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Honestly, I could care less what the top part looks like. The more important factor is Hines is being respectful to Market Square and the street scape. That's the most important thing in the historic district. 

 

My only dislike is the parking podium but it is a necessary part of any development in Houston. It would have been nice to have had the first 10 floors or so of the building have patios/porches overlooking the square to add to the vitality of the area, but I ain't complaining. 

 

A solid A from me.

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This, in my opinion, has to be one of the best modern day Houston developments. Not only is it downtown but it fits into the old school fabric, directly butting against buildings. Retail is just icing on the cake.

 

I'm with you lockmat! ..., & yeah let's pump those brakes please.

 

GOD would have built our 102 story mixed-use (retail/restaurants/apts/condo/hotel/office) tower with a 150,000 sqft Macy's/Bloomingdales on the first 6 floors and a Spire/Crown lit up at night (every night). "Heaven on Travis"

 

Gerald's a good dude though.., but just a man :)

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Everybody is going all goo-goo over this building and you can't even see 70% of it. I just remember seeing a water-color image of another development downtown, cough...the Embassy Suites, and how sweet it looked and we got a concrete shell with signage. We'll see.

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Everybody is going all goo-goo over this building and you can't even see 70% of it. I just remember seeing a water-color image of another development downtown, cough...the Embassy Suites, and how sweet it looked and we got a concrete shell with signage. We'll see.

 

Except Hines has rarely let us down. I'd like to see a more realistic rendering, to see how the colors of the tower work. Until then, just have to enjoy with what they have provided.

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Everybody is going all goo-goo over this building and you can't even see 70% of it. I just remember seeing a water-color image of another development downtown, cough...the Embassy Suites, and how sweet it looked and we got a concrete shell with signage. We'll see.

I echo what kinkaidalum said. Hines will not put up an ugly building. The interaction it has at street level and the surrounding buildings matters most. I think that is what most of us are excited about.

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For height reference, the 717 Texas (Calpine) building nearby (@Milam/Prairie) is within a few floors of this.

There are quite a bit of parallels between this project and that one. First off, the height and the massing of the tower portions will both be elongated on the north-south orientation as it rises above similar sized podiums. I also noticed on the tower base plan that there's a semi-rotunda, curtain wall facade to the north like the Calpine. The cladding schemes look similar too in proportion and color. Both have base podiums that wrap around historic architecture, although I hope we don't end up with the huge, beige firewalls of the Calpine center in between the two mid-rise towers on Main or behind the Bryd's bldg (ever been to the back patio of BB's when it was still open for lunch?), and obviously both of these are/were Hines projects.

The best differences would be that this is a residential project(and I too agree with KinkaidAlum that it would have been nice to have something like a two storey retail/restaurant base with commercial use patio balconies over the sidewalks). I think the "red stone" parking garage is a pretty awful reminder of the McKinney garage and might look design-busy but I'm sure it will help drivers. Residential bldgs also tend to have penthouses on top so we're likely to see some sort of "crowning" element. Also this project is one block north and two blocks to the east of the Calpine so they won't be perfectly symmetrical on the skyline (which is good if they end up looking very different from one another). The Calpine should still look taller by perception b/c of the vertically oriented, double storey fenestration versus the residential tower that will emphasize a more horizontal, stacked look.

It's nice to see something new in the historic district, but I think it needs more glass (to reflect unique things like the Majestic signage).

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Is this going to be connected to the tunnels? It'd be cool to get more retail that was at street level and in the tunnels. I agree that it would look good with some restaurants and other retail in two above ground stories so they can have balconies overlooking the park but that doesn't seem to be in the cards for this one.

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I doubt it will be connected to the tunnels -- that part of downtown has poor access.  Of course that is why this area of town actually has street level restaurants  --  the tunnels have really killed downtown residential/retail (as has been pointed out in numerous other threads).   

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The proposed tower on the Milam/Prairie/Travis/Preston block would have to be built for this one to get to the tunnels, I would suspect.  Even for that one they will have to connect to 717 Texas or the Chronicle building.

 

I don't think I'd go through the Chronicle if I were planning such things. I'd not be long on that building having a tenant in 10 years.

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Is this going to be connected to the tunnels? It'd be cool to get more retail that was at street level and in the tunnels. I agree that it would look good with some restaurants and other retail in two above ground stories so they can have balconies overlooking the park but that doesn't seem to be in the cards for this one.

 

Hopefully not.  I'd prefer they keep the residents above ground... add to the street life. 

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I doubt it will be connected to the tunnels -- that part of downtown has poor access. Of course that is why this area of town actually has street level restaurants -- the tunnels have really killed downtown residential/retail (as has been pointed out in numerous other threads).

The street level restaurants in this area probably has more to do with the proximity to the park.

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Who received this rendering?  It does not look right.  This cannot be across the street from Market Square.  It does not show the clock tower or Warren's and there is a restaurant on the corner.  I talk the owner of Warren's and she also owns La Carafe and the only thing she said is traffic will get worse.  Hines did not buy the whole block. 

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Who received this rendering?  It does not look right.  This cannot be across the street from Market Square.  It does not show the clock tower or Warren's and there is a restaurant on the corner.  I talk the owner of Warren's and she also owns La Carafe and the only thing she said is traffic will get worse.  Hines did not buy the whole block. 

 

Whoa calm down... It's not one of those completely done renderings, its just a sketch. 

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Oh ok.  Why do a sketch that does not make any cense. If it is built it will look nothing like that.  We shall wait and see. -_-    

 

The sketch is accurate-it makes perfect sense.  It's looking south from Market Square Park and it portrays all the surrounding buildings as they are right now. 

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Oh ok.  Why do a sketch that does not make any cense. If it is built it will look nothing like that.  We shall wait and see. -_-    

 

Censible or not, there's not any reason that it could not look more or less exactly like the rendering.

 

People like to fire up the outrage train so quickly, they don't even bother with the basic facts. Seems to me that a list of the people that have avoided Warren's because of traffic would be a whole lot shorter than the list of people that would go there because they lived a block over. Unless they don't want more customers, which is entirely plausible.

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I'm very concerned that this building doesn't have a top. Since there isn't one on the rendering, that obviously means they must be planning on building the tower without a roof. OMG! What's wrong with people? What is going to happen when it starts to rain?

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I'm very concerned that this building doesn't have a top. Since there isn't one on the rendering, that obviously means they must be planning on building the tower without a roof. OMG! What's wrong with people? What is going to happen when it starts to rain?

Oh come on, now youre just being ridiculous......

.....obviously the developers thought of this and are planning on the huge dome over downtown to be finished before the building is. Problem solved.

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I talk the owner of Warren's and she also owns La Carafe and the only thing she said is traffic will get worse.

 

That's the first time I have ever heard a restaurant owner complain about increasing residential in the immediate vicinity of their business.  Do you think maybe her business might get better having a residential highrise across the street?

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That's the first time I have ever heard a restaurant owner complain about increasing residential in the immediate vicinity of their business.  Do you think maybe her business might get better having a residential highrise across the street?

 

Agreed.  But keep in mind that there is at least an even chance that Nativehoustonian has misreported what was said.

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Agreed.  But keep in mind that there is at least an even chance that Nativehoustonian has misreported what was said.

 

This x1000

 

He seems pretty clueless about the project in general when the articles are in this thread to read. Personally, I find it highly unlikely he talked to anyone.

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