Gary Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Just my two cents: You are right, for a large majority of us who dont live downtown, we dont have a burning need to shop there. Heck, there are plenty shopping districts in Houston that are worth going to, and in that respect Houston is not lacking. But it has nothing to do with that lack of urgency to shop in the CBD. It's about creating a downtown in our city we can all be proud of. How cool would it be to have a downtown that is just a little small version of Times' Square? Or maybe more realistically something that resembles downtown Seattle or Denver? There are proud Houstonians that would love to see thier downtown flourish, regardless where in the city they actually live. I'm sure with the 2 and a half million Houstonians and the 6 million in and around around the city, there is enough critical mass to make such a dream come true.Agreed.On a side note, the wife and i stayed at the Courtyard by Marriot this weekend (Humble Oil building) which is directly across the street, and I must say that this is going to be a lot of fun. Although it doesn't have the residential componant, it's really a huge place, and i can imagine how much this part of DT is about to change. I for one am stoked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Why resemble something else when it can be what it is?What is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 What is it?That which is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmoneybangbang Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Just my two cents: You are right, for a large majority of us who dont live downtown, we dont have a burning need to shop there. Heck, there are plenty shopping districts in Houston that are worth going to, and in that respect Houston is not lacking. But it has nothing to do with that lack of urgency to shop in the CBD. It's about creating a downtown in our city we can all be proud of. How cool would it be to have a downtown that is just a little small version of Times' Square? Or maybe more realistically something that resembles downtown Seattle or Denver? There are proud Houstonians that would love to see thier downtown flourish, regardless where in the city they actually live. I'm sure with the 2 and a half million Houstonians and the 6 million in and around around the city, there is enough critical mass to make such a dream come true.^CBD FetishismIt oughta be in the DSM-V.I think Houston already has a CBD worth going to; we have a great theater district, an assortment of resturants, various entertainment (pool, movie theater, clubs, and bars), and just the atmosphere and feel of being surrounded by skyscraperss. I think Houston Pavillions will give people more to do downtown. I think there will be plenty of people to support this project. I think disco green is a good indicator of people's willingingness to venture downtown who might not have done so. However, downtown has lots of competition between the rest of the inner loop that I can't possibly see our downtown having a significant amount of retail or residential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 What is it?Downtown Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 (edited) I live about three miles from dt and ride my bike almost daily in the area. I'll be GLAD to have a place to shop that is so close to me. There's my personal (selfish) reason for enjoying Houston Pavillions, just like I love and enjoy Disco G already. The communal reason is that although our downtown is already quite impressive, it can be so much more. I don't live in New York, nor do I want to. But I sure wouldn't mind Houston having some more fun in our own downtown. People will always shop in the Galleria, Memorial City, and wherever else they want to, but HP and what follows will provide everyone in the metro with another viable option, and be a very welcomed sight to visitors staying downtown, or just wanting to explore the whole city. And I'm sorry but the surface parking in dt Houston is CRAP. It's a complete waste of space. Think about how many people you can fit on one surface lot vs. how many MORE people fit in a five or six story garage!!! And did anyone mention that garages offer more protection from vandalism??? Come on y'all, let's have some common sense!!! Get rid of dt's surface lots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited June 3, 2008 by totheskies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 And did anyone mention that garages offer more protection from vandalism???don't be fooled, crime happens in parking garages too. just last yr a lady won 3.5 million from the galleria after being raped in their garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 don't be fooled, crime happens in parking garages too. just last yr a lady won 3.5 million from the galleria after being raped in their garage.Which I'm sure could have been prevented with increased floor-to-floor security. Can't control everything, but to me, parking garages have always been safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 (edited) Which I'm sure could have been prevented with increased floor-to-floor security. Can't control everything, but to me, parking garages have always been safer.no you can't control everything. perceived safety isn't a good thing.the newer ones are being designed with more lighting, less areas to hide, etc Edited June 3, 2008 by musicman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasaNova Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I was proud of our downtown when it was a skater's paradise at night. That was something unique about Houston: we all go home at night and let the Urban Animals play while we sleep.Not very. There's a big version of Times Square and I know where to find it, if I wanted it.Why resemble something else when it can be what it is?UUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHH BBBBBBAAAAAAAAA HHHHHUUUUMMMMBBBBUUUUUUGGGGGG!Because what it is now is not exiciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thats why!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 UUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHH BBBBBBAAAAAAAAA HHHHHUUUUMMMMBBBBUUUUUUGGGGGG!Because what it is now is not exiciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thats why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It isn't exciting to you. I'm not excited by mimicking other downtowns, but my tax dollars will be used to excite you. You're welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Downtown Houston.And what is Downtown Houston to you? You don't want any change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midtownuser Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 why is there a Forever 21 in this center? that store is catered towards kids that think the age 21 is cool. wonder if it will do well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0123 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 why is there a Forever 21 in this center? that store is catered towards kids that think the age 21 is cool. wonder if it will do wellI actually think it's a smart move. Maybe they figure between all of the convention goers and girls going out to the clubs in Midtown/Downtown, they will pull in a lot of business from girls that need something for their "night out on the town". I think the place could rack up some serious sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 (edited) why is there a Forever 21 in this center? that store is catered towards kids that think the age 21 is cool. wonder if it will do wellForever 21 is marketed heavily to mid 20s to early 30s women who spend too much time reading Lucky and want to be on the pointy end of the trend, but who can't afford the real fashion. Edited June 3, 2008 by crunchtastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I was in downtown last saturday night and I saw alot of Indian girls there... I didn't see an "indian" club or bar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasaNova Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 It isn't exciting to you. I'm not excited by mimicking other downtowns, but my tax dollars will be used to excite you. You're welcome.Hey the way I see it it's not just your tax dollars at work, it's mine and everyone else on this board. This is a democracy and the majority rule and decide, unless of course, it directly infringes or violates minority rights, which is clearly not the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Forever 21 is marketed heavily to mid 20s to early 30s women who spend too much time reading Lucky and want to be on the pointy end of the trend, but who can't afford the real fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Hey the way I see it it's not just your tax dollars at work, it's mine and everyone else on this board.But you could have invested in the project if you wanted the excitement. Let the free market deal with shopping malls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Deal with the signs. It's not that big of a deal to have a few video boards along the walls of Houston Pavilions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 I was in downtown last saturday night and I saw alot of Indian girls there... I didn't see an "indian" club or bar...what kind?dot or feathers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 But you could have invested in the project if you wanted the excitement. Let the free market deal with shopping malls.But you don't hang out downtown anyway, correct?? Your tax dollars pay for roads in the city and county that you don't use, schools that you've never attended, and parks/public spaces that aren't on your side of town. You pay the taxes, and the city leaders decide what to do with it. And considering that they county only spent 8 mil on this project, you'd probably never miss the 30 or 40 cents that you PERSONALLY contributed anyway. Just be glad that Houston is moving in a new direction, and don't cling to the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 what kind?dot or feathers?I believe the politically correct method these days is "casinos or tech support?"Just be glad that Houston is moving in a new direction, and don't cling to the past.I think you'll find that HAIF is made up of about 50% who believe Houston isn't advancing fast enough and 50% who want you kids to get off their lawns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 I believe the politically correct method these days is "casinos or tech support?" Good point. But what if dots had casinos? Of course, if feathers don't have tech support..... I like my question better. so I think you'll find that HAIF is made up of about 50% who believe Houston isn't advancing fast enough and 50% who want you kids to get off their lawns. Get off my skyscraper you little *astards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skwatra Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 I believe the politically correct method these days is "casinos or tech support?"ha, that's a good one.I'm assuming he meant dots. they travel in packs, all go out to the same place any given night. though lately that has all moved to midtown with Main becoming a bit ghetto for their taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 They've got some newish construction photos up that include some nice aerial shots.http://www.houstonpavilions.com/rendering.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I'm glad they published those shots. It's impossible (for me) to get some decent photos of the project. The HOB section is looking pretty smart, but I expected something more, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I'm glad they published those shots. It's impossible (for me) to get some decent photos of the project. The HOB section is looking pretty smart, but I expected something more, though.It's really looking more and more like a downtown mini-Galleria than something neat and new. On the other hand, if it's gets a fraction of the Galleria's business, HP will have accomplished it's goal. Gotta go with what you know I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 As I've said before, it'll give people that reside in downtown something else to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97saturn Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 I am sure it will look different when the electronic signage is up and running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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