Avossos Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 It is just a jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I thought it was just jail. There's no prison there, right? pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference?A jail is used for temporary detention. A prison is used for people serving long term sentences. There's certainly an advantage to having the jail so close to the courthouse, but I would think that, as others have noted, the value of the land is going to get high enough at some point, that it's going to make sense to move it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 A jail is used for temporary detention. A prison is used for people serving long term sentences. There's certainly an advantage to having the jail so close to the courthouse, but I would think that, as others have noted, the value of the land is going to get high enough at some point, that it's going to make sense to move it.Thanks for clarifying. I would assume that as long as the courthouses remain in downtown, so will the jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Small update This is south side of Eleanor Tinsley. I know I've posted this a few times before (at least I think I have on HAIF but I'm too lazy to check) but this bridge connecting to the Police Officer Memorial is really nice and I just can't imagine what this will all look like in the spring and summer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) Lots of cities have jails downtown. Where would you put it? The way Houston is built the jail will be surrounded by high priced property just about anywhere you put it in the core.NY county jail is right smack in the middle of lower Manhattan in the financial district. Edited March 9, 2014 by HoustonIsHome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Lost Lake: New ramp under Waugh Bridge: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Amazing how much it has changed in 15 years. I remember the Waugh bridge was the scariest to ride on with a bike as a kid because it felt like you could slip riding down and go straight into the water. I'm sure I'll re-post this thought in a 100 years in Houston History. Great pictures and thanks for the update. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pragmatist Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Sorry for the ugly photo, but here is a shot over the area. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Is the large square the top of that underground cistern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skooljunkie Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Is the large square the top of that underground cistern? sand volleyball court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Is the large square the top of that underground cistern?That is on the north side of the bayou next to the skate park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota79 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Wow. That is a great shot! Thank you for sharing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rellott Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 That is on the north side of the bayou next to the skate park. When might we know what they'll do to it? Thought it reminded me of the overpasses and underpasses with there multitude of columns and arches. Seems pretty Houstonian to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 When might we know what they'll do to it? Thought it reminded me of the overpasses and underpasses with there multitude of columns and arches. Seems pretty Houstonian to me It reminds me of a photo I've seen of the abandoned subways of Rochester. What could one do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 It reminds me of a photo I've seen of the abandoned subways of Rochester. What could one do with it?James Turrell could go wild with it and turn it into another one of his art installations. or they could turn it into a laser tag or paintball venue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 James Turrell could go wild with it and turn it into another one of his art installations. or they could turn it into a laser tag or paintball venue?Those last two ideas are the best i've heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Those last two ideas are the best i've heard. I disagree - those might destroy the essance of what this is / the vibe... James Turrell could go wild with it and turn it into another one of his art installations. or they could turn it into a laser tag or paintball venue? Would these really be feasable? I think there would be a risk to the safety of those in there if they were running around / all that might hurt the integrity of the structure or something. It reminds me of a photo I've seen of the abandoned subways of Rochester. What could one do with it? The could do installations there / keep it a spiritual place / a place to go for those seeking a spiritual escape. let people in and allow them to use it the way they see fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbates2 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Underground concert venue with a sloping entrance/open on once side. Amphitheater on top as planned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I disagree - those might destroy the essance of what this is / the vibe...Would these really be feasable? I think there would be a risk to the safety of those in there if they were running around / all that might hurt the integrity of the structure or something.The could do installations there / keep it a spiritual place / a place to go for those seeking a spiritual escape. let people in and allow them to use it the way they see fit.The essence? Turn it into a haunted house? "Keep" it a spiritual place? I think we have enough churches in this town, it should utilized for out door activity, like paint balling. That's what parks are for. And the Budweiser amphitheater is goin up on the other side of the bayou. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsatyr Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Settling for paintball, which I love, is just selling the place short. A place that aesthetically appealing deserves more respect than that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rellott Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) I was thinkin something similar to the Rothko... "The Underpass Chapel"? Yeah? Yeah? Anybody? hehe Edited March 26, 2014 by rellott 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I disagree - those might destroy the essance of what this is / the vibe... Would these really be feasable? I think there would be a risk to the safety of those in there if they were running around / all that might hurt the integrity of the structure or something. The could do installations there / keep it a spiritual place / a place to go for those seeking a spiritual escape. let people in and allow them to use it the way they see fit.is there really an essence/vibe to a place if no one is ever in there to experience it? what do you think would be more popular, an underground cistern, or an underground paintball field in the middle of the city? the underground cistern open to the public as is may be popular with certain crowds.. but they probably arent the crowds you want to attract (homeless people, drug dealers, ect). people running around shooting paintballs (or lasers) might hurt the integrity of the structure? of course the concrete poles would be covered, which brings me to my next point. the place would be completely shielded from the paintballs/protected to protect any "essence/vibe" or w/e they may want to eventually bring back.James Turrells places can be pretty spiritual.. have him cut out a bunch of holes in the roof (filled in with thick glass panels so people could walk on top of it/use the performance lawn space above) letting light in through certain points, ect, setting an ambience to the place.. just do what he does best. Settling for paintball, which I love, is just selling the place short. A place that aesthetically appealing deserves more respect than that.selling the place short? its an old underground reservoir... i didnt realize it was very aesthetically appealing. like i mentioned, the place would likely be completely covered in padding/w.e to protect the people from injuring themselves, and that would shield the structure from any "damage", preserving it in its original state. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 is there really an essence/vibe to a place if no one is ever in there to experience it? what do you think would be more popular, an underground cistern, or an underground paintball field in the middle of the city? the underground cistern open to the public as is may be popular with certain crowds.. but they probably arent the crowds you want to attract (homeless people, drug dealers, ect). people running around shooting paintballs (or lasers) might hurt the integrity of the structure? of course the concrete poles would be covered, which brings me to my next point. the place would be completely shielded from the paintballs/protected to protect any "essence/vibe" or w/e they may want to eventually bring back.James Turrells places can be pretty spiritual.. have him cut out a bunch of holes in the roof (filled in with thick glass panels so people could walk on top of it/use the performance lawn space above) letting light in through certain points, ect, setting an ambience to the place.. just do what he does best.selling the place short? its an old underground reservoir... i didnt realize it was very aesthetically appealing. like i mentioned, the place would likely be completely covered in padding/w.e to protect the people from injuring themselves, and that would shield the structure from any "damage", preserving it in its original state.Or a night club. But I agree opening a dark underground space to the general public might attract undesirables. (It would be the drug dealers, not the homeless I'm worried about).I thought there were ideas floating around. I really like the paintball idea. You have to go to the far flung suburbs for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 You have to go to the far flung suburbs for that.yep.. one of the same reasons i want a TopGolf (and a public sports complex for the downtown residents because there would still be quite a good chunk of room left, and there currently is only one basketball court and a few private tennis courts downtown), on the roof of the convention center (all that wasted space downtown [rooftop or not, its a massive area that could be utilized] could be put to use for more entertainment for the local residents and to draw people in/help make downtown a destination). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerloop Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Indoor putt-putt golf and, if the support columns are far enough apart, indoor electric go-karts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skwatra Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 is there really an essence/vibe to a place if no one is ever in there to experience it? what do you think would be more popular, an underground cistern, or an underground paintball field in the middle of the city? the underground cistern open to the public as is may be popular with certain crowds.. but they probably arent the crowds you want to attract (homeless people, drug dealers, ect). selling the place short? its an old underground reservoir... i didnt realize it was very aesthetically appealing. like i mentioned, the place would likely be completely covered in padding/w.e to protect the people from injuring themselves, and that would shield the structure from any "damage", preserving it in its original state. This is one of the top tourist destinations in Istanbul:http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g293974-d294555-Reviews-Basilica_Cistern-Istanbul.html Ok, ours isn't 1500 years old and probably doesn't compare, but I paid to get in just to walk through (small fee) and they hold benefits and concerts down there all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
por favor gracias Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 This is one of the top tourist destinations in Istanbul:http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g293974-d294555-Reviews-Basilica_Cistern-Istanbul.html Ok, ours isn't 1500 years old and probably doesn't compare, but I paid to get in just to walk through (small fee) and they hold benefits and concerts down there all the time. Wish we had more architecture like that here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchFan Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) Very cool. A Turkish geophysicist I know told me about discovering a similar cistern under the Hagia Sofia in Istanbul (which started out as an Eastern Orthodox Church before it became a mosque). Our cistern isn't in that class, but it would be nice to preserve it in whatever way we can. We've already lost so much physical evidence of the community Houston was in its early years. Even we locals tend to assume nothing ever happened here, but from time to time I read about unexpected events and things that are worth remembering. Edited March 27, 2014 by ArchFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Very cool. A Turkish geophysicist I know told me about discovering a similar cistern under the Hagia Sofia in Istanbul (which started out as an Eastern Orthodox Church before it became a mosque). Our cistern isn't in that class, but it would be nice to preserve it in whatever way we can. We've already lost so much physical evidence of the community Houston was in its early years. Even we locals tend to assume nothing ever happened here, but from time to time I read about unexpected events and things that are worth remembering.It's still a Greek church if you ask me, or any orthodox person. It is disgusting to see what they did to those icons 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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