Yoda Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, jermh said: It looks like this is what ZCA is proposing for Bayou Place. No clue what the status is on the project through, but it's being shared on the new website. It could have never left the concept stage or is still in play and is now okay to share publicly. https://zieglercooper.com/projects/bayou-place/ Great find! I like this idea, though the towers could probably be refined. Edited April 14, 2021 by Yoda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, Triton said: Is it on the roof top? No. The concert venue is in the northeast corner (purple area in sight plans for level 1 & 2) taking up both levels. This has been in the plans for a while. It’s been illustrated in past renders and the HBJ article makes note of the fact that negotiations between Lovett and LiveNation have been ongoing since 2018. Lovett has made no secret about Day For Night’s influence on the project, as well as using Printworks London & Kraftwerk Berlin as inspirations for the venue design. What this news coupled with the ZCA Bayou Place renders suggest to me Bayou Place Music Center’s days are numbered and won’t be part of future redevelopment plans. On 8/13/2020 at 1:29 PM, tigereye said: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/Downtown-venue-to-open-on-five-acre-rooftop-park-15481162.php Looking at the renders, the concert venue is in the northeast corner and takes up the first 2 levels. There appears to be balconies overlooking the event floor and stage area. I take it the Skylawn event space will be on the rooftop above the concert venue. Not sure where a hotel goes in (unless it’s in the administration building or being built as a separate addition in a later phase. On 1/22/2021 at 5:44 PM, kbates2 said: Edited April 14, 2021 by tigereye 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tigereye Posted April 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) On 4/1/2021 at 1:41 PM, cspwal said: This morning came out with a proposed new route map by 2035 with the current proposed funding increase, and it seems to include "new services" in the Texas triangle New service (presumably much more frequent) to San Antonio, and new service to Dallas via College Station. I wonder how they think they'll do that - using existing lines? Will they pay UP or BNSF to upgrade them? Will they keep the Amtrak shack or are they planning on consolidating with TCR? I know one of the big bottlenecks in Houston for trains is a crossing downtown called tower 26 that is super busy; can they pump more trains through there without laying more track? Just wanted to start a discussion about this I'm sure there's people who know more about the Houston train network] Edited: from the fact sheet pdf http://media.amtrak.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Amtrak-Connects-US-Fact-Sheet.pdf Since Amtrak might be increasing service to Houston and we all now this city needs a better train station, with Post HTX being located close by, it lead me to an obvious idea: I’d like to see the Amtrak station moved to PostHTX, which would be a nicer location (compared to under a freeway overpass) and could still use the existing heavy rail tracks. Since the loading dock is being transformed into covered patio spaces, convert the loading dock area behind Post HTX into a European style train shed that can support Amtrak operations and connect directly to the food hall/shopping and collaborative areas of Post HTX, adding a new audience to help support Post HTX growth and success. This provides vendors at Post HTX with more sales opportunities in the form of train travelers and gives the city better gateway to welcome train travelers to and from Downtown. And if the city eventually uses the existing heavy rail tracks for commuter rail, this could be the station connection to downtown. Think Denver’s Union Station. Edited April 14, 2021 by tigereye 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Triton Posted April 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, tigereye said: Since Amtrak might be increasing service to Houston and we all now this city needs a better train station, with Post HTX being located close by, it lead me to an obvious idea: I’d like to see the Amtrak station moved to PostHTX, which would be a nicer location (compared to under a freeway overpass) and could still use the existing heavy rail tracks. Since the loading dock is being transformed into covered patio spaces, convert the loading dock area behind Post HTX into a European style train shed that can support Amtrak operations and connect directly to the food hall/shopping and collaborative areas of Post HTX, adding a new audience to help support Post HTX growth and success. This provides vendors at Post HTX with more sales opportunities in the form of train travelers and gives the city better gateway to welcome train travelers to and from Downtown. And if the city eventually uses the existing heavy rail tracks for commuter rail, this could be the station connection to downtown. Think Denver’s Union Station. That honestly would be an incredible idea. You can actually take the train from Denver International Airport to downtown's Denver Union Station. With that being said, what we need to do, is build commuter rail, not light rail, from IAH to Post HTX.. It would be quite cost effective because the rail already exists down the Hardy Toll Road into downtown. You would just have to build an extension towards IAH east of Hardy Toll Road and fortunately there is a lot of open land there. That would turn Post HTX into an even bigger destination. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, Triton said: That honestly would be an incredible idea. You can actually take the train from Denver International Airport to downtown's Denver Union Station. With that being said, what we need to do, is build commuter rail, not light rail, from IAH to Post HTX.. It would be quite cost effective because the rail already exists down the Hardy Toll Road into downtown. You would just have to build an extension towards IAH east of Hardy Toll Road and fortunately there is a lot of open land there. That would turn Post HTX into an even bigger destination. Exactly. This is the perfect, centralized location and using the heavy rail already in place, commuter trains from a Post HTX train shed can easily branch out to many parts of the city. Go west to Cypress and Sugar Land or go North to IAH and Kingwood at the very least (haven’t fully explored all heavy rail in the area yet). This could be a game-changer just by jumpstarting commuter rail plans with a possible cost effective solution. And the real benefit is possibly transforming Post HTX into our own version Grand Central Station. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerNut Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 41 minutes ago, tigereye said: Exactly. This is the perfect, centralized location and using the heavy rail already in place, commuter trains from a Post HTX train shed can easily branch out to many parts of the city. Go west to Cypress and Sugar Land or go North to IAH and Kingwood at the very least (haven’t fully explored all heavy rail in the area yet). This could be a game-changer just by jumpstarting commuter rail plans with a possible cost effective solution. And the real benefit is possibly transforming Post HTX into our own version Grand Central Station. This makes so much sense for a direct route to IAH. I know METRO wants a route that would capture more riders but a direct route from IAH to downtown would be awesome for the convention crowd and for riders wanting an easy route to connect to downtown transit center. It's already double tracked all the way to IAH and part of it is triple tracked. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Adding a train station component would bring things full circle - this was the site of the Southern Pacific station (Houston's dominant passenger railroad at the time) before being torn down for the post office. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 according to what I've found on the internet, Amtrak is supposed to be prioritized over freight. however, the people dispatching and telling which trains get priority are freight operators. so what happens is freight actually ends up with priority because there's no real oversight. the line that goes down Hardy is very busy, I could conceive of a lot of people missing flights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Sama, where on the internet did you read that? Where Amtrak owns the lines (NE Corridor), I can see that, but as long as the Freight Lines own the tracks...which is basically all the lines that freight travels on, I cannot see that freight lines would give way to Passenger Lines. Maybe Amtrak will be building additional lines in some some corridors. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyt36 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 hour ago, samagon said: according to what I've found on the internet, Amtrak is supposed to be prioritized over freight. however, the people dispatching and telling which trains get priority are freight operators. so what happens is freight actually ends up with priority because there's no real oversight. the line that goes down Hardy is very busy, I could conceive of a lot of people missing flights. Agree that passenger rail sharing the freight rail lines in the Hardy Corridor would not be a recipe for reliability, but I disagree many people would miss their flights because no one would be taking it in the first place! Best case scenario is a 45-minute to an hour ride with headways of an hour . . . at best. Add a bus connection for the vast (99%+) majority of the market that won't live in the immediate downtown area, and it's probably 90 minutes. Transit to airport works best for employees. The data below are from 2008, but I assure you little has changed . . . this is pre-Uber. Top airports for transit ridership (all modes--rail/bus) / Annual transit ridership (per day) / O&D passengers / New York JFK / 2.2MM (6,027) / 11.6MM / 19% Los Angeles LAX / 2.1MM (5,750) / 16.4MM / 13% San Francisco SFO / 2.1MM (5,750) / 8.9MM / 23% Las Vegas / 2.0MM (5,480) / 16.3MM / 12% Atlanta / 1.9MM (5,205) / 13.7MM / 14% And since the question is bound to come up . . . Washington Reagan National / 1.2MM (3,288) / 7MM / 17% See 2020 study at (PDF) Use of Public Transportation by Airport Passengers (researchgate.net). In the United States, there appears to be limited market for public transportation (rail, bus, and shared-ride vans) at airports. The ceiling on public transportation use in most U.S. cities appears to be about 10% to 15%, even at airports with rail service. At most U.S. airports, the primary, potential market for rail service is passengers with trip ends in the downtown area (or other geographic areas well served by rail), travelling alone and with little or no baggage, and familiar with the rail service (and schedules). Compared to European and Asian cities, there appear to be a relatively small number of U.S. cities that have the airport user characteristics, the appropriate airport configuration, and the existing or planned rail network that are required to attract a large share (more than 5%) of the airline passenger market. At least the HOU lines will have a primary demand base of serving neighborhoods, as opposed to commuter rail down the Hardy Toll Road to IAH, which would be a tremendous misuse of money that could be more productively used for other transit solutions that people would actually use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgriff Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I can have an Uber at my front door in less than 10 minutes. Why would I ever ride a train to the airport? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 41 minutes ago, jgriff said: I can have an Uber at my front door in less than 10 minutes. Why would I ever ride a train to the airport? It's more a matter of providing options for people and a better sense of connectivity. Especially for those from out of town. PostHTX would be great as our new Amtrak Station. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gene Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I think the idea would be for those that can't afford uber and/or want to bypass traffic to the airport? but the best reason for this is so that WE don't ever have to pick up anyone from the airport ever again!!!!!!! I hate doing that haha!!! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyt36 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 3 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said: It's more a matter of providing options for people and a better sense of connectivity. Especially for those from out of town. PostHTX would be great as our new Amtrak Station. Providing options at any cost? Travelers do have a transit option . . . do they have to have an option for a train, too? And why would Harris County consumers be interested in subsidizing (through sales taxes) a small number of visitors from out of town, essentially so that these visitors leaving "feeling" that there is a "better sense of connectivity"? Seems like a pretty high price to pay for feelings. Are there not better, more critical uses of such monies? 3 hours ago, gene said: I think the idea would be for those that can't afford uber and/or want to bypass traffic to the airport? but the best reason for this is so that WE don't ever have to pick up anyone from the airport ever again!!!!!!! I hate doing that haha!!! You can do that (and METRO is doing that) with an express bus, with much shorter headways due to lower capacity and, more than likely, providing faster transit times and the possibility of multiple terminals downtown. Aside from that, air travelers as a demographic group are more affluent than the general public and don't really top many lists of groups needing to be subsidized (at least not mine). If you said to help airport employees, the majority of whom are low-wage service workers, well, then a case could certainly be made for that. But I'm sure almost all of them would choose a 30-minute express bus operating every 15 minutes than a 45-minute heavy rail train operating every hour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mkultra25 Posted April 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2021 23 hours ago, mollusk said: Adding a train station component would bring things full circle - this was the site of the Southern Pacific station (Houston's dominant passenger railroad at the time) before being torn down for the post office. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose... 13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, mattyt36 said: Providing options at any cost? Travelers do have a transit option . . . do they have to have an option for a train, too? And why would Harris County consumers be interested in subsidizing (through sales taxes) a small number of visitors from out of town, essentially so that these visitors leaving "feeling" that there is a "better sense of connectivity"? Seems like a pretty high price to pay for feelings. Are there not better, more critical uses of such monies? You can do that (and METRO is doing that) with an express bus, with much shorter headways due to lower capacity and, more than likely, providing faster transit times and the possibility of multiple terminals downtown. Aside from that, air travelers as a demographic group are more affluent than the general public and don't really top many lists of groups needing to be subsidized (at least not mine). If you said to help airport employees, the majority of whom are low-wage service workers, well, then a case could certainly be made for that. But I'm sure almost all of them would choose a 30-minute express bus operating every 15 minutes than a 45-minute heavy rail train operating every hour. Well yeah that's an option... So what, we should give people limited options? Should we not have a solid terminal to transfer by train from downtown to the airport? Not sure what exactly your argument is. I'm assuming you already know how something like that would be funded. In either case we are the 4th largest city in the nation. This isn't about a "feeling." Connecting downtown to an airport is just common sense. Should we not have some level of appeal to visitors? Things like this have existed before in this city. Older people talk about the interurban from DT to Galveston all the time. No Uber required. Edited April 16, 2021 by j_cuevas713 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 A heavy rail line from Galveston to Woodlands/Conroe would be totally viable. Galveston/Clear Lake/Hobby/Downtown(Post HTX)/IAH/Woodlands/Conroe...Dallas maybe? I wish it were but I’m not convinced that just a Downtown-IAH line would work. A transit hub with N/S & E/W lines at Post HTX would be amazing, though. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyt36 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, j_cuevas713 said: Well yeah that's an option... So what, we should give people limited options? Should we not have a solid terminal to transfer by train from downtown to the airport? Not sure what exactly your argument is. I'm assuming you already know how something like that would be funded. In either case we are the 4th largest city in the nation. This isn't about a "feeling." Connecting downtown to an airport is just common sense. Should we not have some level of appeal to visitors? Things like this have existed before in this city. Older people talk about the interurban from DT to Galveston all the time. No Uber required. Well it sure seems to be a "feeling" . . . it's simple "common sense," you say . . . you seem to imply that the 4th largest city in the nation=rail transit to the airport must be an option is some sort of natural law, regardless of actual demand, travel behavior, or, dare I say, even the lowest standards of financial feasibility? I do agree that your view is widely enough held, but I think most in the industry would say it's a "common misconception" rather than "common sense." The primary domestic airport for the largest city in the nation (LGA) has had no rail transit in its 82-year history. Granted, it might yet get such a link soon, but take that under consideration. My argument is straightforward . . . it makes no sense whatsoever on the basis of demand or financial feasibility . . . it only makes sense as some sort of vanity project or some warped idea of what constitutes a "real city." And yes, I do know how these are funded. METRO's 2020 revenues were $945MM in 2020 before the pandemic, $775MM of which were sales tax receipts. (Fares were less than one-tenth this, at $75MM.) These collections are at the MAXIMUM RATE allowed by the State of Texas. What of METRO's current operations do you propose to curtail to run this vanity "See, My City Is a Real City" train? (And before you say it doesn't need to be METRO . . . true . . . but there isn't room for any other agency to charge a sales tax as Harris County is at the maximum rate, so the same argument remains.) If actual demand and either financial feasibility (or, better said in the case of transit, the best use of limited financial resources) is not a criterion by which you judge major investments, then I don't know what to say. In any case, we will probably see soon enough the effect of a train on the "appeal to visitors" . . . do you expect HOU to become wildly more popular than IAH as a result of the light rail extension? May I suggest this as a worthwhile addition to your library: TRAINS, BUSES, PEOPLE, written by a local, professional transportation planner, and a former METRO board member. 13 minutes ago, Naviguessor said: A heavy rail line from Galveston to Woodlands/Conroe would be totally viable. Galveston/Clear Lake/Hobby/Downtown(Post HTX)/IAH/Woodlands/Conroe...Dallas maybe? I wish it were but I’m not convinced that just a Downtown-IAH line would work. A transit hub with N/S & E/W lines at Post HTX would be amazing, though. Yes, true commuter rail would be a much better investment. Edited April 16, 2021 by mattyt36 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, mattyt36 said: Well it sure seems to be a "feeling" . . . you seem to imply that the 4th largest city in the nation=rail transit to the airport must be an option is some sort of natural law, regardless of actual demand, travel behavior, or, dare I say, even the lowest standards of financial feasibility? The primary domestic airport for the largest city in the nation (LGA) has had no rail transit in its 82-year history. Granted, it might yet get such a link soon, but take that under consideration. My argument is straightforward . . . it makes no sense whatsoever on the basis of demand or financial feasibility . . . it only makes sense as some sort of vanity project or some warped idea of what constitutes a "real city." And yes, I do know how these are funded. METRO's 2020 revenues were $945MM in 2020 before the pandemic, $775MM of which were sales tax receipts. (Fares were less than one-tenth this, at $75MM.) These collections are at the MAXIMUM RATE allowed by the State of Texas. What of METRO's current operations do you propose to curtail to run this vanity "See, My City Is a Real City" train? (And before you say it doesn't need to be METRO . . . true . . . but there isn't room for any other agency to charge a sales tax as Harris County is at the maximum rate, so the same argument remains.) If actual demand and either financial feasibility (or, better said in the case of transit, the best use of limited financial resources) is not a criterion by which you judge major investments, then I don't know what to say. May I suggest this as a worthwhile addition to your library: TRAINS, BUSES, PEOPLE, written by a local, professional transportation planner, and a former METRO board member. Yes, true commuter rail would be a much better investment. Ok you seem to be assuming a lot about what I said without asking me much. This doesn't have to fall on Metro, as you just answered yourself. I also said nothing about a real city needing a train, and I'm not implying anything. You're def assuming though. All I said was that utilizing POST HTX as Amtrak's next station would be a neat partnership. Not to mention it was the original site of Union Pacific at one point. Yeah trust me I've already seen Metro's budget shortfall because of the pandemic. Not sure what that has to do with anything or the point I made. If the demand is there, it will happen. That goes for any investment. You want me to predict the future or something? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyt36 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 minute ago, j_cuevas713 said: This doesn't have to fall on Metro, as you just answered yourself. No, but, as described, the funding pie is fixed . . . 2 minutes ago, j_cuevas713 said: I also said nothing about a real city needing a train, and I'm not implying anything. You're def assuming though. All I said was that utilizing POST HTX as Amtrak's next station would be a neat partnership. Well that's a bit revisionist . . . you said it's simple "common sense" to connect an airport to downtown and that a train was needed to have "some level of appeal to visitors." 5 minutes ago, j_cuevas713 said: Yeah trust me I've already seen Metro's budget shortfall because of the pandemic. Not sure what that has to do with anything. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . 6 minutes ago, j_cuevas713 said: If the demand is there, it will happen. That goes for any investment. You want me to predict the future or something? Well glad to hear you saying (implying?) that demand is a worthwhile consideration. Sources shared above about how demand for these things is commonly grossly overestimated. You don't have to predict the future, but considering the experience of other cities and other key factors certainly can be used as a reasonably reliable predictive tool, at least in the short term. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, mattyt36 said: No, but, as described, the funding pie is fixed . . . Well that's a bit revisionist . . . you said it's simple "common sense" to connect an airport to downtown and that a train was needed to have "some level of appeal to visitors." Hmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . Well glad to hear you saying (implying?) that demand is a worthwhile consideration. Sources shared above about how demand for these things is commonly grossly overestimated. You don't have to predict the future, but considering the experience of other cities and other key factors certainly can be used as a reasonably reliable predictive tool, at least in the short term. Are you done? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 14 hours ago, mattyt36 said: And why would Harris County consumers be interested in subsidizing (through sales taxes) a small number of visitors from out of town, essentially so that these visitors leaving "feeling" that there is a "better sense of connectivity"? Seems like a pretty high price to pay for feelings. Are there not better, more critical uses of such monies? moo, just raise the hotel occupancy tax to pay for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post monarch Posted April 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2021 ^^^ the plants/trees are starting to settle in upon the rooftop at POSTHTX... 20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablog Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 5 hours ago, monarch said: ^^^ the plants/trees are starting to settle in upon the rooftop at POSTHTX... Hey, can I share this picture on my social media page, @livelihood and @livelihoodprojects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, pablog said: Hey, can I share this picture on my social media page, @livelihood and @livelihoodprojects ^^^ @pablog you have my blessings... 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hindesky Posted April 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2021 Crane is still on site to fly up more landscaping. 12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Highrise Tower Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 wow!! 22 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 ^^^ not only is this newest stair creation exquisite, it looks quite expensive to boot... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougarpad Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 On 4/15/2021 at 8:33 PM, mkultra25 said: Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose... If not mistaken the old Forum was a couple blocks away that was also torn down around the same time period. It was in the vicinity of what is now Hobby Center and the Bayou Place. What historical buildings Houston has torn down over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I hope this place does well. It's really unbelievable how well its turned out architecturally speaking. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 On 4/15/2021 at 8:33 PM, mkultra25 said: Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose... What's best about this photo is the stakeside truck on its way to the farmer's market. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gene Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 wowsa...loving the progress!!!!!!!!!!!! and the photos! i for one am so excited about this place and everything it will offer! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X.R. Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) Anyone else kind of nervous for this? I for one am super excited, the only thing kind of holding it back a bit is how I feel this is like the ultimate litmus test for downtown. I think the views will undoubtedly garner a ton of wedding/corporate/special event money, I just hope the rest of the development like the food, music, and retail (assuming there is some kind of retail whether its a food market or clothes or whatnot) does well. I mean, there's no way this portion of the development could be a loser: https://twitter.com/JRDNLTHMS/status/1390451008367640576?s=20 Edited May 10, 2021 by X.R. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbates2 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 My worry is that this is not the easiest walk from most places in downtown, it doesn't have a lot of trees or other developments super close to it. Still, I think that it is looking like such a draw that it may not matter. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77011transplant Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Honestly (and unfortunately?), most people would be driving here. So I'm sure as long as there's some kind of parking structure/ lot I think it'll be a big draw. Personally, I look forward to when they improve the Buffalo Bayou east trail to reach here to we can bike there! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Texasota Posted May 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) I think it feels further away from other stuff downtown because there's not much in the immediately surrounding blocks, but I think it's actually pretty well located. It's very easy to get to on bike, with both Buffalo Bayou trail access and the new Bagby lanes across the street. The only thing I'd like to see in the short term is some clearly marked bike crossings across Franklin (but that's just paint) and a bike share station. It's 7 minute walk from Market Square Park. Yes, that walk has some issues, but it's not *that* bad, and there are lots of simple ways to improve it (if the Downtown Management District is listening) It's 9 minutes to the red line. It has plenty of parking, which is a waste of space long term, but in the short term makes it more appealing to a lot of people who worry about parking. Then, once it's established enough that people are willing to go even if it's inconvenient, they can start filling in the parking lots with apartments, more retail, a hotel, etc. Edited May 10, 2021 by Texasota 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 my wife loves driving to farmers markets, we live in East End, and she'll make me go to places harder to get to than this, and I can believe that the view will be attractive for her. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I'm also hoping they host some just massive outdoor markets here. Maybe starting in the plaza, using the front parking on the western side, and wrapping around back to the loading docks. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Very exciting development. Mods, can we change the topic heading? This is not named Post HTX. Per their website, it seems to be simply POST. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 ^^^ this is aiming to be a fabulous development... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 10 hours ago, Houston19514 said: Very exciting development. Mods, can we change the topic heading? This is not named Post HTX. Per their website, it seems to be simply POST. Done. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 one decent flood and this project is history. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 35 minutes ago, Tumbleweed_Tx said: one decent flood and this project is history. From what I understand, this didn't flood during Harvey. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 it did, my buddy had a studio there and he lost all his stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Harvey was a ridiculous flood. A decent flood might be a Tax Day Flood. A terrible flood might be considered Allison or Memorial Day floods. I don’t recall the post office flooding for anything aside from Harvey. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangledwoods Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 the north canal bypass project will really help to prevent water backup around this area. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerNut Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 https://www.facebook.com/posthouston/photos/a.539171546472464/1636527226736885 Quote POST UP!! Curious to what it feels like to be at POST? We’ll be doing a Facebook Live Video Tour of the entire project today at 5:00pm. Tune in. Just in case anyone else wants to tune in... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 10 hours ago, tangledwoods said: the north canal bypass project will really help to prevent water backup around this area. If and when it gets built. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerNut Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 So from the video they plan to have a huge amount dedicated to office space. It's been a while since Day for Night...kinda forgot how massive this building is. The video is still available on their Facebook if you want to take a look. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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