houston-development Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 If the Gaylord hospitality company was in charge of this project you could pretty much garuntee that it would be a success. and if my aunt edna had balls, i garuntee (sic) he would be called uncle ed. sorry, couldnt resist. tgif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 What would be really cool is if somehow the light rail expansion could go right through the dome. I always thought that the dome would make a perfect "Grand Central" for Houstons light rail....the problem being that the dome isn't central. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestofan Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I was thinking that a football stadium would be the best use of the Astrodome. Probably makes fiscal sense, too. Well said. Bring in the 1836! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 How would the light rail expansion go through the dome? It isn't even near any of the new lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ V Lawrence Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5785786.htmlEntrepreneurs seeking to reinvent the Astrodome as an upscale convention hotel have reached a proposed lease agreement with the Harris County Sports and Convention Corp., county officials said today.But before the deal can become a reality, the sports corporation will enter into what are expected to be thorny negotiations with the Houston Texans and the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo over whether the convention hotel would violate their rights."We expect that when the rodeo gets this, they will have questions, and there will be negotiating and compromising," said County Attorney Mike Stafford.The proposed lease was expected months ago, but it took the sports corporation longer than expected to work out details because the county attorney's office has been reviewing it carefully, Stafford said."We were making sure that (Reliant Park's primary) tenants' rights were protected or observed," he said.The Texans and the rodeo have opposed the 1,300-room, $450 million Dome convention hotel, saying it would hurt their operations and siphon off revenue.Commissioners Court will have final whether the convention hotel goes forward.In other words, it looks like talks are ongoing. Slow, but ongoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 In the end, the Texans and the HLSR are just building up some really bad PR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieseldrvr Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 In the end, the Texans and the HLSR are just building up some really bad PR.No, in the end, they are saving their revenue's, one of which is a non profit who provides far more than any hotel would provide to Houston. They are looking out for their LEGAL contracts which are thankfully protected by law, not just the whims of people wanting to give away county owned land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyEvilTwin Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 No, in the end, they are saving their revenue's, one of which is a non profit who provides far more than any hotel would provide to Houston. They are looking out for their LEGAL contracts which are thankfully protected by law, not just the whims of people wanting to give away county owned land.Yours and Kinkaidalum's comments aren't mutually exclusive. In protecting their rights, they could still be doing themselves a disservice, PR-wise. People around here love their Texans and the Rodeo, but like it or not some love the Dome even more. Woe be unto he who brings the wrecking ball to Judge Hofheinz's baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 No, in the end, they are saving their revenue's, one of which is a non profit who provides far more than any hotel would provide to Houston. They are looking out for their LEGAL contracts which are thankfully protected by law, not just the whims of people wanting to give away county owned land.Yes, they are saving their revenues. Don't you think the Texans and McNair have enough of those? And, while the Rodeo is a GREAT event and has benefitted the city, it is assinine to say those benefits would outstrip those of a mega convention hotel. Yes, scholarship money is raised and people are entertained and some out of town visitors come to see it but that PALES in comparison to what a facility like the proposed hotel could bring to Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wernicke Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 I think it is funny how worked-up people seem to get about the convention hotel... HLSR and Texans only have events going on for what, less than 2 months total a year? We are going to "protect" those 2 months by prohibiting the development of a $450 million convention hotel in the beloved Astrodome? As far as cost-benefits go, this seems like a no-brainer to me (although I am still skeptical this sort of convention hotel would be totally successful). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happytown Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 I think it is funny how worked-up people seem to get about the convention hotel... HLSR and Texans only have events going on for what, less than 2 months total a year? We are going to "protect" those 2 months by prohibiting the development of a $450 million convention hotel in the beloved Astrodome? As far as cost-benefits go, this seems like a no-brainer to me (although I am still skeptical this sort of convention hotel would be totally successful).In my opinion there is a lot of confusion about this convention hotel project. The Rodeo and the Texans are not against it. What they are against is the attempt to sneak an amusement park in along with the hotel. I have been unable to determine whether the original proposal to the county was intended to be for a hotel only, or whether the poposal got changed. But at this point there doesn't seem to be a proposal on the table for a CONVENTION HOTEL ONLY. Maybe the hotel people were trying to pull a fast one from the beginning. Or maybe they got the idea for the amusement park later. But one thing is certain: the amusement park would impact the revenues of the Rodeo and because of traffic issues probably the Texans too. Every time the Chron does an article on the Dome, this CENTRAL amusement park issue just seems to get pushed into the background. I partly blame the politicians for this. The more they can confuse the casual followers of this matter, the more pressure they think they can put on the Rodeo and Texans to cave in. But I also blame the Chron. This has always been the central issue and the Chron shouldn't allow it to be fuzzed over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 In my opinion there is a lot of confusion about this convention hotel project. The Rodeo and the Texans are not against it. What they are against is the attempt to sneak an amusement park in along with the hotel. I have been unable to determine whether the original proposal to the county was intended to be for a hotel only, or whether the poposal got changed. But at this point there doesn't seem to be a proposal on the table for a CONVENTION HOTEL ONLY. Maybe the hotel people were trying to pull a fast one from the beginning. Or maybe they got the idea for the amusement park later. But one thing is certain: the amusement park would impact the revenues of the Rodeo and because of traffic issues probably the Texans too. Every time the Chron does an article on the Dome, this CENTRAL amusement park issue just seems to get pushed into the background. I partly blame the politicians for this. The more they can confuse the casual followers of this matter, the more pressure they think they can put on the Rodeo and Texans to cave in. But I also blame the Chron. This has always been the central issue and the Chron shouldn't allow it to be fuzzed over.Funny, you'd think that HSLR or the Texans would've at least put out a press release to that effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wernicke Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Well, I would assume a $450 million convention hotel in a building the size of the astrodome would have amusement park-like features... like the Gaylord convention hotels (You can almost see them doing something like the Gaylord Texan). I just don't see this having a significant negative impact on revenues of the Texans or HLSR, especially not out of proportion to the benefit to the city and county. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Well, I would assume a $450 million convention hotel in a building the size of the astrodome would have amusement park-like features... like the Gaylord convention hotels (You can almost see them doing something like the Gaylord Texan). I just don't see this having a significant negative impact on revenues of the Texans or HLSR, especially not out of proportion to the benefit to the city and county.I have to agree with this statement. I've been known to go across the street for an inning during a ballgame at MMP for vastly less expensive booze, but out of the tens of thousands of people in attendance, it always seems as though I'm almost totally alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyEvilTwin Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Well, I would assume a $450 million convention hotel in a building the size of the astrodome would have amusement park-like features... like the Gaylord convention hotels (You can almost see them doing something like the Gaylord Texan). I just don't see this having a significant negative impact on revenues of the Texans or HLSR, especially not out of proportion to the benefit to the city and county.I agree too. And I wouldn't be surprised if the HLSR and the Texans agree (privately) as well. Nonetheless, if they've got non-compete protection in their contracts with the county, then they probably see this as an opportunity to coax the county into sweetening their deal just a little bit.I'm not that worried about the oppostion from the HLSR & the Texans. If this hotel deal turns out to be viable in the county's eyes (who knows whether that's true?), I believe all the parties will come to some agreement. This just sounds like rich people with lawyers wanting to get what they think is theirs. In the end, they're rational businesspeople. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happytown Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 (edited) Funny, you'd think that HSLR or the Texans would've at least put out a press release to that effect.I got the following from Swamplot. It's from a previous Chron story.There's a lot more over there if you care to look. Like I said, the Chronicle's reporting on this has not been stellar. I believe commisioner's court is being less than frank about the situation, and the Chron needs to point it out in every article they do. The issue is not the hotel. In the latest installment of the Chronicle Edited May 20, 2008 by happytown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhlaw09 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 (edited) Anyone know if there have been any developments with negotiations for this project? Edited June 5, 2008 by uhlaw09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonartstudent Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 not sure if anyone's said this already, but I think they should just turn it into the worlds largest parking garage, maybe with a few restaurants on the top level....at least then it would solve the parking problem and still look good from the outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted June 6, 2008 Author Share Posted June 6, 2008 not sure if anyone's said this already, but I think they should just turn it into the worlds largest parking garage, maybe with a few restaurants on the top level....at least then it would solve the parking problem and still look good from the outside.It's really not a bad idea. That would do more to preserve the exterior appearance than the hotel idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyEvilTwin Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Today's Chronicle reports that the Rodeo & Texans are sounding a little more open to the proposed Astrodome Convention Hotel project of late. Not surprisingly, it seems it was always about negotiating a better deal..."Despite their previous staunch opposition to the project, the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo and the Texans signaled that they may be able to coexist with a convention hotel that would be built in the Astrodome...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Today's Chronicle reports that the Rodeo & Texans are sounding a little more open to the proposed Astrodome Convention Hotel project of late. Not surprisingly, it seems it was always about negotiating a better deal...to be fair, I think it was always about negotiating a deal that does not breach their contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 i've been told that the ARC are trying to involve the owners of the Astroworld site wanting to develop some sort of mixed use project and connecting the two... is that skybrdige still there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Yeah, it's still there I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizen4rmptown Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 (edited) ...the problem being that the dome isn't central. How would the light rail expansion go through the dome? It isn't even near any of the new lines. it was just his dream ,its not like anyones actually gonna do that dreamcrushing is a bad thing... Edited August 6, 2008 by citizen4rmptown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Here is the latest proposal:"It's absolutely the least amount of change to this historical structure that you could possibly do and give it a new lease on life, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimberlySayWhat Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 (edited) So do I. I'd rather have it as a large soundstage as well. I want something interesting done with it regardless, but the studio idea sounds better than the hotel. They'd probably give the hotel a hokey Texas theme. Yuck. Edited August 17, 2008 by KimberlySayWhat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
102IAHexpress Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 In its second life, I would rather the Dome become an air and space museum. We already have all the pieces in order to make such a project, not only happen, but potentially become the crown jewel in Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I'd rather keep the space stuff at NASA. Let them make that place more touristy (like Epcot). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrunner Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I really hope this group executes this. It will be good diversification for the local economy, and the hotel solution just didn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 do love movies.i like the idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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