CREguy13 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 It was more of an issue with the foundation is what I'm told. There are tiebacks in place now for the Bayou, and Midway woud have had to replace all of the tiebacks to bring them up to code with their proposal. I heard that Midway went to the city to seek a discount for the replacement cost, and the city rejected. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post H-Town Man Posted July 23, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Okay HAIFers, figure me this. It sounds like the site issues make major redevelopment cost prohibitive at this point in time. So we're left with the existing structures. Based on some quick Google Earth measurements, that building has about 215,000 SF of warehouse space. So what do you do with that much space? You make it into a market. Something like Boston's Faneuil Hall, Philadelphia's Reading Terminal, Seattle's Pike Place Market, San Francisco's Fisherman's Wharf/Pier 39, or smaller markets in New Orleans or San Antonio.Markets in downtowns are big tourist attractions. They give people of all ages and walks of life a reason to go downtown on weekends when there's no baseball game. They're fun and they make people happy. You can't walk through a market hall without smiling at least once. And right now the country is experiencing sort of a "market moment," with the new trend of food markets that sell gourmet and organic food items (these are more than just farmers' markets, although that could be a component too). I think the best example to imitate would be Reading Terminal.Call it "Old Post Office Market," or just "The Post Office." Put creative loft office space in the office building. Plant some trees in the parking area, and spruce up the bridges leading into downtown, to encourage foot traffic to and fro. Combine restaurants, retail, and gourmet foods to take home, possibly fresh produce also. You really don't have to do too much, since the infrastructure is already in place for truck deliveries. Above all, keep as much vintage look of a 50+ year old building as you can.I know something like this was tried with Mercado del Sol, but that was a terrible location, and a terrible era for downtown. Downtown's in a much different place now than it was then, and I think this would hit the cusp of a wave of revived interest, as all these other projects get finished. Edited July 23, 2015 by H-Town Man 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 ^^^ would love to have something of this magnitude in houston... wow / yummy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mab Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Okay HAIFers, figure me this. It sounds like the site issues make major redevelopment cost prohibitive at this point in time. So we're left with the existing structures. Based on some quick Google Earth measurements, that building has about 215,000 SF of warehouse space. So what do you do with that much space? You make it into a market. Something like Boston's Faneuil Hall, Philadelphia's Reading Terminal, Seattle's Pike Place Market, San Francisco's Fisherman's Wharf/Pier 39, or smaller markets in New Orleans or San Antonio. Markets in downtowns are big tourist attractions. They give people of all ages and walks of life a reason to go downtown on weekends when there's no baseball game. They're fun and they make people happy. You can't walk through a market hall without smiling at least once. And right now the country is experiencing sort of a "market moment," with the new trend of food markets that sell gourmet and organic food items (these are more than just farmers' markets, although that could be a component too). I think the best example to imitate would be Reading Terminal. Call it "Old Post Office Market," or just "The Post Office." Put creative loft office space in the office building. Plant some trees in the parking area, and spruce up the bridges leading into downtown, to encourage foot traffic to and fro. Combine restaurants, retail, and gourmet foods to take home, possibly fresh produce also. You really don't have to do too much, since the infrastructure is already in place for truck deliveries. Above all, keep as much vintage look of a 50+ year old building as you can. I know something like this was tried with Mercado del Sol, but that was a terrible location, and a terrible era for downtown. Downtown's in a much different place now than it was then, and I think this would hit the cusp of a wave of revived interest, as all these other projects get finished. This is such a cool idea. H-town man can you send this to Lovett commercial. I can totally see them doing something like this especially with there new sawyer yards development. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I've been saying the Post Office site would make a good "Farmers Market District", but I've got to be honest I never thought I'd agree with preserving the post office structure.. Lol. But I'm really digging the idea. Like you said, with the site issues, renovations might be the best bet until land prices eventually go high enough to make it financially feasible to completely tear down/redevelop the site.But I would add residential lofts, at least some of which could be leased to artists, with studio space in the building along side the market (maybe that's what you meant by creative "office" loft space?), possibly even a new community/downtown art center type thing.HAIFers wet dream.. Imagine if we were able to take it a step further and have it be a commuter rail station. It could be like Denvers central station terminal. I've never been, but apparently it's quite a happening hub with bars/gathering places to hang out and what not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I rather see this in EaDo or the actual warehouse district. Warehouses that might actually be a benefit to save. If this warehouse wasn't so darn huge and enormous and didn't use the site so poorly then sure keep it, but don't understand the movement to all the sudden save an otherwise unremarkable building. H-town. Your idea is seriously awesome...just would be better for a different for a smaller warehouse or one that would be connect to other neighborhoods. Hell grab one of the old warehouses in near Sawyer or any of them down washington or use one in the actual warehouse district. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 because there are clearly site externalities that could prevent someone from redeveloping the site, so the idea here is making the best of what you already have. yeah the building looks pretty crappy, but if it had any of the artsy stuff going on like mentioned above then surely artists would enjoy the exposure of painting up some of the outside walls to make it more eclectic. I'm not sure i agree that this would work as well down Washington or along Sawyer.. those aren't really touristy destinations or central gathering points for anything. downtown (not the warehouse district portion) has much more going for it IMO than the other sites and a large market/gathering place would help with the ongoing renaissance of downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Sooo...something sort of like what Lovett is doing at Sawyer Yards? I'm down for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gene Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 wow! i love the idea!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 so Lovett IS one of the guys behind Sawyer Yards. i was thinking that was the case but wasn't for sure.. yeah a Sawyer Yards art collective(?), live/work/gallery space type thing, with like a community art center promoting and showcasing the arts in downtown/the city (not sure if they're doing that over at Sawyer Yards?), was what i was envisioning to go with a large central market retail place. the artists would add some of their own local cultural flair to the property so its not so sterile and obviously a former federal building, and could sell some of their works along side the other local vendors at the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 because there are clearly site externalities that could prevent someone from redeveloping the site..Obviously Lovett worked financials (due to the site problems) to make it feasible to redevelop the site, but to what extent, who knows? They mentioned wanting to reuse some of the existing structure.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Reading Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 ^^^ would love to have something of this magnitude in houston... wow / yummy! Everyone would love it, and then for some reason its hours would be 7AM-3PM Monday-Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 There's a great article in the chron about that specific development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mab Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Lovett Commercial has closed on the 16-acre U.S. Post Office site in downtown.The Houston-based developer, which builds neighborhood shopping centers and urban redevelopment, did not elaborate on plans in a statement announcing the purchase. Previously, Lovett said it expects “to attract multiple uses such as retail, creative office, residential and/or a boutique hotel. Tenants that we have visited with are extremely excited about the project, its location and the possibilities.”The purchase price was not disclosedfrom the chronicle 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I struggle to see anything at this site succeeding beyond some large apartment blocks, with maybe a restaurant along Franklin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) I struggle to see anything at this site succeeding beyond some large apartment blocks, with maybe a restaurant along Franklin. I think there is a massive amount of potential here. With the Sawyer Yards Arts District down the road on Washington and the redevelopment of the theatre district, this area will be the next hot spot of downtown without a doubt. Edited August 18, 2015 by Triton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I think there is a massive amount of potential here. With the Sawyer Yards Arts District down the road on Washington and the redevelopment of the theatre district, this area will be the next hot spot of downtown without a doubt. I think thats obvious to everybody but them. Just from reading the statement in the article it just seems like they are treating this like simple retail tract development. Nothing has indicated that they are going to handle this in any special way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I think there is a massive amount of potential here. With the Sawyer Yards Arts District down the road on Washington and the redevelopment of the theatre district, this area will be the next hot spot of downtown without a doubt. I agree. The Market Square apartment tower and Hines Market Square are going up a couple of blocks from this. The presence along Franklin gives this parcel easy access to Washington Avenue. An effective layout of the parcel could permit a substantial residential, retail (at least restaurants and a few types of shops), and commercial presence. Environmental cleanup costs are a concern, and I think the developer would be wise to incorporate effective access to Buffalo Bayou as an amenity for potential denizens, but this site has a lot of upside. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I think thats obvious to everybody but them. Just from reading the statement in the article it just seems like they are treating this like simple retail tract development. Nothing has indicated that they are going to handle this in any special way. no offense but how in the hell would you know? are you some sort of expert press release decipherer?? what an absurd comment. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I think thats obvious to everybody but them. Just from reading the statement in the article it just seems like they are treating this like simple retail tract development. Nothing has indicated that they are going to handle this in any special way.Completely disagree with you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yeah, everything I've heard indicates that they want to do something interesting with the property, something more similar to Sawyer Yards that actually reuses some of the existing buildings. We'll see once they make a meatier announcement though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2015/08/downtown-post-office-sold-to-become-mixed-use.html "It's extremely rare to find a downtown site with direct, easy access to Interstate 10, Interstate 45 and numerous adjacent neighborhoods in Houston,” Burdette Huffman, vice president for Lovett Commercial, said in a statement. “Our goal is to create a very special mixed-use development that leverages the Bayou, the theater district and the significant scale of the property." 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Well, that's nice. I wonder if they have something in mind already. So many apartments being built already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Nothing has indicated that they are going to handle this in any special way. Our goal is to create a very special mixed-use development that leverages the Bayou, the theater district and the significant scale of the property. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 haha you got me. I'm still not convinced though. Only time will tell. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 haha you got me. I'm still not convinced though. Only time will tell. Look at it this way. Even if you keep your expectations to the lowest (suburban style shopping center), it still provides a level of activity to a part of downtown that never really existed... you rarely ever saw people walking the sidewalks on this side of downtown. People basically came here to drop off mail and pick up packages and go home or to work... that's it. This new development, again lowest expectations, could provide a good connection to the bayou and is only about 2 blocks away from the Market Square Park area, further enhancing the area. Also considering that the Chase bank lot is for sale and could potentially turn into a residential complex, there is some serious potential which, in my view, is better than the post office complex anyday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Not to pile on, but the development challenges mentioned previously that caused Midway to turn away should rule out conventional retail development. Either you reuse what's existing, or you'd need to build something very significant to make it worth the cost and effort. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Look at it this way. Even if you keep your expectations to the lowest (suburban style shopping center), it still provides a level of activity to a part of downtown that never really existed... you rarely ever saw people walking the sidewalks on this side of downtown. People basically came here to drop off mail and pick up packages and go home or to work... that's it. This new development, again lowest expectations, could provide a good connection to the bayou and is only about 2 blocks away from the Market Square Park area, further enhancing the area. Also considering that the Chase bank lot is for sale and could potentially turn into a residential complex, there is some serious potential which, in my view, is better than the post office complex anyday.I've wondered about the old Chase drive-through bank site. It has been used as extra parking of late, and I'm glad to hear it's up for sale. I think it would make an excellent residential site with the other developments going up around it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) I've wondered about the old Chase drive-through bank site. It has been used as extra parking of late, and I'm glad to hear it's up for sale. I think it would make an excellent residential site with the other developments going up around it. im not sure it is still up for sale? i inquired about that bank on here 6 months to a year ago, after someone posted a picture of a drive thru bank on Kirby(?) talking about how out of place it was. lo and behold the Chase site popped up for sale a short time later, but the bidding process was only a month or so/ended in March i believe. anyone know when we would typically expect to hear something about any transaction? Edited August 19, 2015 by cloud713 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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