kylejack Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Perhaps some of the problem lies in advertisement? No one that I've spoken to (around Galv Co.) about the development even knows it exists. I'm only aware of it because I'm a HAIF geek.I think they're waiting until they have something to advertise. Once they get some bars, I can see them throwing out some advertising, because it will then be a place where you can go for dinner followed by drinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Well I have a little bit of bad news(well a lot of terrible news really)...walked around this evening with some friends and workers were boarding up the "previous" Lids store...and then we walked past Journeys and saw they had tons of boxes of inventory, but upon further look it turns out they're mailing product out to other stores...so it looks like they'll be boarding that one up pretty soon. I really hope the restaurants can weather out this recession and hopefully we won't see any more stores close before this topic moves out of the "Going Up" category Wow, that was fast. What kind of lease lets you leave after only 4 months. Must have been worth paying the penalty than wasting money with rent and employees. It would be interesting to see what kind of daily sales Lids had. $0 some days? Just went to their website too, and there are no references to the HP location in Houston anymore. The Pavilions deserve a "E! True Hollywood" type documentary. The rise and fall of a development within 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.S.O.N. Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I think they're waiting until they have something to advertise. Once they get some bars, I can see them throwing out some advertising, because it will then be a place where you can go for dinner followed by drinks. Gotcha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Also, who wants to pay ten dollars for parking to go buy some shoes when there are few other retail offerings in the area?Too true. If it where me, I'd create a "seasons of Houston" store to appeal to all the festivals and big events that we have here. Have some of the normal tourist stuff like NASA collectibles, Texas junk. But then you also have a current calendar of all the stuff going on in the city, like a events planner for visitors. The seasonal display would feature big events like the Bayou City Arts Festival, Art Car Parade, or the Rodeo... I bet a lot of people would love to go to a "Rodeo Ready shop where they can get all of their Western gear in one place. That's the kind of stuff that would do well in Houston Pavilions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 They need to validate parking if you dine or shop in the stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Also, who wants to pay ten dollars for parking to go buy some shoes when there are few other retail offerings in the area?BINGO. Which means they should focus on:I think they're waiting until they have something to advertise. Once they get some bars, I can see them throwing out some advertising, because it will then be a place where you can go for dinner followed by drinks...which I think would better suit downtown and give people more motivation to park (think: Village Arcade parking garage). In the meantime..From what I can tell, B-A-M is hanging in there... no crowds of people flocking to it, but they have been making some sales. I still maintain that even in its sucky and incomplete state, HP is a good move for Downtown. We have enough Convention business to warrant some form of RETAIL that stays open past 6pm. I'm really sorry to see Lidz and Journeys go, but this is an opportunity for HP to rethink its retail scheme, and try to lure some more suitable tenants. I'm happy that they took a chance and built this thing... at least we've got a glut of retail space in downtown now. They're going to have to rethink the look of it tho. HOB, B-A-M and XXI all benefit from having some street-facing signage, and I truly think this is what killed Lidz and Journeys. You literally don't know how to get to those stores, and no one is going to find them unless they walk the whole length of the complex. If HP wants consumers for the non-anchor stores, they're going to have to get to signs that reflect the store's location.I do want the Pavilions to succeed! I think most national chains that attempt to open here are coming in knowing they won't turn a profit for a while. I think the hope is that once they do start making money, they'll be in on the ground floor and won't have to worry about inflated rents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I do want the Pavilions to succeed! I think most national chains that attempt to open here are coming in knowing they won't turn a profit for a while. I think the hope is that once they do start making money, they'll be in on the ground floor and won't have to worry about inflated rents.You could look at it that way, or you could look at it from the perspective of tenants that opened on time, that they already locked in a relatively high rent for space in a super-premium anchored shopping center, except that it turned out not to draw super-premium volumes of traffic because the anchors weren't in place as planned and because the economy turned out to be sucky, with many corporations downtown making or contemplating layoffs. Plus, they probably had an escalation clause in their lease pegging the annual increase in rent to some measure of inflation, which looks to be pretty high in the coming couple of years.And I don't know what the financial condition of the developer is, but I do know that occupancy is not where they wanted it to be and I also know that most retail owners and developers are hurting right now and have been for a while now. That is to say, their willingness and ability to renegotiate leases here so as to retain struggling tenants may be impaired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I kind of chuckle that the only people you see wandering around HP some time is significant security staff. Ah, HP had such high hopes of massive attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Well, at least its not a parking lot, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) live sports bar also shut down for failure to pay rent. surprising cause they've actually hung in there for a good while. Edited February 12, 2009 by musicman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 live sports bar also shut down for failure to pay rent. surprising cause they've actually hung in there for a good while.Hold on, that doesn't make sense. The owners of Live own that building, last I heard. Maybe the bank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Hold on, that doesn't make sense. The owners of Live own that building, last I heard. Maybe the bank?not sure. that was the email i got yesterday. i guess it had just happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Well, at least its not a parking lot, right?I'd rather that--and that the City got to keep its many millions of dollars of subsidy--than that we end up with a low-rise shopping center with excessive vacancy on sites where highrises should have one day gone.But then, I've been saying that for years now and nobody has taken me seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 not sure. that was the email i got yesterday. i guess it had just happened.I used to do some promotional things for them (running free poker tournament) and I understood that they owned the building and only a small portion of the adjoining parking lot. Maybe a repo. Anyway, I find this news kind of surprising. They usually had a pretty good crowd, particularly weekends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 ...The Pavilions deserve a "E! True Hollywood" type documentary. The rise and fall of a development within 3 Months.There... I fixed it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 There... I fixed it for you. Well, I was kinda going back to when it kicked off in 2006. But ya, it is falling apart quickly. Maybe we should prepare an entry on deadmalls.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 live sports bar also shut down for failure to pay rent. surprising cause they've actually hung in there for a good while.Wait a minute wait a minute... there was a SPORTS bar in there? Really???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) Wait a minute wait a minute... there was a SPORTS bar in there? Really????Nope, he's talking about on Main Street at Preston, across the street from Mia Bella, Notsuoh, and Dean's Credit Clothing. Many many bars have failed in this immediate area, but Live Sports Cafe managed to hang on for a long time. Edited February 12, 2009 by kylejack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tierwestah Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 BTW... it looks like Lucky Strike has postponed to Summer 09, and they've decreased the staff at Houston Pavilions. I hate job cuts!!! where did you hear that? The article just said it was on hold. No date or anything, which leads me to believe that it might end up being a D.O.A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I liked the idea of the Pavilions that was first proposed.I don't much care for the current project although quite a few folks I know have enjoyed the HOB.That said, I think it's still too early to write it off as a disaster. Seriously, how big of a deal is it to lose Lids? You can find that store anywhere including airport terminals. That was NOT a destination store to put it mildly. Now, IF Lucky Strike or some variation of it doesn't get built, then we can start to talk. If that fails to go in, then there will be serious trouble because that was a unique venue that would have drawn people to the development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSky Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I liked the idea of the Pavilions that was first proposed.I don't much care for the current project although quite a few folks I know have enjoyed the HOB.That said, I think it's still too early to write it off as a disaster. Seriously, how big of a deal is it to lose Lids? You can find that store anywhere including airport terminals. That was NOT a destination store to put it mildly. Now, IF Lucky Strike or some variation of it doesn't get built, then we can start to talk. If that fails to go in, then there will be serious trouble because that was a unique venue that would have drawn people to the development.Agreed...Lucky Strike's needs to go through, and frankly HP should look at investing. They need Lucky Strike for this thing to be a success or have any ability for it to succeed. LS was a significant differentiator for this development and it would have been enough of a night time draw for 21+ crowd that did not want to go to the bar or did not like the performers at HOB....I hate to say it but that was one of the critical pieces to this entire deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Judah Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Opening next month:Cork Wine BarThe Board Room (bar)Opening in next 2 months:Andalucias TapasMia BellaYao RestaurantJuly:III Forks (steakhouse)Any news on Polk St Grill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimberlySayWhat Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Does anyone know where the 99 cent store is going to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I think they should put in some night clubs. I would like that, It would be like Club Poetry in Las Vegas, it in that expensive mall/Casino, I forgot the name, but it looks like your outside because the ceiling is like a sky and gets dark at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I think they should put in some night clubs. I would like that, It would be like Club Poetry in Las Vegas, it in that expensive mall/Casino, I forgot the name, but it looks like your outside because the ceiling is like a sky and gets dark at night.Night clubs are probably reluctant to enter downtown Houston with all the night clubs that went under on Main St. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonartstudent Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I think they should put in some night clubs. I would like that, It would be like Club Poetry in Las Vegas, it in that expensive mall/Casino, I forgot the name, but it looks like your outside because the ceiling is like a sky and gets dark at night. half the "mall/casinos" in Vegas have a painted/lit sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 half the "mall/casinos" in Vegas have a painted/lit sky Houston should legalize gambling and let HP be the first casino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Houston should legalize gambling and let HP be the first casino.houston doesn't have that power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 houston doesn't have that power.Houston should secede from The People's Republic of Rick Perry and declare war on that tyrant. Then Houston can declare itself the new headquarters for recreation and debauchery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Does anyone know where the 99 cent store is going to go?Right next to the check cashing place and the 24-hour bail bonds place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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