sevfiv Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Did the Burger King on the corner of Travis and Capitol finally kick the bucket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Did the Burger King on the corner of Travis and Capitol finally kick the bucket?Yeah, a year or more ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Yeah, a year or more ago. Wow - guess I haven't been paying attention Did anything take its place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Wow - guess I haven't been paying attention Did anything take its place? It sat empty and sad for a long time, but I haven't been over that way in a while, so I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tierwestah Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Man this a damn shame. I was wondering why the one thing i was looking forward to was taking so long and kept getting pushed back. I'm just wondering how the development ran out of funding when they backed out on building the condos that were supposed to be built over the thing. They didn't have to pay back the 154 million that they secured on the original plans before it was scaled down. What gives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Man this a damn shame. I was wondering why the one thing i was looking forward to was taking so long and kept getting pushed back. I'm just wondering how the development ran out of funding when they backed out on building the condos that were supposed to be built over the thing. They didn't have to pay back the 154 million that they secured on the original plans before it was scaled down. What gives?Because HP can't control whether or not their potential tenants move in and complete their own construction. HP's capital has nothing to do with Lucky Strike securing enough capital to complete construction of the bowling alley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 So right now, HP is surviving solely because of the House of Blues and XXI. The other stores aren't making enough to bereak even yet. HOB and XXI probably haven't yet either, but at least they're getting close. Poor Lidz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) So right now, HP is surviving solely because of the House of Blues and XXI. The other stores aren't making enough to bereak even yet. HOB and XXI probably haven't yet either, but at least they're getting close. Poor Lidz.Well, the bookstore and Guadalajara and McCormick are paying rent to HP whether they are breaking even or not. McCormick is probably making money, though. Can be very busy at happy hour. Edited February 10, 2009 by kylejack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb320 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I'm almost positive that Burger King is not closed. The last time I went was after the hurricane and it was packed with construction workers. On any given day, it's usually packed with office workers. One time Drayton McLane was behind me in line - nice guy.I brought my lunch, but it looks like I'll be having a Whopper now (if they're open). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Hm, am I thinking of the wrong location...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) Hm, am I thinking of the wrong location...?the one at congress and fannin closed in the last yr or so. Edited February 10, 2009 by musicman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 So right now, HP is surviving solely because of the House of Blues and XXI. The other stores aren't making enough to bereak even yet. HOB and XXI probably haven't yet either, but at least they're getting close. Poor Lidz.If only they had better crafted their business strategy to not sell only lids and miscellaneous knick-knacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb320 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Hm, am I thinking of the wrong location...?Street level of the Houston Club building, south of Chase Tower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Oops :X Yep, I was thinking of the one that closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb320 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Oops :X Yep, I was thinking of the one that closed.Mmmm, Whopper = good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Judah Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) But I love the Smoothie King!I much prefer Jamba Juice to Smoothie King. They're not even on the same level, imho. Comparing Smoothie King to a Burger King shake is about right. Edited February 10, 2009 by N Judah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonartstudent Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Well I have a little bit of bad news(well a lot of terrible news really)...walked around this evening with some friends and workers were boarding up the "previous" Lids store...and then we walked past Journeys and saw they had tons of boxes of inventory, but upon further look it turns out they're mailing product out to other stores...so it looks like they'll be boarding that one up pretty soon. I really hope the restaurants can weather out this recession and hopefully we won't see any more stores close before this topic moves out of the "Going Up" category Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSky Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Well I have a little bit of bad news(well a lot of terrible news really)...walked around this evening with some friends and workers were boarding up the "previous" Lids store...and then we walked past Journeys and saw they had tons of boxes of inventory, but upon further look it turns out they're mailing product out to other stores...so it looks like they'll be boarding that one up pretty soon. I really hope the restaurants can weather out this recession and hopefully we won't see any more stores close before this topic moves out of the "Going Up" category To me, it was silly to have them placed where they were...They should have had them next to Forever XXI to build up some critical mass. In addition, those two stores is not the correct clientele for HP and the Downtown crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Well I have a little bit of bad news(well a lot of terrible news really)...walked around this evening with some friends and workers were boarding up the "previous" Lids store...and then we walked past Journeys and saw they had tons of boxes of inventory, but upon further look it turns out they're mailing product out to other stores...so it looks like they'll be boarding that one up pretty soon? I really hope the restaurants can weather out this recession and hopefully we won't see any more stores close before this topic moves out of the "Going Up" category. Dear lord... :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I really think Lids and Journeys would have fared better if all the original stores had launched as planned. Bah, credit markets and Ike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C2H Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) man, this sucks, first lucky strike backs out, now lidz, and soon to follow... Journeys??? Any good news going to happen soon? Edited February 12, 2009 by C2H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 According to CNBC....No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Opening next month:Cork Wine BarThe Board Room (bar)Opening in next 2 months:Andalucias TapasMia BellaYao RestaurantJuly:III Forks (steakhouse) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonartstudent Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Opening next month:Cork Wine Bar The Board Room (bar) Opening in next 2 months: Andalucias Tapas Mia Bella Yao Restaurant July: III Forks (steakhouse) Closing in 3 months: BCBG Max Books-A-Million etc. etc. Just kidding of course...I really am hoping for the best, we're just lucky the Pavilions altogether was built rather than being postponed and scraped completely. I predict the restaurants won't be a huge hit right now...but they'll more than likely survive...and in 1-2 years the retail will follow and this place will get exciting again! For now let's do our part and dine at the places we want to keep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I do not care for McCormick and Schmick's, so I'm holding out hope for Guadalajara, the tapas place, and Yao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) This should have been expected - recession or not. These type of developments are not organic, and when implanted in areas where there is no real NEED (not want or desire) they always fail. The difference will be whether the management company will be smart enough to do like the Park Shops and rebound with parcels that cater to the downtown day-time crowd, eg. restaurants & service oriented businesses. Retail will suffer here until the residential element grows. Edited February 12, 2009 by Jeebus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Don't really think HP has the option to go after day-timers, because they chose not to do (or were not able to get) a tunnel connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) This should have been expected - recession or not. These type of developments are not organic, and when implanted in areas where there is no real NEED (not want or desire) they always fail. The difference will be whether the management company will be smart enough to do like the Park Shops and rebound with parcels that cater to the downtown day-time crowd, eg. restaurants & service oriented businesses. Retail will suffer here until the residential element grows.From what I can tell, B-A-M is hanging in there... no crowds of people flocking to it, but they have been making some sales. I still maintain that even in its sucky and incomplete state, HP is a good move for Downtown. We have enough Convention business to warrant some form of RETAIL that stays open past 6pm. I'm really sorry to see Lidz and Journeys go, but this is an opportunity for HP to rethink its retail scheme, and try to lure some more suitable tenants. I'm happy that they took a chance and built this thing... at least we've got a glut of retail space in downtown now. They're going to have to rethink the look of it tho. HOB, B-A-M and XXI all benefit from having some street-facing signage, and I truly think this is what killed Lidz and Journeys. You literally don't know how to get to those stores, and no one is going to find them unless they walk the whole length of the complex. If HP wants consumers for the non-anchor stores, they're going to have to get to signs that reflect the store's location.BTW... it looks like Lucky Strike has postponed to Summer 09, and they've decreased the staff at Houston Pavilions. I hate job cuts!!! Edited February 12, 2009 by totheskies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 They're going to have to rethink the look of it tho. HOB, B-A-M and XXI all benefit from having some street-facing signage, and I truly think this is what killed Lidz and Journeys. You literally don't know how to get to those stores, and no one is going to find them unless they walk the whole length of the complex.Also, who wants to pay ten dollars for parking to go buy some shoes when there are few other retail offerings in the area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.S.O.N. Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Perhaps some of the problem lies in advertisement? No one that I've spoken to (around Galv Co.) about the development even knows it exists. I'm only aware of it because I'm a HAIF geek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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