP could very well be built next to HP and fill some vacant lots. Whereas if HP built hotels and residential, it might keep those other vacant lots empty forever. Another positive (excuse my language) is that now there is something to work with on those blocks. Really, it is a miracle that anything was built there at all - especially now. Instead of discussing ways to make HP better we could very well be discussing what pie in the sky ideas we all WISH somebody would build on those 3 vacant blocks which could have easily remained empty for the rest of our lives. Yes. I'm glad HP is there. Now at least there is something to fight about. Maybe swtsig's idea of what HP should have been will go up on the 3 vacant lots directly east of HP. Edited May 13, 2011 by Mister X 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I'm glad Pavilions is there, but why should that stop be from bitching about missed opportunities that the developer had? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister X Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I'm glad Pavilions is there, but why should that stop be from bitching about missed opportunities that the developer had?Go ahead. Just see where that gets you. Maybe you can get the city to force HP to get jumbotrons - it couldn't hurt. Maybe with enuf bitching they will even build a big residential tower on top. Maybe the broke developers can start printing their own money.I personally think it's a bit late for crying over it, but you never know. While your at it - see if you can get 10 more stories put on top of Hess Tower too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Go ahead. Just see where that gets you. Maybe you can get the city to force HP to get jumbotrons - it couldn't hurt. Maybe with enuf bitching they will even build a big residential tower on top. Maybe the broke developers can start printing their own money.I personally think it's a bit late for crying over it, but you never know. While your at it - see if you can get 10 more stories put on top of Hess Tower too.It's an Internet forum... What do you expect? I hope the pavillions stays healthy enough to not become vacant. The lots south of it could spur promising developemnts in the future, and will hopefully feed each other the volume. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Books-A-Million was paying $1900 for a huge space in Pavilions, and still wasn't making money. They said they were moving out and Pavilions cut them an even sweeter deal to stay. There's definitely no money for condos.That big store is that cheap, can't be?!?!?That's the price of a 3 bedroom apartment in some places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 That big store is that cheap, can't be?!?!?That's the price of a 3 bedroom apartment in some places.They desperately need an anchor there to be able to draw people into the rest of the complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrLan34 Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 what's the word on scott gertner's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonMidtown Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 what's the word on scott gertner's?Walked by there last week, it's still under construction....you can see inside, it's pretty much a wide open space right now...not sure if that's how it will be when finished...also couldn't tell where the outdoor portion will be, assumed it was directly above, but couldnt see anything going on up there... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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