HTOWN LIVE Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Agreed. The Dillard's really detracts from the beauty of the Zone D'erotica building.Lol, yes together they're the pimple on the area's butt. Hopefully the boom will make them disappear soon. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Simon announced a large mixed-use outlet mall anchored redevelopment of the Texas Instruments site on 59 yesterday. it will include the outlet mall, up to 600K of office, apartments and hotel. /speculation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Have you ever seen how many people cross Post Oak to get from the Galleria to Dillard's on any given weekend?From a business perspective, Dillard's is absolutely not out of place. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTOWN LIVE Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Have you ever seen how many people cross Post Oak to get from the Galleria to Dillard's on any given weekend?From a business perspective, Dillard's is absolutely not out of place.Those masses of people are making their way back to their cars...everybody knows Dillard's exists for the sake of extended Galleria parking. They certainly aren't going there to shop.Dillard's is a morgue on good days...but it's parking is great for Galleria overflow. That Dillard's isn't making much money...but they would make some if they took a page from Tootsie's book and moved nearby to a refreshed new location. They should swallow their pride and take the money and run.They definitely need a new `do' and developers could use the space. Everybody wins, especially Houston. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Agreed. If Dillard's was smart, they would move...they would get a premium for that premier site. Then use some of the money to build a fresh modern expression of itself nearby.Maybe configure themselves into BLVD Place in a deal with Wulfe & Co. or the Uptown Park redevelopment. They're clearly out of place with that old tired store in the midst of all that extraordinary Galleria development. The Dillard's tract is a waste of land, as that store doesn't fit the location anymore. It's now a relic and BUTT UGLY.I'm not saying they need to get out of town, just away from the Galleria. Something fabulous and iconic could be built there...something Williams Tower-ish.I'll bet Dillards owns that lot (but not the Zone d'erotica) and will gladly sell it for a cool $100 Million, otherwise I'm sure we would have seen a redevelopment there many years ago. Otherwise they aren't leaving. They're not "attached" to the Galleria, but they are essentially a part of that complex and they would be a fool to leave the biggest, best performing mall in this whole region of the US. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTOWN LIVE Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I'll bet Dillards owns that lot (but not the Zone d'erotica) and will gladly sell it for a cool $100 Million, otherwise I'm sure we would have seen a redevelopment there many years ago. Otherwise they aren't leaving. They're not "attached" to the Galleria, but they are essentially a part of that complex and they would be a fool to leave the biggest, best performing mall in this whole region of the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Would rather see Zone D'erotica and the Shell gone first. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Why not develop a multi story Dillard's into the podium of a new mixed use development/tower on that plot? Maybe built it in their parking lot fronting westheimer, while the current building stays open, and then tear down the old Dillard's and garage once the new one is open and build a second phase/additional tower there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTOWN LIVE Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I'll bet Dillards owns that lot (but not the Zone d'erotica) and will gladly sell it for a cool $100 Million, otherwise I'm sure we would have seen a redevelopment there many years ago. Otherwise they aren't leaving. They're not "attached" to the Galleria, but they are essentially a part of that complex and they would be a fool to leave the biggest, best performing mall in this whole region of the US.Pipe dreams, I'll bet not. They could hope for half of that. Yes, the Galleria is doing great, but not Dillard's. It looks like a rusting Ford Pinto next to a new Rolls Royce.The Houston market has evolved and prefers the experience of what's featured in the world of Macy's (moderate) to Nordstrom (upscale), than to tacky Dillard's. Whatever niche they had is dead and irrelevant. The Macy's to Nordstrom range is the standard...Dillard's is not a premium All-American brand...never was.They could even stay put, yet redevelop the property by reconstructing themselves with a couple towers and a hotel and an underground tunnel connecting to the Galleria. Put on some makeup and refresh...do something besides sit there and rot like an eyesore. Their pride is keeping them there...thinking the prestige of the Galleria will elevate their image. NOT.Of course they can sit there wishing for a payday, but Houston will continue to pass by and sneer on their way to the Galleria. Only a fool wouldn't take that kind of money, especially when they're clearly out of their league...just look at their rich neighbor across the street. Dillard's can not keep up with the Jones's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTOWN LIVE Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Would rather see Zone D'erotica and the Shell gone first. Hallelujah. Agreed. All of that crap (the entire lot) should have been gone! Dillard's will get a nice sum, but developers will let them rot if they're being overly greedy and think they're going to fleece potential buyers with a ridiculous asking price fit for Fifth Avenue. Dillard's better remember that pigs get killed...hogs get slaughtered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Pipe dreams, I'll bet not. They could hope for half of that. Yes, the Galleria is doing great, but not Dillard's. It looks like a rusting Ford Pinto next to a new Rolls Royce.The Houston market has evolved and prefers the experience of what's featured in the world of Macy's (moderate) to Nordstrom (upscale), than to tacky Dillard's. Whatever niche they had is dead and irrelevant. The Macy's to Nordstrom range is the standard...Dillard's is not a premium All-American brand...never was.They could even stay put, yet redevelop the property by reconstructing themselves with a couple towers and a hotel and an underground tunnel connecting to the Galleria. Put on some makeup and refresh...do something besides sit there and rot like an eyesore. Their pride is keeping them there...thinking the prestige of the Galleria will elevate their image. NOT.Of course they can sit there wishing for a payday, but Houston will continue to pass by and sneer on their way to the Galleria. Only a fool wouldn't take that kind of money, especially when they're clearly out of their league...just look at their rich neighbor across the street. Dillard's can not keep up with the Jones's. Point being - Dillard's probably (assuming they own that lot) wouldn't sell except for a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 hey, my great pal htownlive, do you have any form of insight as to when will neiman marcus completely renovate / expand their highly antiquated galleria store? or heck, tear it down and rebuild a newer more modern luxury masterpiece along the lines of saks 5th avenue. i am aware, that their houston store is currently the chains number #1 in sales. however, everyone knows that this current galleria edifice is indeed too small and quite antiquated. you would think that they shall be currently making renovation / expansion plans, in light of the new forthcoming saks store.... right? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTOWN LIVE Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) hey, my great pal htownlive, do you have any form of insight as to when will neiman marcus completely renovate / expand their highly antiquated galleria store? or heck, tear it down and rebuild a newer more modern luxury masterpiece along the lines of saks 5th avenue. i am aware, that their houston store is currently the chains number #1 in sales. however, everyone knows that this current galleria edifice is indeed too small and quite antiquated. you would think that they shall be currently making renovation / expansion plans, in light of the new forthcoming saks store.... right?Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus operate the finest stores in America. And yes, NM Houston Galleria, Beverly Hills, and Dallas NorthPark all vie for #1 continually. In certain markets, like Houston, those two fight to the death. So with SFA now constructing a new bigger palace, you can bet your last dollar that NM is at its drawing board now.NM Houston Galleria usually gets a complete remodel every 7-10 yrs, but the new Saks flagship will only make them do something more extraordinary, and maybe quicker than usual. Idk of anything specific, but with the new Saks coming in 2016, a top-to-bottom remodel for NM will surely follow. And at 225,000 sf, NM Houston Galleria is one of the largest. Beverly Hills is 185,000 sf, Dallas is about 230,000. NM Houston Galleria turns 50 in 2020, so I would guess a remodel will start just after the new Saks opens in 2016.The question regarding NM and SFA is, which one will get the last anchor space at The Woodlands, as they both need an additional store in Houston. Nordstrom just opened a second store there last month. Edited October 31, 2014 by HTOWN LIVE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryDierker Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 There is a Galleria expansion thread this conversation could be taking place in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I can remember when that Dillard's was a Joske's. If there were a way to connect to the Galleria, that would make a whole lot of sense. As for how Zone D'Erotica got that corner, I would imagine it must be making all kinds of money; otherwise the landlord would have raised the rent to something prohibitive and tried to redevelop those pad sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 And at 225,000 sf, NM Houston Galleria is one of the largest. Beverly Hills is 185,000 sf, Dallas is about 230,000. NM Houston Galleria turns 50 in 2020, so I would guess a remodel will start just after the new Saks opens in 2016. The Houston NM at 224,000 sf is currently the second largest in the chain. Only San Francisco is larger, at 252,000 sf. Dallas Northpark is no. 3, at 218,000 sf. Atlanta #4 at 206,000. http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=118113&p=irol-storelocations 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTOWN LIVE Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 The Houston NM at 224,000 sf is currently the second largest in the chain. Only San Francisco is larger, at 252,000 sf. Dallas Northpark is no. 3, at 218,000 sf. Atlanta #4 at 206,000. http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=118113&p=irol-storelocationsYou're right, I forgot NM San Francisco at Union Square is gigantic and simply marvelous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 The Houston NM at 224,000 sf is currently the second largest in the chain. Only San Francisco is larger, at 252,000 sf. Dallas Northpark is no. 3, at 218,000 sf. Atlanta #4 at 206,000. http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=118113&p=irol-storelocationsmuch obliged as per the information houston19514. i guess that it just seems that neiman marcus galleria, is just waaaay too small and extremely crowded. sometimes, you can barely walk in that store without being afraid of knocking something off of a table / rack / display. i have never ever felt this way when i'm shopping at galleria saks. i really love neimans.. i just wish that they would construct a better more modern, and yet comfortable store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Mods feel free to me this discussion to the galleria redevelopment thread... I sincerely hope NM does NOT renovate their exterior. It's unique and charming. A fortress of luxury. As far as the interior goes, perhaps the ground level and men's basement level could use a face lift but the upper floors are fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Mods feel free to me this discussion to the galleria redevelopment thread... Done. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Mods feel free to me this discussion to the galleria redevelopment thread... I sincerely hope NM does NOT renovate their exterior. It's unique and charming. A fortress of luxury. As far as the interior goes, perhaps the ground level and men's basement level could use a face lift but the upper floors are fine. Yeah, the Neiman Marcus exterior is classic. Absolutely hope that doesn't change. Dillard's too. Refurbishing department store exteriors always ends in disaster. Usually it's stucco. Sometimes it's metal siding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Yeah, the Neiman Marcus exterior is classic. Absolutely hope that doesn't change. Dillard's too. Refurbishing department store exteriors always ends in disaster. Usually it's stucco. Sometimes it's metal siding.so keep the Dillards.. build a residential/hotel tower in the parking lot fronting Westheimer (with GFR at least along part of Westheimer and the corner of Post Oak), with a garage podium big enough to house the Dillards parking... then tear down the old Dillards garage to build an office tower on another garage podium. wa-la, you maintain the same classic Dillards exterior, serving as the central portion of a podium supporting a large mixed use/multi tower development. reinforce the roof of Dillards to support a central courtyard/plaza between the two towers and this development would be golden.that actually wouid be pretty damn cool and i like it better than demoing the Dillards for a brand new phase of a mixed use development. keep some of that classic architecture and maintain the large retail component to anchor the new development. does anyone have connections with someone who works high up at Dillards? lolthe only thing that could make a mixed use development at the Dillards site better would be that suggestion someone made of putting a tunnel under Post Oak between Dillards and theGalleria. or a big enclosed pedestrian bridge with stores along either side, between Dillards and Neimans. though you run into the same problems that plagued Galleria III, with the bridge stores being cut off from the rest of theGalleria shops by a large department store. maybe solve that by charging lower rents? though Dillards and Neimans arent exactly stores that i picture being linked by a bridge of stores with lower end retailers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Perhaps rebuilding the Dillard's parking garage as something else, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Perhaps rebuilding the Dillard's parking garage as something else, though.something else besides the fantasy office tower i proposed in its place? im down with whatever use for that Phase II tower, i just think it would be neat to have Dillards sandwiched between two towers and turn that whole property into a cohesive mixed use development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) So im sure a lot of yall have noticed how I enjoy scheming up fantasy developments when I'm bored.. (Lol, there should probably be an entire thread dedicated to my wild proposals and sketches) I had some free time last night to sketch out a Dillard's redevelopment.. (Keep in mind, im no architect, just someone with an affinity for urban development). I envisioned this with the Dillards facade being carried all the way around outside of the new podiums (minus the glass for the GFR), with some slender horizontal openings with that woven decorative screen stuff Dillards uses above the entrance on the upper floors for exhaust ventilation in the garages. Speaking of the decorative front entrance, I would recreate that on the east and west sides since the north side would be surrounded/not very visible from Westheimer anymore. The high rise in the top left is a hotel, the bottom left is a condo tower, and the two on the right are office buildings. View from Post Oak/West View from Westheimer/north This time the hotel high rise is on the bottom left, the condo tower on the bottom right, and the two office buildings on the top. Red - Trader Joes Green - 10 screen movie theater or other 30k sq ft entertainment Black- Apartments (levels 2-4) 5 levels of parking in the southern portion since garages are shorter than GFR & residential, to make all the podiums the same height/look as Dillards. This would be a pedestrian shopping/hang out promenade type of corridor, leading from Westheimer to the front entrance of Dillards, lined with shops, and balconies overhead for bars and restaurants looking out over the promenade from above. There could even be a retractable glass Galleria-esque roof above that they could open and close depending on the weather. Throw in a few water features and some vegetation of course.. Orange - Ground Floor Retail Pink - Second floor restaurants/bars Blue - Parking (part of level 2, and 3-5) Yellow - Dillard's And then of course on top of the podiums there would be a dog run along with the typical amenities for the condo tower, a pool/spa and cafe for the hotel high rise, and a large park with gardens and an area for dogs around the office towers, with a small section cordoned off for the office workers and the rest for the apartment residents. I originally wanted to put stuff on top of Dillards for all the people, but they would probably have to reengineer the roof for that, and I ended up with more room than expected on the other new podiums. Some greenery or something on top of Dillards would be nice though so the people in the towers around it aren't looking down at a bare roof. Edited November 11, 2014 by cloud713 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I wish I had the time to do stuff like this I would be doing so many drawings and stuff like this it would be ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BaderJF Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Are they still going to build the high rise? If yes, are there any renderings? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 The Mercer sure is a lovely little elevator shaft - isn't it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 http://swamplot.com/construction-set-to-begin-on-the-luxury-jewel-box-the-gallerias-chi-chi-pad-site/2014-11-20/ AS OF December 1, Galleria tenants and workers who park in the Blue Garage fronting Westheimer (labeled “Construction Zone” in the above site plan) will have to find another place to stash their rides. Explains an official “communiqué from the management office” of Unilev, operators of Galleria Tower II: “This relocation is to due to impending construction by Simon Properties of a free-standing retail structure that will be erected on the surface lot directly above the Blue Garage.” That structure will be going on the 14,000-sq.-ft. pad site in front of the portals to the Cheesecake Factory; it’ll be known colloquially as the “luxury jewel box.” Simon Properties intends the building to house up to 3 high-end retailers. Crafting the jewel box is expected to take 8 months. according to the Unilev communiqué. A separate notice from garage operator AmeriPark indicates that “parking ambassadors” deployed onsite for the first 10 days will convey exiled motorists to replacement parking structures. The LJB is part of a much largerGalleria revamp project announced last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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