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I think the greater concern is the material used for construction.  If they are really going to use wooden members for structural support then that is a concern.  Obviously we're talking about a fully sprinklered building.  I still don't like that.

 

I'm all for smaller scale buildings in this part of downtown.  Anything to fill in the sea of empty lots.

Parking is going to start being more of a premium than it was now.

 

 

Agreed. I'm not a huge fan of a wood frame structure in the heart of downtown. Wood frame structures--- tend to be temporary in nature...  That being said, I wouldnt be surprised if the first floor is reinforced concrete with wood frame above it...

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I think the greater concern is the material used for construction.  If they are really going to use wooden members for structural support then that is a concern.  Obviously we're talking about a fully sprinklered building.  I still don't like that.

 

I'm all for smaller scale buildings in this part of downtown.  Anything to fill in the sea of empty lots.

Parking is going to start being more of a premium than it was now.

 

Is the issue that a wooden structure is insufficiently strong for the height?

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It is building longevity.  Wood rots, steel rusts.  But you can patch steel more easily than you can replace entire sections of rotted/termite damaged wood trusses.

 

Also, this is Downtown and the building we're talking about is fairly large, so we would want a building with at least a projected lifespan of 50-60 years.  And I don't think all of the wood framed buildings that are mostly mid-rise apartments around town are projected to last that long.  Do you?

 

By the way - I have no idea if in fact this project will be wood or steel structure.  I'm assuming wood, because that is the norm for these "urban" apartment buildings around town.

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It is building longevity.  Wood rots, steel rusts.  But you can patch steel more easily than you can replace entire sections of rotted/termite damaged wood trusses.

 

Also, this is Downtown and the building we're talking about is fairly large, so we would want a building with at least a projected lifespan of 50-60 years.  And I don't think all of the wood framed buildings that are mostly mid-rise apartments around town are projected to last that long.  Do you?

 

By the way - I have no idea if in fact this project will be wood or steel structure.  I'm assuming wood, because that is the norm for these "urban" apartment buildings around town.

maybe thats part of the plan. (this is just me scheming what i would do, but hear me out) what makes you think a 5 story apartment building is going to be economically reasonable within our downtown 50 years from now? land values are sure to go up as more and more lots get built on and properties become scarce. especially the prime lots. this will be a fairly desirable spot since its right on the main light rail line/Main Street.

stop renewing leases for the tenants in 20 years or so, eventually get them all out.. tear down the place and either sell off the land to a developer, or develop a new tower there yourself...

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Arche you and I think alike. I think a midget wooden apartment complex in our concrete jungle does sound silly. I would rather ever last one of those little squares have a 15 floor (or more) concrete building.

On the other hand if I way my interests I would also like a hefty downtown population. Now waiting for park places and sky houses to develop we may get two each decade. I would rather fill up the lots with the cheaper apts and replace them as the area warrants more space than to sit there waiting years between new residential towers. I think a quickly growing residential population is priority one with me. I think there is more room for error with the towers.

You build a bunch of expensive towers that serve one use and then find its costly to serve the growing population properly.

If you build more cheaply and the population demands are observed more quickly then it is easier to adjust.

Throw a couple more of these 200 and 300 unit low rises downtown and you will see more of an interest from retaillers looking to the area.

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it could be the other way around.  If I were running the numbers I would be looking at a scenario where the property loses value after 30-40 years, or that projected rents are lower, so it has to be built cheaply up front to make any sense.  Surely banks providing the financing would be looking at this project as at least a moderately high risk (although much less so with Skyhouse next door).

 

 

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And yet how long have most of the previous boom apartment buildings wood framed and all (virtually none of them taller than 3 floors) been sitting are all over town being replaced that have sat for 10-15 years too long beyond their lifetime?  Most of them probably have significant structural issues that aren't apparent until the wrecking ball comes around and starts tearing them down.  A more solidly built building would provide the alternative to tear-downs and allow a smaller/middle sized developer the chance to come in and rehab the building into something still useable.

 

I hope this building isn't built the same way, but I suspect it will be.

 

Also - do we have an official height in floors?  I saw an image posted above that indicated a 7 floor building, not one that is 5 floors?

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We are not talking about the rest of the city, we are talking about downtown.

I can't see these low rise residentials surviving long if land prices increase awhile availability shrinks.

If availability of land doesn't shrink, well then thank God we got something over that darn parking lot.

 

Lot of land undeveloped/underutilized in downtown and surrounding areas (east and north especially)......

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Lot of land undeveloped/underutilized in downtown and surrounding areas (east and north especially)......

Exactly my point.

A new residential boosting the downtown population , and knocking off an empty lot is +++ in my book.

A supertall on each lot would be nice, but since that isn't happening I will take an alternative

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Exactly my point.

A new residential boosting the downtown population , and knocking off an empty lot is +++ in my book.

A supertall on each lot would be nice, but since that isn't happening I will take an alternative

I agree, theres hundreds of 2-5 story buildings in Manhattan, its the density, not the height that counts.

Look at San Francisco, we have way more tall buildings than them yet their skyline is widely considered the "larger" and more beautiful one because of all the low rise density and no oceans of parking lots.

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Word is that Alliance will build another residential project on the lot south of SkyHouse

  

Hopefully bigger than this one. I like that it's happening but kinda puny for downtown.

Yeah if it it's the same as the one north of skyhouse it will look kinda odd being surrounded by skyhouse, Houston House, Arch Diocese buildings, Amergy Bank Tower, Savoy, and Exxon two blocks away.

Come-on Alliance, at least 8 floors this time. 12 floors will have me dancing on the ceiling.

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From what I understand, it will be taller, but not by a lot.  This development is not confirmed but I know it is on the drawing board.  Fits with their portfolio too.  

 

They already have 3800 Main under construction in Midtown, with plans for another on the lot of the former Fire Museum site.

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From what I understand, it will be taller, but not by a lot. This development is not confirmed but I know it is on the drawing board. Fits with their portfolio too.

They already have 3800 Main under construction in Midtown, with plans for another on the lot of the former Fire Museum site.

So they are creating 4 residential complexes on the Red Line? NICE!!!

TOD is really taking off

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Nonsense, according to some posters here there has not been a single development built on the metro light rail line.

Ah, I must be deluded by the Calais, Pearl Midtown, Camden Midtown, That apartment on Main and Alabama, Post Midtown, Fingers, the zillions of units that went up on Bagby, The Mosaic and it s twin, all the new restaurants, bars in midtown.... I need a doctor I Am seing so many things that are not there.

Don't get me started on Reliant Station and Smith lands area. So many things went up in that area that area that may not actually be there.

Comeon. The few blocks along the rail did not become dense urban blocks overnight like some expected, but quite a few developments occured. The medical center has been revolutionized. It went from a near universally car dependent employment center into an area where Transportation is overflowing with patrons. This model needs to be copied in other areas

south of the med center went from a no mans land to a huge TOD where many people live and hop on the train to TMC. Lots of new residential there and many new restaurants. A new target opened on main.

Just because lots remain vacant along main, but that doesn't mean nothing has gone on.

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Ah, I must be deluded by the Calais, Pearl Midtown, Camden Midtown, That apartment on Main and Alabama, Post Midtown, Fingers, the zillions of units that went up on Bagby, The Mosaic and it s twin, all the new restaurants, bars in midtown.... I need a doctor I Am seing so many things that are not there.

Don't get me started on Reliant Station and Smith lands area. So many things went up in that area that area that may not actually be there.

Comeon. The few blocks along the rail did not become dense urban blocks overnight like some expected, but quite a few developments occured. The medical center has been revolutionized. It went from a near universally car dependent employment center into an area where Transportation is overflowing with patrons. This model needs to be copied in other areas

south of the med center went from a no mans land to a huge TOD where many people live and hop on the train to TMC. Lots of new residential there and many new restaurants. A new target opened on main.

Just because lots remain vacant along main, but that doesn't mean nothing has gone on.

Nope, never happened, none of it. LA LA LA LA, I CANT HEAR YOU, LA LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU!

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Did the name change for this? I thought this was the Allied (or Alliance?) site and don't see that mentioned in the title anymore..

Now that we know what is happening with the 3 empty blocks on the east side of Main (from Jefferson to Bell), I wonder what's going to happen on the empty block north of Bell, or the empty blocks on the west side of Main..

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Ah, I knew it looked different. Confused me for a minute.. So any rumors for what's to come to the blocks north or west of this site? I was thinking a residential tower would be nice on one of the two Main st lots on the west side, next to ExxonMobile.. Especially if they build that submerged underground plaza (hopefully with retail) connecting into the tunnel system. It would be a very convenient location for people to live and work.

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When I passed by the site today there was a lot people and machinery moving rebar and digging up the parking lot. Good to see these Downtown projects get going!

Yeah I walked by there too. Was great to see construction all up and down main. This, Skyhouse, Savoy, Greenstreet and Macy's site all in a nice little stretch

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