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I'd like the see the streetcar circulator that the East End Management District was discussing.  I think the route was be, Hirsch- Clinton,-Jensen,-Navigation-Hirsch.

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They were discussing a few different routes for an East End streetcar.. I'm not sure any decisions were ever made or if discussion of a streetcar progressed much further past that point though. Hopefully they revisit the idea as the area gets built up.

 

http://houston.culturemap.com/news/city-life/11-02-12-its-full-speed-ahead-on-streetcars-in-eado-public-transit-plans-routes-are-revealed/#slide=3

 

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I feel like alternatives 1 and 2 do the most to connect downtown (both east and not east) together.  Also - there's a railroad museum?

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2 hours ago, cspwal said:

Also - there's a railroad museum?

A nice one, too.

http://www.kingswayrc.com/gcst/

 

They have a restored M-K-T passenger car, caboose (MKT 6), SP caboose (4696), a couple of old switchers (one of which is an old HB&T unit), and a helium tank car. Weird, weird looking car to say the least. Last I saw these pieces of equipment, they were being stored off of Navigation, just west of Sampson/York, on an old rail spur. I believe the museum is moving, but have heard nothing recently concerning its venue change.

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dyslexia kicked in on the caboose number
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Yeah, I like alternate 1 the best, due to the downtown connectivity and the loop down Clinton.

Is the railroad museum at that old rail round table thing? I had been wondering about those random rail cars on the spur.

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30 minutes ago, cloud713 said:

Yeah, I like alternate 1 the best, due to the downtown connectivity and the loop down Clinton.

Is the railroad museum at that old rail round table thing? I had been wondering about those random rail cars on the spur.

 

It was off of Mesa Drive. They used two out of service sidings to house the cars for several years. This was around the time they restored the M-K-T and Southern Pacific cabeese. I don't recall a turntable there, cloud. Only turntable that I vividly recollect in East End is the one at the Milby St. shops at York and Milby.

 

This is the video of the museum equipment being moved onto the Canal St. spur. The spur doesn't see a lot of activity, as you will see below.

 

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Milby Street sounds familiar. I've been meaning to drive by and try to

catch a glimpse of the turntable, but every time I'm in the area I forget..

Thanks for the video! Those rail cars seemed to have been sitting there for so long that I was starting to come up with ideas for how to incorporate them into a new development/repurposing of that warehouse at the end of the spur.. Haha. 

If they were to do an artist oriented development at the warehouse that the spur dead ends into (on the south side of the bayou across from KBR), kind of like the Silos on Sawyer development, some old rail cars on the abandoned tracks could make for a unique industrial vibe that houses individual art gallery/installation space, as a throw back to the sites former industrial heritage.

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So.... speculation is that they had a trailer on their property for 1 year to establish a Board of Directors that could vote on bonds. The trailer is now gone, which means the vote has happened (Or so some people think). It would be interesting if they published it somewhere.

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2 hours ago, Mr.Clean19 said:

So.... speculation is that they had a trailer on their property for 1 year to establish a Board of Directors that could vote on bonds. The trailer is now gone, which means the vote has happened (Or so some people think). It would be interesting if they published it somewhere.

It would be public record if they did. A trailer has nothing to do with a Board of Directors. You might be thinking of the process for a new MUD, which needs residents to vote on the initial bonds. The Management District already has residents, etc.

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On 2/13/2017 at 11:21 PM, Triton said:

 

Yea we saw it from pretty far away. It's impressive.

 

 

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HTX by Marc longoria, on Flickr

 

 

The building is now lit up with   AMZN

 

I will try to get a picture when I drive by tomorrow morning

 

 

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20 hours ago, Timoric said:

Nice Haunted Halloween Field look to the foreground - Field of Screams!

 

We all float around here. 

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3 hours ago, 79ta said:

DAY 1?

 

From the article: 

 

Day 1 is the name assigned successively to 3 different Amazon buildings in Seattle, the latest a new 37-story downtown tower that itself features a lit-up sign on its lower floors that reads HELLO WORLD. Day 1 is also a common catchphrase in the company, a reminder to itself, among other things, to focus on outcomes rather than process and to make decisions quickly,even if you have less information available than you’d like.

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Have a look at the brochure now. First concept of the property layout. 

Project-Brochure.pdf

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13 hours ago, Triton said:

 

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I saw this too. A couple of takeaways.... There is no through street to the east end. I thought that Gregg Street would connect to Middle Street. Also I may be reading too much into this but I think you can see from the Squares with Open Spaces in the middle, where they plan on having Apartments. The multi-building plots along Clinton must be retail/commercial. Most office buildings looks to be located closer to the bayou or to the east. 

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49 minutes ago, Mr.Clean19 said:

I saw this too. A couple of takeaways.... There is no through street to the east end. I thought that Gregg Street would connect to Middle Street.

 

That of course would require the construction of a bridge over Buffalo Bayou.  The Hirsch and Jensen Street bridges at the east and west ends provide through streets to the east end.

 

There also appear to be perhaps 4 pedestrian bridges.

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Hey Mr Clean.

I think that you at correct about the "Squares with open spaces" being apartment buildings.  The large Standard sized blocks in each one of these square seem to have shadows, so I bet that that would indicate mid-rise with parking beneath.  Or .  The small plots along Clinton look to me like, townhomes/single family.  Without any parking in their vicinity, I doubt that they would be retail fronts.  The western edge looks like small retail, where the NE corner appears to be Grocery store and other retail pads. 

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15 hours ago, Triton said:

 

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A few thoughts.

 

1. As Ellen said, the street grid is a good sign, especially as it links with the existing street grid outside the site.

2. Development looks dense, which is good news but will take awhile if it's really built out like this (big if). There are probably as many multi-family units in here as there are in all of Midtown currently.

3. Looks like we might get a good walkable retail street with an urban village atmosphere. The natural candidate for this would be Clinton Drive, but since there is no zoning, you have no idea what will happen across the street. Development must turn inward.

4. This could be what Regent Square should have been, only with less of a high street fashion orientation.

5. Success will be driven by Buffalo Bayou improvements and townhome developments outside the site to help establish the neighborhood and support retail.

6. Looks like they are probably hoping for a corporate campus or perhaps an education/research campus as the anchor on the eastern end. Of course any educational campus would be limited to UH, since the local political wolves will chase off any of the big $ state universities.

 

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A big difference of course being that Regent Square is still separated from Buffalo Bayou Park by Allen Parkway. East River touches the (future) park directly. 

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2 hours ago, Naviguessor said:

Hey Mr Clean.

I think that you at correct about the "Squares with open spaces" being apartment buildings.  The large Standard sized blocks in each one of these square seem to have shadows, so I bet that that would indicate mid-rise with parking beneath.  Or .  The small plots along Clinton look to me like, townhomes/single family.  Without any parking in their vicinity, I doubt that they would be retail fronts.  The western edge looks like small retail, where the NE corner appears to be Grocery store and other retail pads. 

Probably just my preference but I think they have an opportunity to get rid of the classic grocery store with the 500 parking spaces on this site. They should have made it more central to the site to allow better walkability. Also do something like Phoenician and mix in a Wine bar on top with a great downtown view. I think they will have trouble filling the NE corner though.

 

You are probably right about the townhomes too. Which would mean there would be a lot!

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for some perspective: city centre is about 47 acres while regent square is just 23 acres and this site is an astonishing 150 acres

 

city centre is already nearing 13 years old :o  it's almost complete but still growing.

regent square is coming up on 10 years old and there's not much to say... 

hopefully AMZN will come in and, along with midway, build this site out quickly

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3 hours ago, 79ta said:

for some perspective: city centre is about 47 acres while regent square is just 23 acres and this site is an astonishing 150 acres

 

city centre is already nearing 13 years old :o  it's almost complete but still growing.

regent square is coming up on 10 years old and there's not much to say... 

hopefully AMZN will come in and, along with midway, build this site out quickly

Today is Tuesday.  If this were China, that 150 acre plot of raw land would be 100% built and ready for occupancy by Friday.  Of course, no one would be living there but that is another story all together!

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2 hours ago, UtterlyUrban said:

If the second Amazon HQ comes here, Amazon workers will have a choice:  1) constant rain or 2) constant heat.

 

at least they would get consistency.

 

... he posts on a beautiful October day when it is 73 degrees in Houston and 62 and sunny in Seattle.

 

Hopefully, Amazon workers will deal more in reality than in myths.

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3 hours ago, UtterlyUrban said:

If the second Amazon HQ comes here, Amazon workers will have a choice:  1) constant rain or 2) constant heat.

 

at least they would get consistency.

 

They would prefer constant heat because we have AC and pools!

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1 hour ago, bobruss said:

Me thinks a Canadian city will get it. Toronto or Vancouver.

 

I think Amazon will shock people and pick a city that is not a frontrunner...hopefully Houston! 

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"Business officials agree Houston looks to be a good choice for the corporate giant to set up its second headquarters; among other benefits, the city’s proximity to Austin could attract tech talent.

 

Houston offers a growing talent pool of young professionals with several universities, colleges and tech trade schools in town – a check for Amazon’s search for locations meant to “attract and retain strong technical talent.”

 

Houston additionally well exceeds the minimum population requirement of 1 million outlined by Amazon as one of its guidelines.

 

The recent growth in population means diversity and talent, and a large workforce to hire from; real estate, though suffering with damage from Harvey, is still favorable, as there is plenty of land and plans to grow in Houston.

 

The city, furthermore, is located close to major airports and airlines, railroads and shipping lines, all modes of transport helpful for Amazon to get its products out more quickly.

 

To make the sell sweeter, Houston is part of Texas’ “business friendly culture” and happy “quality of life,” with the city offering tax breaks to businesses in the area and putting in serious work on things, like parks, cultural institutions and restaurants, in recent years."

 

WE WIN!

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1 hour ago, htownbro said:

 

I think Amazon will shock people and pick a city that is not a frontrunner...hopefully Houston! 

I hope your right but I think Houston, and Texas  has not shown that they are ready for the types of things Amazon is looking for. 

Too much conservative bathroom talk. Dan Patrick

Not enough plans to complete the rail system      John Culberson

Too much flooding

 

 

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2 minutes ago, bobruss said:

I hope your right but I think Houston, and Texas  has not shown that they are ready for the types of things Amazon is looking for. 

Too much conservative bathroom talk. Dan Patrick

Not enough plans to complete the rail system      John Culberson

Too much flooding

 

 

 

We have more space and available land.  Bezos will come back home. 

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8 minutes ago, bobruss said:

I hope your right but I think Houston, and Texas  has not shown that they are ready for the types of things Amazon is looking for. 

Too much conservative bathroom talk. Dan Patrick

Not enough plans to complete the rail system      John Culberson

Too much flooding

 

 

BINGO!

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