bobruss Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Skyhouse, is an anomaly. It's a residential model that they've constructed multiple times and it's construction has become rote. They just move permanent crews from one project to the next, and everything works like a clock. They might even reuse a lot of their forms and materials. They schedule their projects to overlap which allows for a fluid construction process. AS for comparing the construction of the Empire State building to reinforced concrete structures being built today, is like comparing grapes to watermelons. The Empire state building is built on a fairly shallow bedrock, and reinforced concrete construction is a much slower method than steel erection. To hazard a guess the reason they use reinforced concrete over steel in most projects here is cost of materials? It was exciting watching Allied Bank and Four Allen center constructed in the eighties. Nothing like watching those raw steel structures rise, especially with their curved and octagonal shapes. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 heard they had a deal with sephora but they backed out.....i really hope this doesnt become a flop. if greenstreet fails after all this renvo and boost then we can almost kiss retail in downtown bye. greenstreet sucess is so vital 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CREguy13 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 heard they had a deal with sephora but they backed out.....i really hope this doesnt become a flop. if greenstreet fails after all this renvo and boost then we can almost kiss retail in downtown bye. greenstreet sucess is so vitalI don't agree with this at all. The organic growth that is occurring around Market Square could be a hotbed for retail in future years. I love all the initiatives the city is taking with what they're trying to do with Dallas St., but I personally have always been a proponent of the invisible hand of the market. I would rather walk out my front door and have everything within a few blocks walking distance rather than walk several blocks to the center of CBD. I hope I'm wrong, but I really don't think Greenstreet and Dallas St. will work as quickly as most HAIFers want it to. I think it will continue to lease to entertainment venues and restaurants because that is the demand for the surrounding population of the project. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 With the city spending so much to renovate Dallas and the huge task force that did numerous case studies and said how important Greenstrert is numerous times.If greenstreet flops it's bad for downtown houston plain and simple. Market square isnt going be a hotbed for retail, maybe theyll land a grocery store but that's the most that'll happen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Have you not walked downtown lately? There's activity all over Main Street and Market Square. Green street won't make or break the success of downtown.You're also forgetting Lovett's plans for the Post Office site, though that's been a little quiet lately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CREguy13 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 With the city spending so much to renovate Dallas and the huge task force that did numerous case studies and said how important Greenstrert is numerous times.If greenstreet flops it's bad for downtown houston plain and simple. Market square isnt going be a hotbed for retail, maybe theyll land a grocery store but that's the most that'll happenI agree Greenstreet is important, but I'm not sure why you're so certain the area of North Downtown couldn't support a lot of retail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Have you not walked downtown lately? There's activity all over Main Street and Market Square. Green street won't make or break the success of downtown.You're also forgetting Lovett's plans for the Post Office site, though that's been a little quiet lately. Yes i live in downtown, and lets not get carried away with ourselves with theres activity all over Main street. it is the holiday season, but theres no "activity" on main street after 8pm. Its a bunch of pan handlers hanging by the store, i ve heard ALOT of visitors who stayed at the JW marriot that they were uncomfortable with the amount of them right across the street.Anyways thats beyond the point, this is the final straw for greenstreet with the city pumping so much money into it and with the new hotel, this HAS TO WORK for downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Agreed. This is not rocket science...how many damn dumbass studies do these old farts need? Along Dallas Street: convert the old Sakowitz building into a Nordstrom or Bloomingdale's with luxe hotel/office/resi above, also add a Macy's (with resi/hotel/office above) and gfr/restaurants all along Dallas Street...push play. Very simple. Or they should take a field trip to Michigan Avenue in Chicago and take notes...then come back to Dallas Street and do something similar. Very simple. Anything less than that for a city/CBD the size of Houston is a big fat flop. All it takes is leadership, but Houston misses the mark on CBD retail leadership. yup hit the nail on the head, i have friends who come in from chicago and even philly and they say thats their biggest complaint. can you imagine if we actually had a retail hub at greenstreet and that the Sakowitz building would be renovated into a major retailer. Imaging having a mini city centere like in downtown, man that would truly be awesome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I think you're both right: both Dallas Street and Market Square will support great retail...just different kinds. Dallas Street is poised for big-box and high-street retail a la Michigan Avenue, whereas Market Square is geared more toward organic retail a la 14th St./Union Square NYC, with its surrounding gfr and locally sourced produce/flowers/baked goods/crafts, vendor carts/stands, etc. throughout the square. Market square is not a retail hub and will never be. Stop fooling yourself, it would be a great spot for a small grocery store but its a nightlife area. Its where you go to get a drink or want to hit up a night spot. Theres huge differences between the two, your retail hub needs to be greenstreet. Its made for retail, it has great train access from two separate lines, the city pushed for this hotel nd they are redoing the entire Dallas street. Greenstreet NEEDS to work for CBD retail future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 You've misunderstood. I didn't say Market Square should be a retail hub...I said Dallas Street is the hub and Market Square retail something different...more organic retail, nonetheless. imagine if we had a covent garden market type that is in london on that side of town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 the city has potential which is the frustrating thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) lets not get carried away with ourselveslol Edited November 27, 2015 by BigFootsSocks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 our next mayor i doubt has that thought 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietstorm Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) What would the city need to do to just "put" a big retailer in the Sakowitz building or "get rid of" the corner store on Main? This is naive thinking, imo. I agree that these things would help improve DT retail; however, I don't see what the city has to do with both of these commercial entities. The owners are there to make money and obviously the corner store is doing just that or it would have closed by now. Tax incentives and renovations to promote growth is one thing, wishing the city would "get rid of" or repurpose private businesses because we prefer something else is another. Edited November 27, 2015 by quietstorm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) What would the city need to do to "just put" a big retailer in the Sakowitz building or "get rid of" the corner store on Main? This is naive thinking, imo. I agree that these things would help improve DT retail; however, I don't see what the city has to do with both of these commercial entities. The owners are there to make money and obviously the corner store is doing just that or it would have closed by now.Tax incentives and renovations to promote growth is one thing, wishing the city would "get rid of" or repurpose private businesses because we prefer something else is another.Does the corner store owner own the property as well or do they rent? Incentives to refurbish and restore older buildings might be a good idea. Maybe then a developer would make an offer on the building itself rather than the store? Edited November 27, 2015 by Montrose1100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietstorm Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) Does the corner store owner own the property as well or do they rent? Incentives to refurbish and restore older buildings might be a good idea. Maybe then a developer would make an offer on the building itself rather than the store? Good idea. For the "Just a Dollar" store at 901 Main, HCAD shows it is owned by Indus Business Corp and its current appraisal value is $1.5 million (which I'm sure the owners would ask for more). The Main Food Store at 1101 Main is owned by a Valika Real Estate and is appraised at just over $1 million. Edited November 27, 2015 by quietstorm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Montrose1100 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Good idea. For the "Just a Dollar" store at 901 Main, HCAD shows it is owned by Indus Business Corp and its current appraisal value is $1.5 million (which I'm sure the owners would ask for more). The Main Food Store at 1101 Main is owned by a Valika Real Estate and is appraised at just over $1 million.This maybe selfish & off topic but if that building was restored and turned into a two-story Starbucks it would be awesome. Close to all the hotels, good for lunch too. Every time I pick up a coffee and then drive downtown, everyone asks where the closest one is. I have no idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 There's a Starbucks in the Humble building/ Springwood Suites - right across the street from the old Macy's building. Ben's Beans is also on Dallas, across from 4 seasonsI feel like there's a Starbucks in the tunnels too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 There are Starbucks in the tunnels under 600 Travis (Chase), Pennzoil, and One Shell (that come to mind). There's one at ground level at 1100 Louisiana, one in the Park Shops, and I wanna say there's another on the gerbil tube level of One or Two Houston (but I might be wrong about that). And of course the new one at the Hilton Americas, and another at the foot of Main at UHD. There are also a number of Seattle's Best - Two Shell and Centerpoint at the tunnel level come to mind. The Coffee Borg is just about everywhere - if you can't find one, you're not looking too hard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) There are Starbucks in the tunnels under 600 Travis (Chase), Pennzoil, and One Shell (that come to mind). There's one at ground level at 1100 Louisiana, one in the Park Shops, and I wanna say there's another on the gerbil tube level of One or Two Houston (but I might be wrong about that). And of course the new one at the Hilton Americas, and another at the foot of Main at UHD.There are also a number of Seattle's Best - Two Shell and Centerpoint at the tunnel level come to mind.The Coffee Borg is just about everywhere - if you can't find one, you're not looking too hard.Are they open on the weekend?Edit: I guess easily accessible on the weekend is the real question* Edited November 28, 2015 by Montrose1100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 the one in the Humble building is only open on Saturdays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Dude we dont need a 2 story Starbucks at this prime spot. Thats the worst idea ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Dude we dont need a 2 story Starbucks at this prime spot. Thats the worst idea everAGREE!!! What are some people thinking? smh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Dude we dont need a 2 story Starbucks at this prime spot. Thats the worst idea everWhat's you're idea to draw out hotel guests/residents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 What's you're idea to draw out hotel guests/residents? Three story starbucks Also, forgot the starbucks they just opened in GRB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) Three story starbucksAlso, forgot the starbucks they just opened in GRBLol perfect.I did say the idea was selfish. Edited November 28, 2015 by Montrose1100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dml423 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Three story starbucks Also, forgot the starbucks they just opened in GRB I went by that Starbucks last Sunday and the prices are more expensive than other Starbucks. Like $1-2 more per drink (Coffee). Wine glasses were like $15 and beer was $7.5. With that said, it was still packed with the weight lifters from the international tournament they had and a bunch of little girl cheerleaders and their moms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enriquewx91 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 What downtown needs is a Five Guys! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctaf Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 or a Shake Shack! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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