RedScare Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I understand Bob McNair's concern. Sitting in a $450 million hotel complex is FAR more enjoyable than wasting a couple of hundred bucks watching his Texans give up 35 points in one half.The Rodeo people, though, I think are merely throwing their beef-enhanced weight around for no good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I have no idea what in hell the "detriment" could be to either group but here's their stance on the hotel project...http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5257204.htmlWhy are they just now speaking out about this? But yeah, I was wondering how this was going to coexhist with the Reliant Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Hizzy! Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 It's almost as if they waited around to see "what's in it" for them and then when it looked as if the answer would be "not much", they decided to align against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 It's almost as if they waited around to see "what's in it" for them and then when it looked as if the answer would be "not much", they decided to align against it.That's EXACTLY what it is. One can read between the lines on the Dynamo stadium thread and see the exact same thing regarding the Astros parking lot.Note to self. Billionaires who smile while on camera may not be as friendly as they appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I have no idea what in hell the "detriment" could be to either group but here's their stance on the hotel project...http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5257204.htmli'll bet the rodeo is upset cause they feel that the county will have another "client" that will take up county time and possibly money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorAggie Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 But yeah, I was wondering how this was going to coexhist with the Reliant Center.I'm thinking that it becomes, in a lot of ways, Reliant's convention hotel. Seems to me that the Texans would support it in order to help with their Super Bowl bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Why would the Texans, and even Rodeo be against it? The new Astrodome hotel could be like their main hotel during the Texan games and Rodeo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorAggie Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 According to the article (which has changed the title to say that the project "may be dead"), it looks as if the new developers tried to cut the Texans and HLSR in on the profits. Those two seem worried about things like drink franchising rights, restaurants coming to the new Dome and not the Rodeo, and other things like that.It seems to me that a deal could have been worked that allowed the Dome developers to do build the project but written into the deal that they cannot pursue or enter into contracts with entities currently involved with the Texans or the Rodeo unless those two agreed to it. It seems to me that Coke could have been the official drink of Reliant Park--period, for example, and that includes the new hotel. Maybe they could do something with scheduling, for example that the hotel provides most of it's proceeds from gamedays and Rodeo days to the Texans and HLSR. Just something to get the deal done.Oh well. I am starting to lose hope that the Dome will be saved--especially since the Texans and Rodeo have veto power over any new redevelopment of it--whoever came up with that idea wasn't too smart, the County should be able to pursue deals that are best for the County, not the Texans and the Rodeo. So they'd make $99 Million instead of $100 Million. It seems to me that the critical mass would be worth more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) This Dome redevelopment would be so much better than making it into a parking lot for the Texans and HLSR. Hopefully they see the benefit of making the Dome into a hotel.Oh, and especially with a light rail line right next to it, the Dome hotel could be a hit. Edited October 30, 2007 by Trae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 What an utter waste and embarrassment of the Astrodome. Where are the brains and reason in this field when we need it most? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Where are the brains and reason in this field when we need it most? they are out workin on the 1717 bissonnet issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 I really liked this line:"Every dollar spent that is spent there is one that might not be spent at the rodeo."and this:Jamey Rootes, a Texans' official, said the Texans were worried that the hotel would hamper the flow of fans in and out of games on the Texans' 10 game days.Oh well. Personally, I've never been convinced that this concept had legs anyway. It was probably just a matter of time before enough people figured it out. Even as a preservation effort it was flawed, since it would have significantly altered the exterior appearance of the Dome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Wow. Short-sited beyond belief.I also don't think the Texans and Rodeo folks are looking at the positives that having a 1300 room hotel chock full of entertainment options can have.By the way, why in the Hell do either of these groups have the power to veto anything? Didn't the people build these complexes?Hey redscare, I smell a lawsuit.Oh well, just another reason to pay zero attention to the Texans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 They are probably counting pre-season, which would make it 10 home games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister X Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 (edited) I wouldn't be too surprised if there is a lawsuit over this either. The proposal to turn the dome into a convention hotel didn't just pop up last week or last month. For years now there has been talk of turning the Astrodome into a hotel, why weren't the Texans and the Rodeo complaining that guest going to Reliant would be spending money at the hotel before this, and that they would be adversely affected.The Astrodome Redevelopment Corporation has invested time and money into drawing up the project, locating financing and all this has been done in the public spotlight over the last several years. The Texans and Rodeo could have spoken up years ago that this project was going to be vetod.So, if the Texans or the Rodeo are not going to allow any project that would draw people away from their venues to be built in the Astrodome, what could possibly be allowed? Even a cheap flea market would lure some people from the games and cow torturing going on in Reliant on those few days out of the year they are open for business.If this plan is killed now, why would any other development corporation want to come in and spend several million dollars trying to get another project organized if the Texans and the Rodeo are able to just veto it after 5 years of work and effort.IMO, If this project is allowed to die then the Astrodome is gone. Edited October 31, 2007 by Mister X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIndustry Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Why don't they redevelop the Astrodome into the new stadium for the Dynamo. Make the roof clear glass like was originally proposed. There may be room for a hotel component given Soccer stadium capacities. Was this solution proposed? Seems like a good idea to me, although I am sure so much money has already been sunk into the redevelopment plan and Dynamo project already that moving backward is not possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I wouldn't be too surprised if there is a lawsuit over this either. The proposal to turn the dome into a convention hotel didn't just pop up last week or last month. For years now there has been talk of turning the Astrodome into a hotel, why weren't the Texans and the Rodeo complaining that guest going to Reliant would be spending money at the hotel before this, and that they would be adversely affected.The Astrodome Redevelopment Corporation has invested time and money into drawing up the project, locating financing and all this has been done in the public spotlight over the last several years. The Texans and Rodeo could have spoken up years ago that this project was going to be vetod.So, if the Texans or the Rodeo are not going to allow any project that would draw people away from their venues to be built in the Astrodome, what could possibly be allowed? Even a cheap flea market would lure some people from the games and cow torturing going on in Reliant on those few days out of the year they are open for business.If this plan is killed now, why would any other development corporation want to come in and spend several million dollars trying to get another project organized if the Texans and the Rodeo are able to just veto it after 5 years of work and effort.IMO, If this project is allowed to die then the Astrodome is gone.Good post. I agree.Maybe what the Texans and Rodeo really want is for it to be torn down? Because you're right, anything is most likely going to draw people away from them. If they plan on vetoing it, they should be forced to buy it or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I would rather the Dynamo be on the East End. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T 2 THA C Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 The voters give Texans and Rodeo new Stadium now they want to control what happens with it. I agree, who's idea was that? It seems to me the tax paying public should decide whats gonna be done w/ the dome seeing how we are still paying on the renovations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Reliant and the Rodeo would love for the Dome to be gone. It means more $20 parking revenue potential per car at Texans games and more space for the rodeo to sell fried dough to make dough!To me, to see the Dome torn down to make room for more surface parking in a section of Houston that is BLEAK enough as it is right now (surface parking, practice bubbles, car dealerships, dirt where Astroworld once stood, etc...) would be the ultimate insult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ V Lawrence Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Maybe what the Texans and Rodeo really want is for it to be torn down? Because you're right, anything is most likely going to draw people away from them.I don't understand this concept. The Texans would still play around ten games a year with or without the Astrodome in the parking lot, and people will still go to Texans games regardless of what's in the parking lot. The rodeo would still only have three weeks straight of events at Reliant Stadium and the parking lot, and wouldn't deter people from going to any of the rodeo events either. If anything, it would probably give the Texans a better chance at hosting the Super Bowl, would have given the Rodeo another updated facility for Livestock and Rodeo events, and probably would have meant more convention revenue. How they figured that a convention hotel would have discouraged Houstonians and tourists from watching Clint Black, Hanna Montana, or Texans vs. Titans is beyond me. Where exactly did they see their money being lost if the Astrodome were redeveloped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 Reliant and the Rodeo would love for the Dome to be gone. It means more $20 parking revenue potential per car at Texans games and more space for the rodeo to sell fried dough to make dough!You may be right. They would probably love to build a parking garage there. The Texans' stated reasoning sounds thin, and it may simply be they want a greater cut of hotel revenue and, as the article mentioned, rights to use the hotel parking on those ten game days. If they plan on vetoing it, they should be forced to buy it or something.I don't think there are laws by which they could be "forced" to buy the Astrodome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T 2 THA C Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I agree, IMO it sounds like they want all of the profits from the new operation, because they are already getting cuts from the buisness, and use of the parking garage and get to keep the revenue from that.I think that money should off set the so called losses they would get. Personally I do not see people that pay to go to the Rodeo and Texans games wasting their time at the hotel since a majority already live in Houston. I can see this bringing in more out of town buisness, especially seeing how it is right next to the rail line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanith27 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 The Texans want a larger cut of the profits to offset the reduced income from the ever diminishing fan base due to the stellar effort put on by the team this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimberlySayWhat Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 The people behind the dome hotel were on the Ken Hoffman show yesterday and they seem to not be backing down from it. They said they don't know of a legitimate reason for the rodeo or Texans having any kind of real say-so in it. I guess we'll see. Until then, screw the Texans and the rodeo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I'm with you guys on this one. There is simply NO reason that the dome could not be renovated into the 1300 room hotel and be an asset to Reliant Park. Texans and Rodeo want more $$$ for parking. Greed. Rodeo attendance has been down in the past few years. Sounds like Rodeo needs to entertain some fresh ideas. The hotel would be very helpful in drawing more conventions to Reliant. Guests could stay at the hotel and have the convenience of the train to Museum District, downtown, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I don't understand this concept. The Texans would still play around ten games a year with or without the Astrodome in the parking lot, and people will still go to Texans games regardless of what's in the parking lot. The rodeo would still only have three weeks straight of events at Reliant Stadium and the parking lot, and wouldn't deter people from going to any of the rodeo events either. If anything, it would probably give the Texans a better chance at hosting the Super Bowl, would have given the Rodeo another updated facility for Livestock and Rodeo events, and probably would have meant more convention revenue. How they figured that a convention hotel would have discouraged Houstonians and tourists from watching Clint Black, Hanna Montana, or Texans vs. Titans is beyond me. Where exactly did they see their money being lost if the Astrodome were redeveloped?This is EXACTLY why the Texans have failed to secure another Super Bowl. The same attempt to squeeze every buck out of the fans and the County that is going on with this project is also being used against the small market NFL owners. While the citizens of Houston cannot do much about it (McNair already got his stadium), the NFL owners can...and did. They voted down attempts to get another Super Bowl.Any suggestion that IF Houston did this or that, we would get another Super Bowl, is ignoring the business realities of the NFL. When one owner tries to take revenue from the other owners, they will strike back. The sooner people understand this, the sooner people will stop using the "this could help us get a Super Bowl" argument. In short, it will not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T 2 THA C Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 This is EXACTLY why the Texans have failed to secure another Super Bowl. The same attempt to squeeze every buck out of the fans and the County that is going on with this project is also being used against the small market NFL owners. While the citizens of Houston cannot do much about it (McNair already got his stadium), the NFL owners can...and did. They voted down attempts to get another Super Bowl.Any suggestion that IF Houston did this or that, we would get another Super Bowl, is ignoring the business realities of the NFL. When one owner tries to take revenue from the other owners, they will strike back. The sooner people understand this, the sooner people will stop using the "this could help us get a Super Bowl" argument. In short, it will not.Correct if I am wrong but didn't the small market owners want revenue sharing and big market owners like Mcnair did not want to share revenues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProHouston Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I'm with you guys on this one. There is simply NO reason that the dome could not be renovated into the 1300 room hotel and be an asset to Reliant Park. Texans and Rodeo want more $$$ for parking. Greed. Rodeo attendance has been down in the past few years. Sounds like Rodeo needs to entertain some fresh ideas. The hotel would be very helpful in drawing more conventions to Reliant. Guests could stay at the hotel and have the convenience of the train to Museum District, downtown, etc. Especially when the Texans bring customers to Reliant Park exactly 10 days a year and the Rodeo brings them approximately 30 days a year. Now why, may I ask, do these two groups who only bring in customers 40 out of 365 days out of the year get to decide what happens on the other 325 days?!? It's out-frikkin-rageous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted November 2, 2007 Author Share Posted November 2, 2007 Now why, may I ask, do these two groups who only bring in customers 40 out of 365 days out of the year get to decide what happens on the other 325 days?!? It's out-frikkin-rageous!The article doesn't go into detail, but presumably it was something they negotiated as part of their leases for Reliant Stadium. The concern gets down to the threat that the hotel would probably sell cheaper beers than the $10 ones available at football games, and therefore endanger the financial stability of the Texans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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