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i understand their point of view but too far in my opinion, and not looking forward a possible bus line like a "shuttle" be created, only other option another rail line extension but that will not happened. 

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Hell why not stop the rail in College Station. Having the main train station 20 miles away from downtown is ridiculously inconvenient to pretty much everybody who doesn't live along the 290 corridor. Furthermore, the idea is to not only connect business between the two cities but cultures as well. Stopping that far northwest of the city makes it a hassle to get to midtown, downtown or NRG Park. Their heart is in the right place but I don't know where in the h e l l  their brain is.

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Because it would deviate the line from it's established "Utility Line" Route. Besides, a station there will be a catalyst for future growth and extension of CStat to that area. There will most likely be a bus route to and from, and as development and ridership increases at the CStat station, there might even be a rail line to and from the campus.

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I agree Anthony. I like a set up like in New Orleans. A transit hub where you catch a train, Greyhound, megabus, city buses and trolleys and it's right on the edge of the core. Last week I took in a few last minute attractions in the quarter, bought a few gifts, then took a 15 minute walk to the station.

If I was a visitor and I hopped off a train on 290 I would never come back to Houston again. After being on a train for 3 or 4 hours, when I get to Houston I don't want to get on a series of buses to get to where I am going. I want to fall off the train into a bar, a shot taxi ride to my hotel.

Screw the Woodlands, i would run it with 45, then along Hardy with a stop at Hardy and Greens. Then continue down hardy to Downtown.

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Hell why not stop the rail in College Station. Having the main train station 20 miles away from downtown is ridiculously inconvenient to pretty much everybody who doesn't live along the 290 corridor. Furthermore, the idea is to not only connect business between the two cities but cultures as well. Stopping that far northwest of the city makes it a hassle to get to midtown, downtown or NRG Park. Their heart is in the right place but I don't know where in the h e l l  their brain is.

 

Twenty MINUTES (in heavy traffic), not twenty MILES. Likely more in the range of 10 minutes via HOV lane on P&R buses. And 10 minutes to Uptown. And only 20 minutes to the Energy Corridor as well. This station is optimally located to serve all of Houston--not only the CBD.

 

Downtown and 290/610/10 as well as Cypress would have been best case scenario, but perhaps the 290 commuter line by METRO or others so many are eager for will be made a priority since this line doesn't provide that service.  

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Bigfoot we do not need future growth spots, we need to improve the ones we have.

A bus route from the station to downtown is cool but downtown is incomplete as it is. What we going to do, take the train to 290, then take a 45 minute bus to downtown, then take an hour bus to the SW, then take a 15 minute bus to the galleria then take a 45 minute bus to get a drink downtown?

We are already too spread out.

We have zillions of developed areas but not one complete well rounded one.

You are looking at it as a Houston resident. Look at it as a traveller coming by train (carless) what good to them is a station in the boonies that spurred the growth of some shops, condos, and a couple of offices in the area?

We should concentrate on creating at least one well rounded cluster instead of creating more and more s#/tty ones.

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I agree Anthony. I like a set up like in New Orleans. A transit hub where you catch a train, Greyhound, megabus, city buses and trolleys and it's right on the edge of the core. Last week I took in a few last minute attractions in the quarter, bought a few gifts, then took a 15 minute walk to the station.

If I was a visitor and I hopped off a train on 290 I would never come back to Houston again. After being on a train for 3 or 4 hours, when I get to Houston I don't want to get on a series of buses to get to where I am going. I want to fall off the train into a bar, a shot taxi ride to my hotel.

Screw the Woodlands, i would run it with 45, then along Hardy with a stop at Hardy and Greens. Then continue down hardy to Downtown.

 

Have you been following the HSR thread at all?

90 minutes, not "3 or 4 hours."

What does The Woodlands have to do with anything? They wanted the rail but TCP's analysis ruled out that corridor a long time ago for cost, constructability, and maximum operational speed reasons.

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Bigfoot we do not need future growth spots, we need to improve the ones we have.

A bus route from the station to downtown is cool but downtown is incomplete as it is. What we going to do, take the train to 290, then take a 45 minute bus to downtown, then take an hour bus to the SW, then take a 15 minute bus to the galleria then take a 45 minute bus to get a drink downtown?

We are already too spread out.

We have zillions of developed areas but not one complete well rounded one.

You are looking at it as a Houston resident. Look at it as a traveller coming by train (carless) what good to them is a station in the boonies that spurred the growth of some shops, condos, and a couple of offices in the area?

We should concentrate on creating at least one well rounded cluster instead of creating more and more s#/tty ones.

 

610/10/290 is hardly "the boonies".

 

Even if you're taking a train into NYC, who stays only within a quarter mile radius of Grand Central or Penn Station? Bus from NW TC to Downtown does not take nearly as long as you exaggerate.

 

Best case scenario for Hardy Yards  is for a commuter line station in the near term and perhaps one day a HSR extension if the cost/benefits of such an extension become favorable.

 

More on topic, the deferral of the Wilson property plat on the planning agenda validates a San Jacinto extension from Downtown remains in the plans.

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Do you think Houston should build some more parks on large stretches like this or are we good?

 

There is a plan to build a park here actually.

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Isn't the Hardy Downtown Extension passing close to this development?

 

Are you talking about the San Jacinto St. extension? I've seen in other forums that it seems to be up in the air.

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Regarding the Hardy Toll Road downtown connector, to quote Abe Lincoln I think they've got "the slows", but it is going to be built. Probably the same for the San Jacinto extension. 

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As far as the Hardy Toll Road extension is concerned, construction has already started, but is being done in phases. The first phase was to relocate the railroad tracks, which has been completed already. Next they have to construct 2 overpasses and 1 underpass because originally these were at grade crossings. That is to start early 2016. When all that is done, phase 2 can start which is the actual road construction.

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Talked to people overlooking this development. "Phase one" is complete. Park/plaza construction will be coming soon.

 

Residences of Hardy Yards project costs $58,000,000. Don't remember if we knew that figure already.

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I'm impressed at their aim, although I wonder if they're just being stolen. When the signs first debuted, half of the letters were gone within a week.

Though the letters stolen can be arranged to spell "RAD", I can assure you it is no such thing to be stolen.

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I'm impressed at their aim, although I wonder if they're just being stolen. When the signs first debuted, half of the letters were gone within a week.

Though the letters stolen can be arranged to spell "RAD", I can assure you it is no such thing to be stolen.

 

Amateurs. They could've left the letters in place but rearranged them, instead of stealing them. I look forward to a small army of drunken, juvenile anagram fans doing their part to ensure that passersby are welcomed to "DAY RASH DRY".

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On 2/12/2015 at 0:48 PM, Triton said:

As stated by someone earlier, the fence is now down. Perhaps the markers are for roads... looks very similar to the outline here.

 

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20150213_122903 by marclongoria, on Flickr

It's pretty impressive how far this has come in one year considering it's a 55 acre site that previously had no city utilities or other infrastructure. 

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its right across the street.... I am about to close on a lot on hogan and hardy myself actually. I am so excited for this area 

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1 hour ago, j_cuevas713 said:

Massive purchase by UHD as it expands its campus downtown. How close is this to the Hardy Yards development?

 

http://www.chron.com/business/real-estate/article/UHD-buying-17-acres-downtown-7940337.php#photo-9340488

 

 

Looks to be right across Burnett Station from Hardy Yards, at the Daly Street Park and Ride lot.

 

"Combined with two adjacent parcels of land the school already owns, the 17-acre tract will give it control of 27 contiguous acres bordered by White Oak Bayou to the west, North Main to the east, the Union Pacific railroad tracks to the north and the existing UHD campus to the south."

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14 hours ago, cloud713 said:

 

Looks to be right across Burnett Station from Hardy Yards, at the Daly Street Park and Ride lot.

 

"Combined with two adjacent parcels of land the school already owns, the 17-acre tract will give it control of 27 contiguous acres bordered by White Oak Bayou to the west, North Main to the east, the Union Pacific railroad tracks to the north and the existing UHD campus to the south."

I wasn't 100% sure this was the land they were talking about, but wow this school is growing big time. Possibly a future Div 3? 

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Good to see them adding the infrastructure and landscaping during the downturn. 

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curvy streets, narrow sidewalks and grass strips.

 

I appreciate the bump-outs though, but ultimately the buildings will determine just how suburban this ends up seeming.

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1 hour ago, Texasota said:

curvy streets, narrow sidewalks and grass strips.

 

I appreciate the bump-outs though, but ultimately the buildings will determine just how suburban this ends up seeming.

 

Yep, I am very bummed that they continue to build narrow sidewalks with the grass strips. Especially so close to downtown. 

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1 hour ago, Texasota said:

curvy streets, narrow sidewalks and grass strips.

 

I appreciate the bump-outs though, but ultimately the buildings will determine just how suburban this ends up seeming.

 

Looking at the most recent concept drawings, you have to have some sort of curve to the E/W streets to use the land appropriately.  We need an elevated picture of the new construction infrastructure to see if it is matching this relatively dense concept.

 

I agree though that those narrow sidewalks are awful anywhere they're expecting pedestrian traffic.  Only advantage of them is a place for your dog to pee.

 

On 11/22/2015 at 1:08 PM, nate4l1f3 said:

 

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I don't mind the grass strip if it has those orderly-looking trees planted in it. In five or so years, as they get larger, they will provide a far more valuable thing: shade for both the sidewalk and the street, something that cannot be understated in its importance during a Houston summer.

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18 hours ago, Urbannizer said:

 

How so? Landscaping wise?

 

11 hours ago, Texasota said:

curvy streets, narrow sidewalks and grass strips.

 

I appreciate the bump-outs though, but ultimately the buildings will determine just how suburban this ends up seeming.

 

Basically what he said. I don't hate landscaping so much. For me, it's mainly the small sidewalks. Too much grass.

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On July 9, 2016 at 8:42 PM, lockmat said:

 

 

Basically what he said. I don't hate landscaping so much. For me, it's mainly the small sidewalks. Too much grass.

 

How wide do you think sidewalk in a neighborhood such as this need to be?

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The sidewalks should be large enough for pedestrians and bicyclist to take to rail stop. 

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12 minutes ago, BeerNut said:

The sidewalks should be large enough for pedestrians and bicyclist to take to rail stop. 

 

These easily pass that test.  (But FWIW, I don't  think  bicyclists are supposed to be riding in sidewalks.)

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