GreenStreet: Mixed-Use Development At 1201 Fannin St.

[kylejack]

anyone with any sense would walk to a closer theater that is as good or better than the alternative, regardless of the bum situation.  when i lived in chicago and new york, i went to the closest grocery store.  i didn't go to the one farther out of the way through the ghetto (especially if I had a female with me).  this is a pretty unremarkable concept.  i'm not sure why people are giving 102IAH a hard time about using common sense.  (although it is fairly comical that most of them don't live downtown.)

 

I live downtown, arroddii does, and samagon lives pretty close if I recall correctly.

[102IAHexpress]

Good news on Skybar. I hadn't realized it was that far along. I've known about Comcast Sportsnet Studios, but is the TV studios a net positive for HP? Isn't that just less available square feet for ground level retail? Or is this an indication of what's really to come? more comercial space leased at the expense of retail at HP?

[kylejack]

Good news on Skybar. I hadn't realized it was that far along. I've known about Comcast Sportsnet Studios, but is the TV studios a net positive for HP? Isn't that just less available square feet for ground level retail? Or is this an indication of what's really to come? more comercial space leased at the expense of retail at HP?

 

"Available square feet for ground level retail" is another way of saying unleased space. So yeah, I would say the studio and NRG are a net positive for a development that was mostly unleased and struggling.

[102IAHexpress]

Since it's fun to play arm chair real estate developer, what is your theory as to why HP has not reached its full retail potential?

[kylejack]

I think the internal outdoor mall thing was a mistake, and it should have faced outward with more than typical sidewalk space to be used for restaurant patios and etc. It feels unnatural to go through it on the ground level, because walking straight through is jaywalking.

Edited February 26, 2013 by kylejack

[Pleak]

anyone with any sense would walk to a closer theater that is as good or better than the alternative, regardless of the bum situation.  when i lived in chicago and new york, i went to the closest grocery store.  i didn't go to the one farther out of the way through the ghetto (especially if I had a female with me).  this is a pretty unremarkable concept.  i'm not sure why people are giving 102IAH a hard time about using common sense.  (although it is fairly comical that most of them don't live downtown.)

 

Why is it comical that most don't live downtown?   The vast majority of downtown's population is work-related.  So what.   We know how to walk past a bum without crying about it.  Been doing it for years.     Job I have now is in Galleria.  Guess what?   There's bums here too.

 

And downtown Houston is definately not the ghetto.   Especially not now.  It's most sketchy areas pale to what it was 15-20 years ago.      Back when the Rice Lofts was a nice covered area for all the bums to piss.   That's the time/place you might be wise not to take your other on a midnight stroll.

[Pleak]

I ogle my fair share (perhaps more than my fair share) of good looking women, but I blame them for looking good, and they hopefully don't take it as harassment.

 

 

Way to blame the victim.  

[102IAHexpress]

anyone with any sense would walk to a closer theater that is as good or better than the alternative, regardless of the bum situation.  when i lived in chicago and new york, i went to the closest grocery store.  i didn't go to the one farther out of the way through the ghetto (especially if I had a female with me).  this is a pretty unremarkable concept.  i'm not sure why people are giving 102IAH a hard time about using common sense.  (although it is fairly comical that most of them don't live downtown.)

 

It's also comical that i have been to HP more times in the last month than most of the posters have gone in the last year. Talk about some whining babys.

[samagon]

Who said my fiance wants to help the bums outside of work? Did i say that? She could lose her licence for that. The whole point is that we don't want to help the bums outside the proper channels. We just want to go on our merry way.  She doesn't want to talk to them anymore than i do.

 

I sit corrected, and apologize. 

 

I just find it to be not that big of a deal to say no, or ignore them, and I guess I have a hard time grasping at why others would, that doesn't mean your opinion is worth less than mine, just that I don't understand it.

 

I live downtown, arroddii does, and samagon lives pretty close if I recall correctly.

 

I'm about 3 miles east, but I spend most evenings riding my bicycle through downtown after everyone leaves work.

 

It's also comical that i have been to HP more times in the last month than most of the posters have gone in the last year. Talk about some whining babys.

 

 

whining babies? you're the one that's afraid of bums 

[kylejack]

It's also comical that i have been to HP more times in the last month than most of the posters have gone in the last year. Talk about some whining babys.

You said there were no new tenants. You weren't sure if Yao had left yet. Hmm.

[htownproud]

you are correct that most of downtown is not a ghetto, but i hope you get my point (and what I think was 102IAH's point, although I don't want to put words in his mouth).  why would you walk farther, while be accosted more, just to go to worse theater.  it makes no sense. 

 

and for what it's worth, dealing with bums during the business day on crowded streets is not quite the same as walking your date home at midnight on near vacant downtown streets. . . .

 

 

[Pleak]

you are correct that most of downtown is not a ghetto, but i hope you get my point (and what I think was 102IAH's point, although I don't want to put words in his mouth).  why would you walk farther, while be accosted more, just to go to worse theater.  it makes no sense. 

 

 

Understand your point - although who knows if this second unbuilt theater is actually worse?  That would be kind of hard to determine since no one actually appears to know where exactly it's going, etc, - so in a completely different way - it makes no sense

 

 

and for what it's worth, dealing with bums during the business day on crowded streets is not quite the same as walking your date home at midnight on near vacant downtown streets. . . .

 

Agreed.  But my "dealings" with bums comes from working many busy seasons downtown which last about 3-4 months and would require me to stay past when the last Park n Ride buses left.  Which if I recall is 9 pm.   So being the cheapskate that I am,  I would park in the boondocks to get the $2 parking lots (told you this was a while back - I think all of these are condos now) and hoof it in.  It was at least our good ol reliable measure of 6 blocks = 1/2 mile past of plenty of bums.    In the dark.....   Ooooh,  scary......   

 

Not really.    You leave them alone - they leave you alone.    Bums are one of HAIF's biggest red herrings.  

[infinite_jim]

I hope people so critical of bums aka "strangers" would find themselves without sanity, money, food, or a place to sleep.

[ClutchCity]

I hope people so critical of bums aka "strangers" would find themselves without sanity, money, food, or a place to sleep.

 

I had a hobo one time let me know I was in a tow-away zone downtown and showed me where I could park (It was one of my first times driving downtown). They aren't all bad. I understand some are mentally unstable, but others just seem very unlucky.

[LarryDierker]

When I sense a bum approaching, i ask them for change.

[scarface]

When I sense a bum approaching, i ask them for change.

 

I've done that too. LOL

[infinite_jim]

I hope people so critical of bums aka "strangers" would find themselves without sanity, money, food, or a place to sleep.

 

Whew! I was in a bad mood! 

 

Article about panhandling and related court decisions.

 

Because the restrictions on soliciting never seem to apply to teen-agers in bikini tops waving car-wash signs. Or to campaign canvassers seeking petition signatures to get political candidates on the ballot. Or to firemen passing the boot for a local charity. Somehow it’s only the homeless who aren’t supposed to pester anybody.

[lockmat]

Well, there is the "restaurant row" phenomenon, but I have never seen any research suggesting that the same phenomenon applies to movie theaters. For those who have never heard of "restaurant rows", studies show that one restaurant in an area may struggle, but as more restaurants open in the same area, that area becomes known for having several restaurant choices. People who are unsure exactly what they want to eat will tend to drive to the "restaurant row", confident that at least one of the many choices will satisfy them. For instance, I may drive to Washington Avenue, or Rice Village without having a particular place in mind, and decide where to eat once I get there.

Again, I am unsure if this applies to movie theatres. It might. That could help explain multiplexes.

This is a cool concept. I went to Europe long ago not knowing much but thinking it had great things to see. I would find out once I arrived. I like living closer in town not because I know everything I could do but because of the possibilities.

I'm not saying we should just throw boogers at a wall and watch them stick. Let's throw gum drops, but still, let's throw.

I know there is already plenty to do in and around the loop, but I honestly think suburbeans are ignorant for the most part. Maybe the GHBCB should also look at advertising to the outer locals.

[musicman]

Suburbeans are ignorant? hmmmmm

[lockmat]

Suburbeans are ignorant? hmmmmm

Ignorant about what is available inside the loop.

[musicman]

What is a suburbean?

[livincinco]

Ignorant about what is available inside the loop.

Don't care is probably more accurate.

[totheskies]

What is a suburbean?

 

Like a soya bean, but they grow on the outer fringes of the garden patch. 

[musicman]

Not really. You leave them alone - they leave you alone. Bums are one of HAIF's biggest red herrings.

One of those bums did thousands of dollars in damage tonight. Businesses on franklin, 200 to 400 travis main,etc. Customers chased him till police got there. Tons of broken windows

[Mab]

http://4april2013.com/

 

This website is showing that on April 4th the new property managers are showing their new plans to Houston Pavilions!! They say its includes a name change and a new way to experience Downtown! sounds really exciting!

[arrodiii]

What does this all mean??????????????

[Nole23]

hmmm interesting. I might see if I can attend the event....

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/blog/breaking-ground/2013/03/houston-pavilions-to-get-a-new-name.html

Edited March 5, 2013 by Nole23

[asubrt]

A new name? That's interesting. I guess the new owners are really going to start putting their mark on the place. Hopefully it's some good news and not just some minor aesthetic upgrades or something.

[august948]

Don't care is probably more accurate.

That's just as sad as all the innerloopers who think it's a desert outside 610.

[Nate99]

http://4april2013.com/

 

This website is showing that on April 4th the new property managers are showing their new plans to Houston Pavilions!! They say its includes a name change and a new way to experience Downtown! sounds really exciting!

 

 

What does this all mean??????????????

 

More questions than exclamations, but plenty of each.