LTAWACS Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Playgorund? ewwwwwwwwww. Am I missing something here about a playground in downtown.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not at all. I agree with you. It's revolting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 this would be cool but there are too many scared ppl out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston-development Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 BTW, I was the one who said that they closed, and that piece of information came from an O'conner retail report. Ill try to find out from another source if it is in fact true or if O'connor jumped the gun. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> so did o'connor have a premature ejacu... i mean did he speak too soon? also, do you know what the dirt traded for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I just found sometimes out. If Crescent Real Estate Equities(also the owner of bayou place) is in on this project, Pavillion at Houston Center that means it will never get built. For one, Crescent mention PHASE II on the bayou place, did it happen? No. It's been what, 2-3 years now since they talked about PHASE II of bayou place. This will be another bomber to downtown's vibrant entertainment sencery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Oops, I meant "I just found something out." Sorry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzseattle Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I just found sometimes out. If Crescent Real Estate Equities(also the owner of bayou place) is in on this project, Pavillion at Houston Center that means it will never get built. For one, Crescent mention PHASE II on the bayou place, did it happen? No. It's been what, 2-3 years now since they talked about PHASE II of bayou place. This will be another bomber to downtown's vibrant entertainment sencery.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>If they screw up again, they should be banned from operating in Houston! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I totally agree with you kzseattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Crescent Real Estate Equities does NOT own Bayou Place. They never have owned Bayou Place. The city "owns" Bayou Place and it is developed and operated by the Cordish Companies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 There seems to be a lot of confusion here, once again. Several years ago, Crescent Real Estate Equities, which owns Houston Center, including the Shops at Houston Center (formerly the Park Shops) talked about developing some more retail attached to or in conjunction with the Shops at Houston Center. They talked about an outdoor pavilion type of development. I presume that is what the Pavilion at Houston Center rendering are from. (Hence the name "Pavilion at Houston Center") This was to have gone on several of the blocks directly east of the Shops at Houston Center, and I think Crescent has since sold all or most of that land to other developers and/or to the City for the new park.The Main at Polk proposal is a different proposal, by different developers for a different parcel (or parcels) of land and has been in the news much more recently. Hopefully, these guys who did the Denver Pavilion can pull a similar project off in Downtown Houston. When I was last in Dowtntown Denver, I could see a lot of similarity with downtown Houston, but Denver is probably at least five years ahead of Houston in retail development. But I don't see any reason why it should work in downtown Denver but not in downtown Houston. In any event, I don't believe we have any reason to think that Crescent Real Estate is involved in the Main at Polk project. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Well, whoever owns it doing a poor job of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 This project will not get off ground. I mean look at this waterfront they was going to build by the bufflao bayou. Did it happen? No. Bayou Place Phase II? No. Shamrock? No. More retail on main street? No. I see more resturants popping up more, which it is still great news for main street. And what happen to the old hardy rail yard pose to be a mixed use project? Another, No. Count them, 1,2,3,4. Four No's for undeveloped projects in downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbaNerd Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 In the hardy project, they are fighting the residents nearby, and I think they have already started cleaning the place up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 In the hardy project, they are fighting the residents nearby, and I think they have already started cleaning the place up.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>They are cleaning some of the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 The Buffalo Bayou Plan is a very long-term visionary plan, bits and pieces of which are being accomplished every year. I doubt if anyone really anticipates every bit of it to be accomplished, and certainly what is done is planned to be done over a period of at least 20 years. As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.Just because a particular project hasn't happened really has very little bearing on whether another by an unrelated developer is likely to happen. And, gosh, Semipro cited FOUR development projects that haven't happened in downtown. How many development projects HAVE happened downtown in the last 5-10 years? Light rail lineMinuteMaid ParkToyota CenterHilton AmericasGRB expansionCotswold projecttwo new Harris County courthouses5 Houston CenterNew ChevronTexaco Tower1000 MainCalpine CenterHobby CenterMagnolia HotelSam Houston HotelHotel IconCourtyard Hotel/Residence InnClub Quarters HotelDowntown AquariumBayou Place I, first and second phasesBayou LoftsKeystone LoftsCommerce TowersI could go on, but I think you get the idea... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Yes, I do understand downtown has accomplished alot over a 5 year period. But do you think downtown needs more entertainment? Even the smaller cities have more entertainment in their downtown. For example, Denver. Denver is a small city, and look what happen to downtown, it's vibrant now. Look at these other small cities. Just imagine we had their entertainment centers, their venue, downtown would be packed every single day, I know I would be down there. Matter in fact, I crazy about downtown now, cause it came long ways to be nothing to something.I agree with you Houston19514 on the progress downtown has made, and I guess you'll right that Rome wasn't built in a day. I guess I want things to happen rapidly when I see other cities building these entertainment facilies, and Houston can not. But time will tell, and when that time comes, Houston will preveil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Hizzy! Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Denver also had a six year head start on downtown redevelopment. It started with Coors Field in 1994. Same with Baltimore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Hey houstonretail...any word yet on if they closed on the property or not? jw keep us posted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Whats all this about?"New ChevronTexaco Tower"??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Whats all this about?"New ChevronTexaco Tower"???aka 1500 Louisiana aka Enron II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trophy Property Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 I just found sometimes out. If Crescent Real Estate Equities(also the owner of bayou place) is in on this project, Pavillion at Houston Center that means it will never get built. For one, Crescent mention PHASE II on the bayou place, did it happen? No. It's been what, 2-3 years now since they talked about PHASE II of bayou place. This will be another bomber to downtown's vibrant entertainment sencery.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Crescent does not own the Bayou Place and never has. Concering the pavillion, all the land around Houston Center was sold by Crescent to the city to build a big part. The Pavillion idea is DEAD. Trust me !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trophy Property Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Crescent does not own the Bayou Place and never has. Concering the pavillion, all the land around Houston Center was sold by Crescent to the city to build a big part. The Pavillion idea is DEAD. Trust me !!<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Build a big Park. Sorry. BTW, everyone seems to forget about the Park Shops (Houston Center). There is a pretty large enclosed mall in downtown and noboby seems to mention it when they are baulking about downtown having zero retail. I think the Main & Polk project would be great, but it is hard to make a bold move when the Park Shops have struggled for so long. Off topic, but the new Strip House steak house in houston Center is awesome. Give it a try. A bit pricey, but worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt16 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Build a big Park. Sorry. BTW, everyone seems to forget about the Park Shops (Houston Center). There is a pretty large enclosed mall in downtown and noboby seems to mention it when they are baulking about downtown having zero retail. I think the Main & Polk project would be great, but it is hard to make a bold move when the Park Shops have struggled for so long. Off topic, but the new Strip House steak house in houston Center is awesome. Give it a try. A bit pricey, but worth it.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't exactly see Dress Barn being the type of retail that people venture downtown for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largeTEXAS Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 The Park Shops are terrible. No one wants to battle traffic to go downtown so they can shop at a depressing, outdated mediocre mall. The whole point of downtown retail is to get away from the mall. It's all about the street. Cute little shops, outdoor dining, a little breeze are all why people want to shop in a downtown environment. In my opinion the owners of the Park Shops should convert the whole thing into a megaplex movie theater. It's already enclosed, let's take advantage of that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77017 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Or "Yall's Texas Store" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trophy Property Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 The Park Shops are terrible. No one wants to battle traffic to go downtown so they can shop at a depressing, outdated mediocre mall. The whole point of downtown retail is to get away from the mall. It's all about the street. Cute little shops, outdoor dining, a little breeze are all why people want to shop in a downtown environment. In my opinion the owners of the Park Shops should convert the whole thing into a megaplex movie theater. It's already enclosed, let's take advantage of that....<{POST_SNAPBACK}>The problem is that everyone on this board has these grand plans, but no clue about the amount of money and time these sort of changes take. Not to mention the risk that those involved take. Change the park shops into a megaplex? Come on. There is the Angelica right across downtown and it does not pull in that much traffic. Why would you even suggest that. As for street level retail, who is that going to attract? I am all for street level retail areas like the Village, River Oaks Shopping Center, Town and Country (not the former enclosed mall) and the shopping along Westhiemer and Weslayan (I can not remember the name of that area)The Park Shops offer an ammentity to the whole of Houston Center. They were developed nearly 2 decades ago (when the Real Estate Market was hopping I might add.) They are currently going through renovations and trust me when I say that the owners are making every effort possible to make them work. But leveling the building or completley changing the entire scope is not only cost prohibitive, but virtually impossible in the short term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachanon Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 thanks for the reality check. remember that we have all ages represented here and quite a few dreamers (me included). personally, i enjoy hearing about the "nuts and bolts" of things, especially when it involves architecture, real estate and development, construction, etc. so, if you're in the know about things like that "spill". but, go easy on the youngsters and dreamers please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largeTEXAS Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 The problem is that everyone on this board has these grand plans, but no clue about the amount of money and time these sort of changes take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Angelica Theater sucks! It's only what 5-6 screen theater? They don't even show all the major movies there. They show indie movies, and 1-2 major movies, come on. I agree they should have a 20-24 screen megaplex theater downtown. The Park Shops might work, but I doubt they will turn it into a theater, but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midtown_resident Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Angelica Theater sucks! It's only what 5-6 screen theater? They don't even show all the major movies there. They show indie movies, and 1-2 major movies, come on. I agree they should have a 20-24 screen megaplex theater downtown. The Park Shops might work, but I doubt they will turn it into a theater, but who knows.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Angelica might suck to the person who is more interested in the mainstream pics that tend to show at the 20-24 types of large facilities...however, to those like me, who enjoy the independent genre, it's a great place. 20-24 theaters is more of a suburban concept and i question it's feasability (financially) in a downtown type of price market. It's easier to throw up 24 screens on the outskirts of town than it is to do it downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 it's a great place.It's OK. I still prefer River Oaks, Rice Media Center and Greenway for my art flicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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