University of Houston Downtown Campus Developments

[Houston19514]

Same here. My BS is from UHD while my BBA and MBA are not. This does not detract from the fact that anyone who knows anything should be able to tell them apart.

I smell ulterior motives.

What would be the ulterior motives?

[TexasVines]

Why do you care? Doesn't your random piece of paper say Sam Houston State or such? Like I said, if you're confused... that tells me you didn't do your homework.

Perhaps UH Central should change their name to...

Party Central University of South East Houston State.

I care because I consider higher education important for the future of Texas and Houston and I was born in Houston and raised there so I will always be concerned and have an opinion on anything that goes on in Houston that I feel is important to the future of Houston

and I keep up with Higher Ed a great deal after having been a student at 4 state universities in Texas and 3 community colleges and working for yet another state university and seeing the difference that comes from various schools depending on community and alumni involvement and having interacted (briefly) with the idiot royce west and THECB

I feel it is important for UH to become a top world university and having UH confused by even a few people with an open enrollment school will not aid that

[LTAWACS]

*sigh*

[KinkaidAlum]

I like Cullen State University because it honors the Cullen family. They were instrumental in helping the original UH grow. It now seems that UH-D will take over the main role of the old UH; namely to be the place for first generations to earn a degree. It's not a bad thing that the original UH is transforming into something different these days and it's not a bad thing to realize that UH-D has become the new "working man's U."

However, if Cullen State isn't chosen, how about The University of Downtown Houston? Or maybe Central Houston Univeristy? Let's go Chu!

[Trae]

I like Cullen State University much better than Houston Metropolitan University now that I think about it. Sounds much more "university-like".

Edit: I must say though, having "University of Southeast Texas" would make it seem more regional. I would like either Cullen State University of University of Southeast Texas. Both are good.

Edited December 20, 2008 by Trae

[Highway6]

I agree.. Like Cullen.

Naming it after Cullen or any other prominent Houstonian adds a small degree of sophistication not found in bi-directional or Houston _anything_

[jmancuso]

you forget that a LARGE number of first time college students especially at a school like UHD DO NOT have any idea about colleges or universities and neither do their parents because many of them probably never went to college

having attended UH, UHD, and UHCL (got degrees from latter two) any confusion as to the ambiguity of these colleges is quickly dispelled during the application process.

I feel it is important for UH to become a top world university and having UH confused by even a few people with an open enrollment school will not aid that

if UH is has obstacles in becoming a top university, it will be because of it's own merits, not because of some open enrollment school with a similar name.

[musicman]

having attended UH, UHD, and UHCL (got degrees from latter two) any confusion as to the ambiguity of these colleges is quickly dispelled during the application process.

one would think. i work with someone that has 2 masters from UHCL and calls the main campus the downtown campus.

[DubCee]

If these universities are SO independent then why is it that I owed "UHD" $50 from a previous semester, they put a hold on my UH-Central registration?

[FalconRanch1]

If these universities are SO independent then why is it that I owed "UHD" $50 from a previous semester, they put a hold on my UH-Central registration?

Well since you owed money you probably had a "Hold" on your account. Its like saying, I went to UT and transferred to A&M but forgot to pay a certain fee while at UT, when you apply to A&M and you send in all your official transcripts and all that 'Hold" is going to remain on your Official transcripts regardless of where you go, thus appearing when you registered at UH-Main.

[LTAWACS]

one would think. i work with someone that has 2 masters from UHCL and calls the main campus the downtown campus.

Liberal arts don't count.

[musicman]

Liberal arts don't count.

his are science related.

[LTAWACS]

his are science related.

Embarrassing. It sounds like UHCL should change their name so as not to tarnish the image of Central...

[kylejack]

Just call it Poor Man's UH, that should satiate the whiny bastards at UH.

[totheskies]

Liberal arts don't count.

I guess we can argue this later, but I worked just as hard for my Liberal Arts education as you did for whatever the f*ck you have. I have taught at UHD, and San Jacinto College, and maintain a private voice studio. I work at UofH main. I have sang professionally in the Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Little Rock, New Orleans, and Kansas City metropolitan areas, and have even sang as a cantor for Ely Cathedral in England. Wish I could say there's more, but hey I'm only 26. Not bad for a degree that "doesn't count". Talk about your own education, but don't make generalities about someone else.

[LTAWACS]

I guess we can argue this later, but I worked just as hard for my Liberal Arts education as you did for whatever the f*ck you have. I have taught at UHD, and San Jacinto College, and maintain a private voice studio. I work at UofH main. I have sang professionally in the Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Little Rock, New Orleans, and Kansas City metropolitan areas, and have even sang as a cantor for Ely Cathedral in England. Wish I could say there's more, but hey I'm only 26. Not bad for a degree that "doesn't count". Talk about your own education, but don't make generalities about someone else.

Curious. Clam down.

[jmancuso]

Liberal arts don't count.

says who?

[LTAWACS]

says who?

Please don't get me started right now... I've had a few drinks.

Either way... I'm not sure about Cullen U... interesting though...

[totheskies]

Please don't get me started right now... I've had a few drinks.

Either way... I'm not sure about Cullen U... interesting though...

you probably need a few more.

But Liberal Arts counts just as much as anything else. It ain't my fault if there are lots of lib. arts grads that are slackers... I'm not one of them. And no one complains about the validity of my degree when I'm spending my money, and I wasn't complaining when I walked off stage last night with an extra $750 in my pocket. Not bad for 45 mins worth of work.

[strickn]

I like Cullen State University because it honors the Cullen family. They were instrumental in helping the original UH grow. It now seems that UH-D will take over the main role of the old UH; namely to be the place for first generations to earn a degree. It's not a bad thing that the original UH is transforming into something different these days and it's not a bad thing to realize that UH-D has become the new "working man's U."

However, if Cullen State isn't chosen, how about The University of Downtown Houston? Or maybe Central Houston Univeristy? Let's go Chu!

Just want to reiterate this beautiful post.

This is quite a bit like the role of Houston itself. I just don't want people to get in a rush to revamp Houston, UH-like, into a 'mature' city a la the classic major cities of the country. Because when our city becomes as frozen for the working man as the East and West Coast costlies are, then the fluidity is just gone for good.

[Hallmars]

and I keep up with Higher Ed a great deal after having been a student at 4 state universities in Texas and 3 community colleges

That says plenty. I'll be sure to keep this in mind if I ever make my way back to this thread.

I feel it is important for UH to become a top world university and having UH confused by even a few people with an open enrollment school will not aid that

Good luck. For that UH will first need to move out of Darfur- no one in their right mind makes UH their first choice. No one. And I know PLENTY of students from all social circles and echelons [from the classical singers, to engineers. From the architects to law school grads (I think you might have seen his statue around the Law Center ). The sorrorities, frats, etc.] UH is the safety school when even Sam Houston rejects you, and you forget that Texas State has a kick ass river and it's close enough to Austin, San Antonio, and Georgetown.

Bauer School of Business, Hilton School of Hotel Management, and the UH Law Center stand by themselves in spite of the rest of UH, not because of it. Lets just be honest and make that distinction.

As far as UHD staying as UH-something, or declaring independence via a name: They stand to benefit more than UH ever will, especially once they do away with open admission. Just wait and see.

And lets be honest about this as well: The only names that really matter are the Ivy's. If all you have is a BS/BA, zero to nil experience, and you're applying somewhere outside the state of where you got your diploma UT will be the same as UH. And this holds true even at the graduate level: UTLaw/UHLaw vs. a Georgetown, Cornell, Columbia, etc.? Good luck. At least STCL has the best trial advocacy program in the nation.

And to anyone that's salivating at the opportunity to tear my post appart: go for it. There are obviously quite a few M.Ed. grads and USN&WR insiders in this thread that know the exact national and international ranking of every school in Texas, so I really don't stand a chance.

[CoolBuddy06]

I guess we can argue this later, but I worked just as hard for my Liberal Arts education as you did for whatever the f*ck you have. I have taught at UHD, and San Jacinto College, and maintain a private voice studio. I work at UofH main. I have sang professionally in the Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Little Rock, New Orleans, and Kansas City metropolitan areas, and have even sang as a cantor for Ely Cathedral in England. Wish I could say there's more, but hey I'm only 26. Not bad for a degree that "doesn't count". Talk about your own education, but don't make generalities about someone else.

Just curious - why is 'Arts' prefixed with 'Liberal'? Is it liberal as in Conservatives' poison or what? I think courses like music, dance, and painting should be plain 'Arts'; philosophy & co may be labelled liberal.

Back to topic. Houston City University still sounds good to me, or City University of Houston.

[RedScare]

Just curious - why is 'Arts' prefixed with 'Liberal'? Is it liberal as in Conservatives' poison or what? I think courses like music, dance, and painting should be plain 'Arts'; philosophy & co may be labelled liberal.

Hopefully, that question was a joke.

The Seven Liberal Arts

[CoolBuddy06]

Hopefully, that question was a joke.

The Seven Liberal Arts

Though I felt stupid, it wasn't a joke. I just don't know why and how liberal got tagged on. I will read the article you linked later. There's no end to learning.

[LTAWACS]

you probably need a few more.

But Liberal Arts counts just as much as anything else. It ain't my fault if there are lots of lib. arts grads that are slackers... I'm not one of them. And no one complains about the validity of my degree when I'm spending my money, and I wasn't complaining when I walked off stage last night with an extra $750 in my pocket. Not bad for 45 mins worth of work.

After reading thisI probably do... I do tend to disagree with you on your main points however. We shall leave that for another thread.

BOT, I am uneasy about this whole mess... Cullen sounds good... I *guess*... I wonder what/when/how UHD will change their strategy about open enrollment...

And just FYI, just because it's open enrollment doesn't mean you cannot get kicked out... some girl in a math class I took (Ring Algebras) was kicked out for cheating on a test... test 1 for that matter... ugh.

[NenaE]

So.....No word on the streets as to what the Downtown college name is, yet?

As a side note...While we are talking about Liberal Arts vs Other degrees...I find it interesting what an architect has to know to graduate, he has to have an understanding of Fine Arts (Liberal Arts), as well as the Engineering/ Technological side of things.

[totheskies]

So.....No word on the streets as to what the Downtown college name is, yet?

As a side note...While we are talking about Liberal Arts vs Other degrees...I find it interesting what an architect has to know to graduate, he has to have an understanding of Fine Arts (Liberal Arts), as well as the Engineering/ Technological side of things.

There are lots of things that are wrong with the educational system (just ask anyone that just lost a job in the manufacturing sector), but Liberal Arts education is essential for society as a whole, just like engineering and business degrees are essential. Your average artist may make much less money than a businessman or engineer, but what they do causes people to think differently about their daily lives, and expand their understanding. I'm proud of my education in the liberal arts, and the life that I am making for myself.

The topic at hand... I hope they go with Houston City University.

[FordGuyHTX]

The University of Houston

Edited January 15, 2009 by FordGuyHTX

[TexasVines]

Gulf Coast State University

South Texas State University

South Texas University

Southeast Texas State University

University of South Texas

University of Southeast Texas

Seguin State University

Southeastern Texas University

Texas Gulf Coast State University

Texas Southeast University

every one of those names is just stupid....I never met anyone in my life or living in Houston that ever considered Houston to be south Texas......most in San Antonio think it is only on the cusp of South Texas and that is only because it is to the direct north of what IS south Texas.....most people I ever met considered Houston to be Houston, but if they gave it a directional location it was more EAST than anything though Houston is not really in what people consider east Texas as well especially those behind the pine curtain IN east Texas

Seguin State.....what total idiot came up with that especially since there is a TOWN CALLED SEGUIN that is nowhere near Houston and Seguin has a university in it.....talk about STUPID....and it has been studied time and again that bidirectional named schools are less respected which makes a number of those other names worthless.....then you add in the CLEAR confusion with South Texas College of law and again MANY of those names are stupid and if I was STCL I would be considering cranking up some of those lawyers to prevent the false association and I hope they do...which leaves the Gulf Coast choices and the inclusion of State in them makes them wordy and stupid as well

Houston Metro was the best too bad some ignorant fool with a complete lack of understanding of the total LACK of "gravitas" that UHD holds stood in the way of that

[JLWM8609]

(2) Those who opposed the name change opposed it because they value the confusion with UH;

The survey that came to that particular conclusion was flawed. The person who owns the company that did the survey actually has some ties to UH, and of course would bring those findings in favor of those who want the name change, namely Max Castillo and the UH Board of Regents. There are a minority of students that value the confusion with UH, bunch of posers, they need to be dunked into Buffalo Bayou. I can tell you as a UHD student that I oppose the name change, NOT because I value any perceived confusion with UH, I make it a point to tell people that I go to the University of Houston-Downtown when asked where I attend school. I oppose the name change because it's a long standing, established name. Employers and grad schools know what the University of Houston-Downtown is, having been around for 35 years. If it truly were a confusion issue, wouldn't the logical thing be to also change the names of UH-Clear Lake, and UH-Victoria? You may say they're too far away to warrant confusion, but they still have "UH" in their names, which is the main point being pushed by those in favor of the name change.

I don't like the crop of new names at all, "Texas Southeast University" could cause confusion with TSU (which the UH system probably wouldn't like). South Texas just sounds like a regression, as UHD was called South Texas College prior to 1974. Might as well sell the name to the highest bidder, and welcome folks to "Centerpoint Energy University."