iah77 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 15 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said: Wow who are they kidding with that bs? Now don't get me wrong, this will still be great because it is more of a dedicated entrance but damn. Hopefully as foot traffic increases and Brookfield gets their head out of their ass, they could always upgrade the rest. I mean I do think the interior renovation still looks significan and it seems to open it up a lot more in their defence? I woudn't exaclty call it a light cosmetic renovation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) Is this rhetorical question posting format a little irritating? Yes Am I going to do it anyway? Yes Is this renovation effort reminiscent of something you'd see in a last half-hearted attempt to save a 70's mall in Fort Wayne, Indiana? Yes Will the building continue to look just about as ugly as it ever did? Yes Does this signal that Brookfield does not see a bright future for Houston Center given disappointing leasing results following the last wave of money they just spent, and is deciding to shift their money elsewhere? Probably Or could it be that they are just pulling back from office investments in general in the wake of the pandemic? Probably some of that too Am I still glad that they hit it out of the park on the other side of the street? You bet Will this joke of a renovation diminish the effect of the renovation across the street? Kinda, sadly Will anyone shop here who doesn't work in Houston Center? Not likely Am I able to end this post and just hit Submit Reply and move on? Not yet Is there something helpful I can still add at this point? Why yes, there is. From Costar: The developer has hired global architecture and design firm Gensler as the project architect for Houston Center’s retail space. Renovation costs were not disclosed. A permit filed with the state shows Brookfield Properties is spending nearly $26.6 million to renovate 98,427 square feet on retail levels 1-4 at 1200 McKinney. Edited November 19, 2021 by H-Town Man 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hindesky Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 One of the new venues to be in the redevelopment, Puttshack. https://www.puttshack.com/find-a-location/houston 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tigereye Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Tejas Grill is closing Thursday, per a friend of mine who worked there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 No insider info but a part of me thinks the scaled back plans mean they have bigger long term plans for the 4HC site. Granted, I'm talking 10+ yrs down the road but still. The problem w the building is that as currently configured they'll never be able to maximize rents, especially on office space, without a MASSIVE capital commitment, the kind of capital commitment that would make demolishing and redeveloping a more lucrative long term investment. Just my opinion. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 On 12/27/2021 at 6:24 PM, swtsig said: No insider info but a part of me thinks the scaled back plans mean they have bigger long term plans for the 4HC site. Granted, I'm talking 10+ yrs down the road but still. The problem w the building is that as currently configured they'll never be able to maximize rents, especially on office space, without a MASSIVE capital commitment, the kind of capital commitment that would make demolishing and redeveloping a more lucrative long term investment. Just my opinion. 4 Houston Center is 986,000 SF and sits on two full blocks. Using the land price per square foot from the Skanska land sale, the land is worth at least $56 million, probably a lot more given the better location. But just taking the $56 million, the building would have to be worth about $57/SF or less for them to demolish, probably more like $50/SF to cover demo cost and entrepreneurial incentive. Best comp for the building's value is probably 1111 Fannin, which sold last year for $69/SF, although this building is probably worth a bit more (but so is the land). So... yeah. In 10 years, as the building gets more obsolete and the land value goes up, this could be a redevelopment. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Permits for Puttshack. Design architects - https://www.chipman.design 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcal Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Looking forward to this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Brookfield announces 3 Houston Center renovation https://houston.culturemap.com/news/real-estate/03-23-22-3-houston-center-downtown-renovation-updates-brookfield-properties/?fbclid=IwAR2dZi3V0hkRqrerUhcWKHG3OKGdvdks9wypGC-GuaPiRTpy0rotMRsg2AQ 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eastdwntwn Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I walked through the Shops yesterday and they are full steam ahead on all the renovations inside. I will try and snap a picture the next time I am there. Wanted to let the folks know that regularly update the forum. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 On 5/4/2022 at 12:11 PM, Eastdwntwn said: I walked through the Shops yesterday and they are full steam ahead on all the renovations inside. I will try and snap a picture the next time I am there. Wanted to let the folks know that regularly update the forum. I walked through last week, and the few remaining retailers must be getting massive rent abatements. Except for lunch hour, the place is a ghost town. And even during lunch, in my estimation, foot traffic is 10% of what it was before construction started. As you said, construction is full steam ahead. It's noisy and confusing, and dark in many places. And unless you know to go past the old entrance to the end of the block, then go back toward the old entrance and duck under the scaffolding and barriers to go through what used to be a fire exit, in order to get in — you're not going in. I've seen several people wandering around looking for the entrance. I don't think they ever found it. This project is long overdue, but man it's painful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X.R. Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) Most of my networking lunches are in the Shops, so I'm glad this is getting done and hopefully it stops feeling like a run down mall from the 90s. Before the reno, it had big Almeda Mall vibes to it. I agree with @editor. This thing will always have business because of the entities that office in the surrounding buildings, and because of STCL, but man this shoulda been done like 5 years ago. I'm not asking for anything crazy, given how long its been the same, just open up the sides a bit to provide inviting entrances, add some glass, get two bar/food places going with decent outside space and I promise you 100% those businesses would do well. It close to the hotel, close enough to discovery green, they get tons of people walking outside of it, but it just looks like a fortress. If you gave North Italia, for example, a sweetheart deal and just put glass on a wall like the original renderings showed with some covered outdoor seating I know 50 attorneys and accountants that would be there yesterday. What a strange development. Edit: If they did the North Italia thing, people would definitely have their networking events there as opposed to Adairs on Lousiana or some similar place. Counterpoint is that they actually have done wonderful work in the office buildings, so they do know how to do renos right. I'm hoping for the best. Edited May 6, 2022 by X.R. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Amlaham Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 Is there going to be any renovations taking place on the Lamar st portion of this building or are the renovations strictly on the McKinney side? Just curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sapo2367 Posted May 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 24, 2022 Had lunch inside today, from the top level you get a nice view of the interior construction. It was still bustling with office workers getting food. 12 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Today (June 13, 2022): Nothing says "Hey, wheelchair person! Go be handicapped somewhere else!" quite like having no elevator access. There's also no escalator access. Even able-bodied people have to hoof it up 65 stairs (I counted) to get to the retail space. In some cities, that would be a big fat fine. Imposed daily. And eventually a "cease work" order imposed by the buildings department, and the department of civil rights until proper accommodation was made for all citizens. But in Houston, it's just, "Sucks to be you." I should make a big fat political donation to Governor Abbott in order to get a meeting with him, and then ask if we can meet at the Chick-fil-a. And when he can't get there say, "Oh, sucks to be you. Too bad we're in Texas, or you'd have equal access rights" and then rescind my donation because he couldn't make it. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, editor said: Today (June 13, 2022): Nothing says "Hey, wheelchair person! Go be handicapped somewhere else!" quite like having no elevator access. There's also no escalator access. Even able-bodied people have to hoof it up 65 stairs (I counted) to get to the retail space. In some cities, that would be a big fat fine. Imposed daily. And eventually a "cease work" order imposed by the buildings department, and the department of civil rights until proper accommodation was made for all citizens. But in Houston, it's just, "Sucks to be you." I should make a big fat political donation to Governor Abbott in order to get a meeting with him, and then ask if we can meet at the Chick-fil-a. And when he can't get there say, "Oh, sucks to be you. Too bad we're in Texas, or you'd have equal access rights" and then rescind my donation because he couldn't make it. If you know someone who is mobility impaired, have them contact the City and make a complaint. If that fails, have them file a lawsuit against the building owners, since this looks like an ADA compliance issue. Actually, first contact the building and ask them how someone in a wheelchair can get to the retail areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, Ross said: If you know someone who is mobility impaired, have them contact the City and make a complaint. If that fails, have them file a lawsuit against the building owners, since this looks like an ADA compliance issue. Actually, first contact the building and ask them how someone in a wheelchair can get to the retail areas. Yeah, I imagine they will direct you to one of the other elevators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Houston19514 said: Yeah, I imagine they will direct you to one of the other elevators. What other elevator? Is there another elevator in the mall? I've never seen one, and there were no signs at the existing elevator directing anyone to anything other than the stairs. Even if there is an elevator somewhere, it's not the responsibility of the disabled person to go hunting for it. It is the responsibility of the property owner to make sure the public portions of the property are accessible to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, editor said: What other elevator? Is there another elevator in the mall? I've never seen one, and there were no signs at the existing elevator directing anyone to anything other than the stairs. Even if there is an elevator somewhere, it's not the responsibility of the disabled person to go hunting for it. It is the responsibility of the property owner to make sure the public portions of the property are accessible to everyone. I haven't been in there recently, but there always have been multiple elevators. At least one on each end and one or more in between. I think even more than one set in the middle. A quick call to the management suggesting better directions be displayed might be in order. A forum rant, let alone a call to the Governor, not so much. Judging by the signage you photographed, it looks like they are trying, but as with any large renovation project, things change from day to day and the signage may not have kept up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 18 hours ago, Houston19514 said: I haven't been in there recently, but there always have been multiple elevators. At least one on each end and one or more in between. I think even more than one set in the middle. A quick call to the management suggesting better directions be displayed might be in order. A forum rant, let alone a call to the Governor, not so much. Judging by the signage you photographed, it looks like they are trying, but as with any large renovation project, things change from day to day and the signage may not have kept up. I've been there about a dozen times since October, and have never seen any elevator access other than the one elevator. I wish there was another way out, because that would be much more convenient for getting to Phoenicia, which I often do after I finish my errands at Houston Center. You are correct, a forum rant is not productive. But sometimes grumpy old men gotta grump. As for day-to-day changes, that's why you have construction planners. If your construction plan changes so radically from day to day that it exposes your company and the building owner to legal liability, then you have failed at construction planning. They had time to print up big fancy signs instructing people to go take the stairs. They had time to figure the rest out, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 There’s an elevator to the left of the front entrance (San Jacinto) next to the former Jos A Bank store. That’s still in use fulfilling the ADA requirement. There’s also elevators on the Lamar side as well as Austin St at the back of the dining area (next to the outdoor balcony overlooking Austin St. Passing by the other day, I’m surprised how much of the old front entrance has been dismantled. The renders didn’t really focus too much on this side so I feel like we’ve missed some details on changes to the main entrance. Are they reconfiguring the escalator setup? Also, what becomes of the old Tejas Grill space. IIRC they closed up after the renovation was started. Is rehabbing this space included in the renovation plans or left up to whomever leases the space? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 The elevators in 3HC/Fulbright Tower will get you closer to CFA if the guv takes you up on the offer, but you'll have to eat in the skybridge. The usability of this place is drastically reduced at the moment, the few shops hanging on there must be getting a massive rent break to bother staying open in a place that can't handle what they signed up for in terms of access to and amenities for their customers. I'd imagine that they were pretty close to shutting everything down completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X.R. Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Yup, that looks about as painful a remodel as most of expected. I've been avoiding going in since this started when I'm working DT. Not gonna lie though, despite my initial hand-wringing, from the outside this is looking like a hell of an update. They were taking even more brick off late last week. We may get the refresher we hoped for after all! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sapo2367 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I'm in the shops often for lunch at work and the restaurants are as busy as they were pre-construction. Yeah it looks messy but I'm still able to access all the same places and access the entrances/exits (including the elevators on the Phoenicia side). I'll be honest, the place looked pretty rough/broken down before they started on this project.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rechlin Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 There is an elevator facing Phoenicia that is open to get up to the Shops level. Note that the adjacent stairs there do not work -- the door is inexplicably locked at the Shops level so you'll have to walk all the way back down again and then take the elevator if you make the same mistake as I made of trying the steps. Unfortunately the Fulbright tower is also under renovation now, so you can't use the escalators there to get up to the Shops level either. There's an elevator in the far back of that also, which seems to be the only way I found to get up. Access to the Shops is just really terrible now, but there are at least two elevators to get to them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 21 hours ago, rechlin said: There is an elevator facing Phoenicia that is open to get up to the Shops level. Note that the adjacent stairs there do not work -- the door is inexplicably locked at the Shops level so you'll have to walk all the way back down again and then take the elevator if you make the same mistake as I made of trying the steps. Good to know. I'll look for that the next time I'm there. Too bad the people doing the construction couldn't be bothered to put up a sign letting people know about the other elevator, and instead just directed people with walkers and canes and wheelchairs to the stairs. As I said before, this would be a big multi-agency fine in other cities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 https://immersivegamebox.com Architect - https://gmaarchitect.com 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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j_cuevas713 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) All of that diffused light off the white paint helps brighten the space and makes it appear larger. I'm really loving this renovation even though I was skeptical after they released renderings of the scaled back version of the project. Edited October 25, 2022 by j_cuevas713 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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004n063 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Anyone have a rendering of the streetscape upgrades on McKinney? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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s3mh Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 On 11/11/2022 at 6:07 PM, 004n063 said: Anyone have a rendering of the streetscape upgrades on McKinney? This is the website: https://thehighlighthouston.com/ There was a guy in the tunnel putting up a sign for The Highlight today. Only the adult putt putt place and the gaming place have been announced as new tenants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
004n063 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, s3mh said: This is the website: https://thehighlighthouston.com/ There was a guy in the tunnel putting up a sign for The Highlight today. Only the adult putt putt place and the gaming place have been announced as new tenants. Oh I just meant the streetscape improvements part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 hours ago, s3mh said: This is the website: https://thehighlighthouston.com/ There was a guy in the tunnel putting up a sign for The Highlight today. Only the adult putt putt place and the gaming place have been announced as new tenants. Never heard of Immersive Gamebox but they’re joining too https://immersivegamebox.com/locations/coming-soon/houston-center-houston-tx/#booking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntheKnowHouston Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, tigereye said: Never heard of Immersive Gamebox but they’re joining too https://immersivegamebox.com/locations/coming-soon/houston-center-houston-tx/#booking Yep. Hindsky shared the news over the summer. The post about Immersive Gamebox adding a location at downtown's the Highlight at Houston Center ( 1200 McKinney ) is a few posts up. https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/32092-houston-center-redevelopment/?do=findComment&comment=659344 On 7/20/2022 at 2:00 PM, hindesky said: https://immersivegamebox.com Architect - https://gmaarchitect.com Edited November 17, 2022 by IntheKnowHouston 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 18 hours ago, 004n063 said: Oh I just meant the streetscape improvements part Yeah I hope those painted sections that say "Yall" or whatever they say, become windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I went by today, and a lot of progress has been made. It's a lot brighter than before. I expected there to be more fundamental changes, not just changing the lights and sheet rock. It's also far emptier than before. I expect the owners will struggle a bit filling all of that space. It would be nice if the city had a program to help incubate small retail businesses downtown. I've seen it in action elsewhere. The city gives the building owners a tax break, and the building owners significantly cut the rent for any locally-owned small business. It's how a lot of food trucks transition to brick-and-mortar in some cities. It's also good for people who sell plants and local art and such. Pretty much everything you see on offer in EaDo. It's good for the small businesses because they get a chance to expand and showcase themselves to a new audience. It's good for the city because the small businesses can stay in business, employ more people, and pay more taxes, and help revitalize downtown. And it's good for the buildings because they can cut down on the blight of empty storefronts, while offering new amenities to their tenants. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, editor said: I went by today, and a lot of progress has been made. It's a lot brighter than before. I expected there to be more fundamental changes, not just changing the lights and sheet rock. It's also far emptier than before. I expect the owners will struggle a bit filling all of that space. It would be nice if the city had a program to help incubate small retail businesses downtown. I've seen it in action elsewhere. The city gives the building owners a tax break, and the building owners significantly cut the rent for any locally-owned small business. It's how a lot of food trucks transition to brick-and-mortar in some cities. It's also good for people who sell plants and local art and such. Pretty much everything you see on offer in EaDo. It's good for the small businesses because they get a chance to expand and showcase themselves to a new audience. It's good for the city because the small businesses can stay in business, employ more people, and pay more taxes, and help revitalize downtown. And it's good for the buildings because they can cut down on the blight of empty storefronts, while offering new amenities to their tenants. Well I mean it's empty because they're working on filling it with all new tenants. Two majors tenants are already signed on that offer something new for downtown entertainment. I expect other places to follow suit as the potential grows. This place reminds me a lot of the downtown mall in Seattle. Edited December 5, 2022 by j_cuevas713 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, j_cuevas713 said: Well I mean it's empty because they're working on filling it with all new tenants I think if they had companies lined up, there would be "coming soon" signs in the windows. At least, that's how it's done in every other mall I've ever been to. As for Seattle, I haven't been to its downtown malls in about ten years. When I lived there, Pacific Place was the nicer of the two, and where I did my banking. Westlake Center was mid- to lower-end, with a half-dead food court. What is it about Houston Center that reminds you of either of those places? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 59 minutes ago, editor said: I think if they had companies lined up, there would be "coming soon" signs in the windows. At least, that's how it's done in every other mall I've ever been to. As for Seattle, I haven't been to its downtown malls in about ten years. When I lived there, Pacific Place was the nicer of the two, and where I did my banking. Westlake Center was mid- to lower-end, with a half-dead food court. What is it about Houston Center that reminds you of either of those places? The scale. I don't remember the one I went to, but it was prob Pacific Place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, j_cuevas713 said: The scale. I don't remember the one I went to, but it was prob Pacific Place FWIW: Pacific Place is 335,000 square feet. Five floors. Plus a skywalk connection to the flagship Nordstrom departent store. Westlake Center is 102,706 square feet. Four floors. It also has massive (for Seattle) transit connectivity, including a hybrid light rail/bus tunnel station underneath, a monorail station, and the SLUT streetcar right outside. Does anyone have updated numbers for The Highlight so we can compare? Also, Pacific Place is one of those places that lets up-and-coming artists and small businesses use vacant retail space dirt cheap to keep the mall from looking empty and abandoned, driving shoppers away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, editor said: FWIW: Pacific Place is 335,000 square feet. Five floors. Plus a skywalk connection to the flagship Nordstrom departent store. Westlake Center is 102,706 square feet. Four floors. It also has massive (for Seattle) transit connectivity, including a hybrid light rail/bus tunnel station underneath, a monorail station, and the SLUT streetcar right outside. Does anyone have updated numbers for The Highlight so we can compare? About 200,000 square feet Edited December 6, 2022 by Houston19514 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, editor said: FWIW: Pacific Place is 335,000 square feet. Five floors. Plus a skywalk connection to the flagship Nordstrom. Also, Pacific Place is one of those places that lets up-and-coming artists and small businesses use vacant retail space dirt cheap to keep the mall from looking empty and abandoned, driving shoppers away. That’s something struggling malls do to try to keep some activity going. FWIW, Pacific Place is pretty sparsely occupied. Well less than 50%. They might be lucky to be at 25%, and that appears to include some of the artist tenants. https://pacificplaceseattle.com/map Edited December 6, 2022 by Houston19514 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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