HTOWN LIVE Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) "The City" turned down a deal? I can see how the city can enocourage development and even discourage other types of development. But how could the city turn down a development on private property? Or does the city own the Sakowitz building? When you talk about "The City" who are you referring to?The development was discouraged by the leadership of the City of Houston, Texas, USA. The property owner and the city are now going in a different direction that has to be better in order to top that. Edited November 9, 2014 by HTOWN LIVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 what!!!!! htown live, i have been one of your most loyal and consistent stalwarts upon this forum.  it's not like i believed any and everything that you have espoused upon during your discourse.  however, i like to believe that i am astute enough to know that without a doubt, that in a city a large as the city of houston.. circumstances are indeed likely to change upon a dime. however, what you have just espoused within these last three aforementioned post regarding these impromptu and yet totally discombobulated "the city" development changes... has me starting to doubt your discourse. nothing is making any sense!  trust me my good pal, we HAIFER'S appreciate the very fact that we harbor a stalwart within city government that may allow us a peep into city planning / discussions to some degree. however, please bare in mind that  you are not the only stalwart that is capable of offering intimate discerning information as per houston city government. therefore, should you extend a bit of generosity and present to us a bit of key insight.. then it shall need to be comprehensible... at least to some comforting degree. everyone knows about the long standing historical and yet empty sakowitz building.  we all would give most anything to see this gem of a building get redeveloped into a shining star. however, we are all indeed smart enough to know that whatever comes forth.. is going to be a somewhat costly / time consuming / often irritating patience grabbing puzzle, that shall require optimum planning / discourse. therefore, when you espouse upon the old sakowitz building being discussed as a bloomingdales / ritz carlton, sounds like huge joke!  what!!!  are you hereby serious!!! buddy, you shall now want to carefully explain yourself here... your credibility moving forward.. is now at stake.  2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTOWN LIVE Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 what!!!!! htown live, i have been one of your most loyal and consistent stalwarts upon this forum. it's not like i believed any and everything that you have espoused upon during your discourse. however, i like to believe that i am astute enough to know that without a doubt, that in a city a large as the city of houston.. circumstances are indeed likely to change upon a dime. however, what you have just espoused within these last three aforementioned post regarding these impromptu and yet totally discombobulated "the city" development changes... has me starting to doubt your discourse. nothing is making any sense! trust me my good pal, we HAIFER'S appreciate the very fact that we harbor a stalwart within city government that may allow us a peep into city planning / discussions to some degree. however, please bare in mind that you are not the only stalwart that is capable of offering intimate discerning information as per houston city government. therefore, should you extend a bit of generosity and present to us a bit of key insight.. then it shall need to be comprehensible... at least to some comforting degree. everyone knows about the long standing historical and yet empty sakowitz building. we all would give most anything to see this gem of a building get redeveloped into a shining star. however, we are all indeed smart enough to know that whatever comes forth.. is going to be a somewhat costly / time consuming / often irritating patience grabbing puzzle, that shall require optimum planning / discourse. therefore, when you espouse upon the old sakowitz building being discussed as a bloomingdales / ritz carlton, sounds like huge joke! what!!! are you hereby serious!!! buddy, you shall now want to carefully explain yourself here... your credibility moving forward.. is now at stake. Wow, what nonsense. My dear student, why don't you call the mayor's office for confirmation and report back to us. That will help you understand. Class dismissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I agree it's back-peddlIng, they should have gone with the plan (even if it was with newbies). Houston definitely could have used the downtown retail and the hotel rooms. But it's not, at least not at 1111 Main Street. The city and the property owner no longer want it, saying they have something better they're putting together. We'll see.Houston already has the other big stores except Bloomingdale's, so it would take Harrods, Selfridges or Galeries Lafayette to top that. Does Houston have the leadership, talent and power to make that happen? We'll soon see.htown live, pal i love you.. but this is all so very confusing to me.  if our illustrious city government cannot even come together to acquire a bloomingdales brand upon such a barron retail desert such as downtown houston.. then how on earth could you possibly think that downtown houston could entertain such retail powerhouses such as a HARRODS vs SELFRIDGES?  have you ever shopped at a GALERIES LAFAYETTE?  well, i have many times at the dubai mall in dubai, uae.  this particular french department store often reminds me of a more glamorous macy's.  i have eaten at the RED BOX.  this is the very nice little cafe / bistro located inside the larger GALERIES LAFAYETTE.   we shall learn to become a bit more realistic here my god pal.  if houston cannot even seem to lure a VIRGIN MEGASTORE.. i would highly doubt that a HARROD'S , SELFRIDGES, or even a GALORIES LAFAYETTE, shall want to entertain downtown houston at this more wonderful time during our current construction boom.  those particular brands, are EXTREMELY international.  to date they seem to only cater to the very wealthy vs european consumer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 They have a cute stand alone store on San Felipe... Hmm - for whatever reason, their ads in the airline magazines don't list it. And the same sentiment goes for those Hawaiian jewelers, Na'Hoku. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 The Roche Bobois store is just around the corner from my office. The Astoria sales office has been there lately. It has 'European looking' furniture. Not my cup of tea. I didn't realize they were a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 htown live, pal i love you.. but this is all so very confusing to me. if our illustrious city government cannot even come together to acquire a bloomingdales brand upon such a barron retail desert such as downtown houston.. then how on earth could you possibly think that downtown houston could entertain such retail powerhouses such as a HARRODS vs SELFRIDGES? have you ever shopped at a GALERIES LAFAYETTE? well, i have many times at the dubai mall in dubai, uae. this particular french department store often reminds me of a more glamorous macy's. i have eaten at the RED BOX. this is the very nice little cafe / bistro located inside the larger GALERIES LAFAYETTE. we shall learn to become a bit more realistic here my god pal. if houston cannot even seem to lure a VIRGIN MEGASTORE.. i would highly doubt that a HARROD'S , SELFRIDGES, or even a GALORIES LAFAYETTE, shall want to entertain downtown houston at this more wonderful time during our current construction boom. those particular brands, are EXTREMELY international. to date they seem to only cater to the very wealthy vs european consumer.Couldn't agree more!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Anyone else think htownlive is full of it? He's going back on all of the crap that everyone started arguing about with him and swistig. I'd like to hear other people's opinion of this who are also "in the know" 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTOWN LIVE Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) Couldn't agree more!!!Lol. I'm being facetious. My sentiments exactly...if they're this inept and messed this up, there's no help for them or world class downtown retail. Many of us were shocked at the meeting. One of the mayor's assistants produced a new plan and convinced the mayor and the property owner and developer to hold off on the Bloomingdale's/Ritz Carlton for 1111 Main Street in favor of a proposal with a different anchor and locations that he's coordinating.That effectively killed the deal. I personally asked the property owner and developer, why? Their response was they're going to give the assistant until the end of the year to put it all together.Whatever he's doing won't top Bloomingdale's/Ritz Carlton, so backwards Houston leadership strikes again. Whatever they come up with at the end of the year will probably be inferior to the Bloomingdale's/Ritz Carlton plan. Edited November 9, 2014 by HTOWN LIVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryDierker Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Anyone else think htownlive is full of it? He's going back on all of the crap that everyone started arguing about with him and swistig. I'd like to hear other people's opinion of this who are also "in the know"Â i don't know much, but i know your first sentence is spot on. I've known it since the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTOWN LIVE Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) i don't know much, but i know your first sentence is spot on. I've known it since the beginning.I disagree, I think HTOWN LIVE is spot on...always is.Those "in the know, know." Those who don't know, resort to talking/starting. They should do so on an appropriate site and thread for gossip. This site is for professionals and architecture enthusiasts...I thought? Edited November 10, 2014 by Subdude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I disagree, I think HTOWN LIVE is spot on...always is.Those "in the know, know." Those who don't know, resort to talking/starting. They should do so on an appropriate site and thread for gossip. This site is for professionals and architecture enthusiasts...I thought?You think you, yourself, is spot on?If this doesn't confirm Htown live as someone's second bull account I don't know what will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) ok look, as a citizen of our fair city of houston.. the future development as per downtown houston CBD is highly important to me.  heck, i even live downtown houston.  therefore, i and amongst other citizens of our great city.. only long for it to become the very best that it can become.  we want to impress our visitors, we want to accept / embrace the very highest standards of living possible within this growing CBD.  therefore, this is the ONLY reason that i openly entertain the insight being brought forth as per htown live.  i respect him as one our our HAIF stalwarts.  although, i am not certain as to what city wide position that he is hereby responsible for... i want him to know that i can easily respect him as a professional as well. i am not here to lambast htown live.  i am not here to discredit his insight vs perspectives.  for as i have espoused beforehand... i am astute enough to know just how volatile and inconsistent this particular mode of work can be dealing with city government vs city wide planning... it can be utterly career ending to some.  therefore, htown live, please do not feel as though we are coming down hard upon you as person.  you are hereby a HAIF member (you are one of us) we do so respect you.  all that we are hereby asking in return.. is for you to deliver comprehensible insight, so that we may learn and move forward as per some sensible knowledge as to where we are headed upon the CBD / downtown vicinity. maybe, you should have started off explaining to us, that there was a meeting that you were hereby involved in, that led to this strange inconsistent upheaval of prior planning.  this approach may have harbored a bit more sense as opposed to just throwing out discombobulated rhetoric regarding the old sakowitz building.  (it just did / does not make any sense) we are all highly abreast to the simple fact that you are not at liberty to openly display all intimate details of your high level city government meetings.  this we do indeed understand.  however, what you can deliver to us... just make it comprehensible.. this is all that we are asking.    Edited November 10, 2014 by monarch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 we shall learn to become a bit more realistic here my god pal.  if houston cannot even seem to lure a VIRGIN MEGASTORE.. i would highly doubt that a HARROD'S , SELFRIDGES, or even a GALORIES LAFAYETTE, shall want to entertain downtown houston at this more wonderful time during our current construction boom.  those particular brands, are EXTREMELY international.  to date they seem to only cater to the very wealthy vs european consumer.  Virgin Megastore is overhyped. In this day and age when MP3's can be purchased from a computer and Kindles are everywhere, a gigantic movie, record and book store is rapidly becoming obsolete. Better to have Virgin Atlantic or Virgin America touching down at Intercontinental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Virgin Megastore is overhyped. In this day and age when MP3's can be purchased from a computer and Kindles are everywhere, a gigantic movie, record and book store is rapidly becoming obsolete. Better to have Virgin Atlantic or Virgin America touching down at Intercontinental.toxtethogrady, god only knows that i love you my pal. Â however, virgin megastore being overhyped is certainly your opinion.. but it's certainly not a fact! Â virgin megastore, is one of the very first places that i look forward to visiting every time i arrive in dubai, uae. Â the store at the dubai mall is indeed quite cool.. but the best store in dubai, is at the mall of the emirates. Â everyone seems to be jammed packed in that store. Â it's incredible, and an absolute blast. those stores, seem to harbor any and everything! Â Â as soon as i arrive back to dubai, uae... i shall definitely be headed there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2015/03/new-owner-hits-pause-on-uptown-parks-1b.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I knew that was too good to be true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 It makes sense that Edens would want to "evaluate" the options in the pipeline. Having a more national portfolio, it makes sense that Edens might invest elsewhere if they have a chance of a higher return on investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mab Posted July 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Probably old renderings    Edited July 3, 2015 by Urbannizer 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Hard to tell.. It seems to show the mid rise apartments in the back corner that were changed from that original high rise tower, so they could be "recent", but are they still moving forward with the redevelopment plans since the REIT got bought out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 ^^^ i don't rightly know just how old or even how new these renderings / concepts are, but i shall state this.... that hotel portion is simply incredible! Â perfect orientation, brilliant design, beautiful scale, the absolute wow factor, you name it. Â i mean just really look at this, these renders just cannot be that old. Â these designs are state of the art and ultra modern. Â simply brilliant architecture! Â additionally, that hotel just has to be our long awaited W..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Yeah.. no way these renderings are older than an year or so.. I just checked again and that residential mid rise in the northwest corner is definitely the same one they changed the residential tower to be (they even announced a name and stuff for the mid rise I believe). Hopefully they still plan on doing this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 The renderings may be current if the new owners decide to continue with the same concept/design.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 looks like decent compromise. About half of the original complex looks like will be spared, but the problem im still seeing is that they still feel very detached from the rest of the master plan. I just don't get it. But maybe that can get taken care off with more phases down the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 That office tower though... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 The new buildings look great indivually, however it just doesn't look cohesive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchCity Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 That office tower though...The first rendering makes the office tower look huge! Probably a bit ambitious though... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 What is the woman in the yellow dress with the grey shawl doing? Riding a banana, hoverboard or desecracting a piece of art? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 What is the woman in the yellow dress with the grey shawl doing? Riding a banana, hoverboard or desecracting a piece of art?Excellent question. Separately, that first rendering makes the office tower look very tall. Would be quite an edifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 actually, that hotel is simply unbelievable! Â talk about massive. Â it looks as though it could be at least 42 floors.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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