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Is this new? Buffalo Bayou East Master Plan

I tell you what I missed when I lived in Boston... spring in February. Houston sure looks good with azaleas in bloom and trees budding. You had to wait until May for Spring to hit Boston.   

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I thought the "South Canal" was just the current course of Buffalo Bayou, downstream of where White Oak Bayou joins it.  Is that right?  If its not, where would the current channel be in the rendering above?

 

While I wish we wouldn't have to deal with the "Little Alcatraz" aspect of the island, I think the greatest benefit provided by the canal would be flood control.  And ... perhaps it would not be impossible to make the banks of both channels attractive to people, especially once a lot more people live in the area who are free to move about :-)

 

 

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I thought the "South Canal" was just the current course of Buffalo Bayou, downstream of where White Oak Bayou joins it. Is that right? If its not, where would the current channel be in the rendering above?

While I wish we wouldn't have to deal with the "Little Alcatraz" aspect of the island, I think the greatest benefit provided by the canal would be flood control. And ... perhaps it would not be impossible to make the banks of both channels attractive to people, especially once a lot more people live in the area who are free to move about :-)

From the image it looks like two islands are made. There are two bends.

One around the jail that resulted from the bayou looping south.

The second one loops north, right after the jail. Looks like the south connection runs from Labranch, past 59 to Jensen. Not sure though. Can't really tell from the small pic.

Edit: the south canal looks much smaller than the north canal. It looks like the south canal will be more for boosting development than flood control than the north canal. That area north of Minute Maid does need some help

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It looks like the connection work from Sesquicentennial Park to Allen's Landing has begun:

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Will this Downtown section and Allen's Landing also be outfitted with the Blue Lunar lighting fixtures also?

Will be interesting to see how the Post Office site's redevelopment may possibly tie into this portion of the bayou... could be a game-changer.

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Note:  The South Canal is much longer, and serves as a visual for a much greater length than does the North Canal.  Obviously the North Canal will probably happen first, and would be a great addition to the formal area known as Downtown (I honestly do not consider anything the other side of Buffalo or White Oak Bayous to be Downtown).  Both would serve as flood control based on what the BBP has said in documents/online/what have you.

 

If I am remembering correctly - the Buffalo Bayou Partnership presented the Master Plan post Tropical Storm Allison?  So any large development mentioned at that time was quite clear to have adequate verbiage dedicated to flood control.  Much of the BBP Master Plan is dedicated to flood control with the neighborhoods being proposed around the bayou being mentioned as having porous street surfaces, water basins and storage throughout the site(s) along with new parkscape where water can flood as a natural event without really causing damage.

 

Personally I've long considered the potential arboretum component built at the old wastewater treatment facility east of Downtown as one of the highlights of the whole plan.

 

As an aside:  I find this whole project very exciting.  The fact that it is actually happening is beyond amazing in this town of big talk and small work.  Truly estactic about this!  In 20 years we will have a continuous park system along this whole bayou that has cultural/economic/residential impact for the whole region beyond the turning basin.  Really fun to think of what can be.  What will be.

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the jails will temper any game changing wishes.....doing my best mary catherine gallagher victory splits "GAME CHANGER!"

The south channel seems unlikely...it is a new channel eliminating Ruiz going under 59 and most of Guadalupe Plaza.

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Unlikely at this time, though I believe it is possible in the long term.  Perhaps an alternate route for the canal can be found?

 

The jails temper much of what could/would be the district just north of Downtown across the Bayou.  Would be interesting to see what will come of that land in 20 or 30 years.  Hopefully it won't take nearly that long for those facilities to be relocated elsewhere.  Like someone else proposed earlier (on this topic or another) maybe we could get a highrise jail facility - like Chicago has?  Or build the county facilities elsewhere?  We can wish.

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I don't really have a problem with "Little Alcatraz".  Does making that tract an island really change the development dynamics so that the jails are no longer appropriate for the site?  That said, I do hope that the banks are landscaped as well as the rest of the bayou, although I wouldn't expect a lot of foot traffic there.  

 

 

 

 

Like someone else proposed earlier (on this topic or another) maybe we could get a highrise jail facility - like Chicago has?  

 

And there's an obvious candidate structure too:  high-rise, not adjacent to residential, in need of tenants, centrally located:

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All this development is wonderful! I really should get down there more often. Now if only they moved the Pierce Elevated to 59 and trench both of those over there.....that would be amazing. Then you would have Downtown connect to this development seamlessly as well as future development of the Bayou East (of course you would still have to have 59/45 go over the water in that area (which you could also make a nice bridge for that as well)).

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Posted this on Post Office thread. Since were also discussing "Alcatraz Island" here, thought Id repost here.

Observation: Rendering shows what appears to be the elimination of Franklin St bridge over Buffalo Bayou by rerouting Washinton Ave over some of the Post Office site, then through the middle of North Canal Island to an eventual connection to Runnels/Navigation. Considering the revitalization efforts on both Washington Ave & Navigation Blvd, I'd love if this were to happen and they be connected.

Idea: Since land next to County Jail on Alcatraz Island would be a hard sell to any developer, how about HPD build it's new headquarters and support buildings there. They'd have quick access to 10, 45, and 59 and by next to Criminal Courts as well. And maybe HPD's presence on Alcatraz Island would make it somehow ...less seedy.

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I honestly don't know what to think of this...

 

 

Opposition to bayou erosion project grows louder

 

A $6 million plan to tame a mile-and-a-quarter stretch of Buffalo Bayou is drawing an ever-louder outcry from several prominent environmental and conservation groups who say the project aimed at reducing erosion and improving water quality would only make things worse.

Opposition to the so-called Memorial Park Demonstration Project, targeting a segment of the historic bayou that snakes between Memorial Park's secluded southern edge and the River Oaks Country Club golf course, has grown more vocal as a deadline to submit feedback to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers approaches. The project requires a permit from the Corps.

The agency on Thursday announced it would extend the public comment period by 30 days, until June 30, citing "the complexity of the project studies and stream restoration techniques."

Borne of a 2010 workshop hosted by the Bayou Preservation Association, the project calls for reshaping the banks of the bayou that wind past the posh country club, the Hogg Bird Sanctuary, a residential neighborhood and the southernmost border of the 1,503-acre park.

 

 

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/houston/article/Opposition-to-bayou-erosion-project-grows-louder-5493631.php

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Riding on Sunday and yesterday evening, I saw a few security guards on golf carts on the path. I wonder if that is going to be a normal thing?

 

I saw this too! However, I also saw a couple homeless guys who 'washed' his shirts in the Bayou and had them hanging on a clothes line. 

I've seen him b/f and his little camp seems to be a semi-permanent addition that wasn't necessarily on the master plan.....

 

So whatever the guards are doing, they're not running off the homeless (not that they should, I just assumed that's what they'd do).

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Right now the golf cart guards are mostly staying on the completed section (north bank east of Montrose).  I've been seeing them most days over the last couple weeks.  Presumably they will roam the entire park once the construction is complete.  All they seem to do now is get in the way, though; I've noticed no change in the number of homeless (basically just one guy) over the last year.

 

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There's no reason to chase off homeless people unless they're doing something illegal. It's a public park.

 

 

Is camping in a public park legal?  

 

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My thoughts exactly. I'm pretty sure you can't camp in a public park.

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Here's a photo of the area from yesterday. Excuse the poor photo quality of my cell phone.

 

Isn't FPH Summerfest in like 2 weeks? After walking the park last weekend, IDK if the park is going to be ready.

 

That thing is going to be a dust bowl.

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Summerfest in a week and a half. Not sure how they are going to set it up. There are 6 stages (were there 7 last year?), but they don't have a map or anything yet.

They were really close to pouring concrete on the last of the paths in that area, so that should be ready at least. the new sod will probably get destroyed...

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Summerfest in a week and a half. Not sure how they are going to set it up. There are 6 stages (were there 7 last year?), but they don't have a map or anything yet.

They were really close to pouring concrete on the last of the paths in that area, so that should be ready at least. the new sod will probably get destroyed...

 

Last year, I remember seeing at least some form of work being done for FPSF at this time, but I guess with the bayou construction, they will start next Monday. I'm absolutely excited to go!!  :D

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I've bicycled and walked through the park a few times in the last week, and I'm impressed by the progress so far. There is still a lot of work to be done, but I can see the vision coming to fruition. I really like the separate paths for runners to help break up the traffic, and also the use of native grasses and wildflowers along the section just west of the skate park next to the bayou. 

 

What most surprises me is just how popular the trails have suddenly become. I've been using this park for well over a decade and remember times where nobody else was visible on the trails. Now it feels like the running trail at Memorial Park, except with a mix of cyclists and runners doing a fitness circuit. Part of me misses the solitude and peace of the old park, as it feels like an outdoor gym now, only much prettier and with nicer trails.  

 

Riding on Sunday and yesterday evening, I saw a few security guards on golf carts on the path. I wonder if that is going to be a normal thing?

 

I haven't noticed this, but it's strange that they would ride golf carts on the paths. Given how busy the path is during peak times, I'd think they would ride bicycles or even Segways.

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I've bicycled and walked through the park a few times in the last week, and I'm impressed by the progress so far. There is still a lot of work to be done, but I can see the vision coming to fruition. I really like the separate paths for runners to help break up the traffic, and also the use of native grasses and wildflowers along the section just west of the skate park next to the bayou. 

 

What most surprises me is just how popular the trails have suddenly become. I've been using this park for well over a decade and remember times where nobody else was visible on the trails. Now it feels like the running trail at Memorial Park, except with a mix of cyclists and runners doing a fitness circuit. Part of me misses the solitude and peace of the old park, as it feels like an outdoor gym now, only much prettier and with nicer trails.  

 

 

I haven't noticed this, but it's strange that they would ride golf carts on the paths. Given how busy the path is during peak times, I'd think they would ride bicycles or even Segways.

 

I notice that as well. LOTS of people were out on Saturday.

 

My guess is that the park will become a lot more solitary the higher the mercury goes...

 

We've been blessed w/ unusually cool weather this year that's lasted longer into the year. 

 

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I could go on but you get the idea.

 

This is all on the NOAA's website. Always a cool resource if you're into that kind of thing... nerd.

 

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/hgx/?n=climate_graphs_iah

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What most surprises me is just how popular the trails have suddenly become. I've been using this park for well over a decade and remember times where nobody else was visible on the trails. Now it feels like the running trail at Memorial Park, except with a mix of cyclists and runners doing a fitness circuit. Part of me misses the solitude and peace of the old park, as it feels like an outdoor gym now, only much prettier and with nicer trails.  

 

I haven't noticed this, but it's strange that they would ride golf carts on the paths. Given how busy the path is during peak times, I'd think they would ride bicycles or even Segways.

I'm in the exact same position, i moved to the area and started biking that area in 2003. I actually liked that it was rustic, there was not great path for road bikes, and it wasn't crowded. But its hard to complain about how much they have done, creating an asset for the city.

 

For the security, I'm sure cost is a factor. Segways would be tough for that reason. Most rental security (i have come across) are way too lazy for bikes. though i like both of those ideas.

I've seen HPD on horses in the areas closer to downtown on occasion. but that's different of course.

The ones i saw would just stop when I was coming to make sure I can avoid them, and they were on the edge of the path - so they were as courteous as possible. But they did take up most of the path and cause traffic jams a few times.

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Here are two images that I took today with Ipad sorry for quality.

I'm sorry but I looked and couldn't find the thread for the coffee bldg. at Allens Landing but this is from today. I didn't realize they were going to strip it completely to the floors.

 

The second is a somewhat discouraging looking Welcome to Houston entry right on the bayou coming in from I-10.

To me this is one ugly uninviting welcome matt. I think the city needs to have a competition and create a new more inviting welcome . Since this is right in front of the bayou which runs below. post-7092-0-92860000-1400704191_thumb.jppost-7092-0-88868400-1400704163_thumb.jp

 

 

 

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It cut off the rest of my message, but what I was suggesting is some kind of tall water feature shooting up out of the bayou that would be lit and have different heights and shapes of water. Whatever i think we ought to at least get rid of the ugly wall.

Besides you cant even read the Welcome To Houston on top and it just looks weak.

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Here are two images that I took today with Ipad sorry for quality.

I'm sorry but I looked and couldn't find the thread for the coffee bldg. at Allens Landing but this is from today. I didn't realize they were going to strip it completely to the floors.

 

The second is a somewhat discouraging looking Welcome to Houston entry right on the bayou coming in from I-10.

To me this is one ugly uninviting welcome matt. I think the city needs to have a competition and create a new more inviting welcome . Since this is right in front of the bayou which runs below. [attachment=4926:stripped coffee bldg..I think there should be some kind of very tall water feature i.e. a fountain or something that is a little more creative than a concrete window wall. It is just down right ugly.

 

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http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/1299-sunset-coffee-building-allens-landing/page-7

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Here are two images that I took today with Ipad sorry for quality.

I'm sorry but I looked and couldn't find the thread for the coffee bldg. at Allens Landing but this is from today. I didn't realize they were going to strip it completely to the floors.

 

The second is a somewhat discouraging looking Welcome to Houston entry right on the bayou coming in from I-10.

To me this is one ugly uninviting welcome matt. I think the city needs to have a competition and create a new more inviting welcome . Since this is right in front of the bayou which runs below. [attachment=4926:stripped coffee bldg..I think there should be some kind of very tall water feature i.e. a fountain or something that is a little more creative than a concrete window wall. It is just down right ugly.

 

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Yeah, I would agree that the "Welcome to Houston" sign hasn't aged well.  Time for a new idea.

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Here are two images that I took today with Ipad sorry for quality.

I'm sorry but I looked and couldn't find the thread for the coffee bldg. at Allens Landing but this is from today. I didn't realize they were going to strip it completely to the floors.

 

The second is a somewhat discouraging looking Welcome to Houston entry right on the bayou coming in from I-10.

To me this is one ugly uninviting welcome matt. I think the city needs to have a competition and create a new more inviting welcome . Since this is right in front of the bayou which runs below. [attachment=4926:stripped coffee bldg..I think there should be some kind of very tall water feature i.e. a fountain or something that is a little more creative than a concrete window wall. It is just down right ugly.

 

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There are letters on the sign in the last pic?!

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The sign says welcome to Houston, but its almost impossible to read. It looks like part of the bridge superstructure, Like a last second thought.

I think they ought to take it down and rethink the entry to the city. At least the entry at Bush is colorful and I think pretty nice.Especially at night when lit. I know in the larger realm of things this isn't very high on the list but come on we can do better than this.

I vote for some kind of water feature like the artist Olafur Eliasson created in the Hudson River or something along those lines. Something that brings attention to the bayou downtown to link the city to the bayou. Not only would it be attractive but it would generate more interest in people coming down and touring this urban stretch of the bayou on over to Allens Landing.

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The sign says welcome to Houston, but its almost impossible to read. It looks like part of the bridge superstructure, Like a last second thought.

I think they ought to take it down and rethink the entry to the city. At least the entry at Bush is colorful and I think pretty nice.Especially at night when lit. I know in the larger realm of things this isn't very high on the list but come on we can do better than this.

I vote for some kind of water feature like the artist Olafur Eliasson created in the Hudson River or something along those lines. Something that brings attention to the bayou downtown to link the city to the bayou. Not only would it be attractive but it would generate more interest in people coming down and touring this urban stretch of the bayou on over to Allens Landing.

There is no official entrance to Downtown, other than this weathered concrete structure. I think most of the people exiting off I-10/45 HOV that see this sign are commuters. It's a ugly intersection as the roads completely cover/block out the sun on the Bayou. Things might change when we see more people living Downtown.

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Rent-a-fence for FPSF was being put up yesterday, just east of the Fed (same entrance as always). They were building a huge stage in front of that new structure, i'll post pics later.

also saw 100+ planters with plants and small trees just east of the tolerance sculptures that should be going in. Dog park is moving along nicely as well, they have put in a few structures there.

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