Jump to content

Old Chase Motor Bank Redevelopment (Block 18) 212 Milam St.


houstontexasjack

Recommended Posts

22 minutes ago, Reefmonkey said:

 

I tend to agree with H-Town Man here. Even if IM Pei designed it himself with some grand vision in mind, it's a completely unremarkable looking early 80s one-story commercial building with no significant Houston history to it, and it's not an efficient use of a parcel in downtown Houston in the 21st Century.

 

Seconded 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 5/31/2019 at 11:35 AM, Gator80 said:

I’m not in any hurry to see the bank building destroyed. I.M Pei designed it to be the child of the TCB Tower which was the father and the building building next door with the parking garage was the mother. That’s how he described it. They are a trio and were designed that way. 

 

On 5/31/2019 at 5:19 AM, CrockpotandGravel said:

kzKdkhh.jpg

 

I hope this is true, as it makes me feel a lot better about the swastika on the roof.

  • Haha 3
  • Confused 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, phillip_white said:

I hope this is true, as it makes me feel a lot better about the swastika on the roof.

 

Chase must be in cahoots with Volkswagen. Occasionally, the mask slips. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-ceo/volkswagen-supervisory-board-condemns-ceos-ebit-macht-frei-remark-idUSKCN1QW2HC

 

  • Haha 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...
  • 1 month later...
  • 2 months later...
3 hours ago, CREguy13 said:

It looks like this site closed this month and was sold to Woodbranch - the developer of Market Square Tower.  I would not be upset if there was another MST quality project here...


I guess the challenges are:

 

1- how to incorporate this with the bayou
2- how to construct around the corner of the bayou

3- street level activity yet built to withstand certain flooding in extreme floods

4- making the structure sound with flooding and eroding banks

Edited by Avossos
  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, CREguy13 said:

It looks like this site closed this month and was sold to Woodbranch - the developer of Market Square Tower.  I would not be upset if there was another MST quality project here...

 

I assume that they haven't sold MST yet? That worries me slightly that they won't go very tall to preserve MST views.  That said, their MST investment (and this land investment) would both benefit from development here, so I wonder if they decide to go short to protect MST or just go tall as most views are going away with the Preston anyway.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 minutes ago, kbates2 said:

 

I assume that they haven't sold MST yet? That worries me slightly that they won't go very tall to preserve MST views.  That said, their MST investment (and this land investment) would both benefit from development here, so I wonder if they decide to go short to protect MST or just go tall as most views are going away with the Preston anyway.

 

If the land sold for what it's worth, they will have to go tall in order to make a profit. Also, say the second building is as tall as the first, the apartments in the second building will have equally good views as the first building. So what you lose on the first, you gain on the second. They could also sell the current building before they build the second.

 

My worry is that it will have a crummy ground floor that doesn't add anything to Market Square, similar to MST. But GFR in that neighborhood is a more attractive proposition now than it was in 2014.

 

 

Edited by H-Town Man
  • Like 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 hours ago, hindesky said:

I don't see how they would build something substantial on this block when portions of it are directly over the bayou.

 

It would be interested to see how the parcel is platted and what kind of easement is there for the bayou. I would guess that it would be significantly more expensive to build something substantial there. 

 

I momentarily thought maybe someone could incorporate a patio or something down by the bank, but he bayou isn't particularly well suited for alfresco/waterside ambiance, to say nothing of hardening your structure/décor for flood resistance. 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, Nate99 said:

 

It would be interested to see how the parcel is platted and what kind of easement is there for the bayou. I would guess that it would be significantly more expensive to build something substantial there. 

 

I momentarily thought maybe someone could incorporate a patio or something down by the bank, but he bayou isn't particularly well suited for alfresco/waterside ambiance, to say nothing of hardening your structure/décor for flood resistance. 

 

buttt.......... wouldn't it be awesome if they did make it a cool little spot? I know flooding yada yada but I just can't stop thinking about how cool it would be if we had that along the bayou

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 hours ago, hindesky said:

I don't see how they would build something substantial on this block when portions of it are directly over the bayou.

 

You don't need a full block of land to build something tall. Most of our taller skyscrapers are built on less than a full block. The Preston is going up on half a block.

 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Nate99 said:

 

It would be interested to see how the parcel is platted and what kind of easement is there for the bayou. I would guess that it would be significantly more expensive to build something substantial there. 

 

I momentarily thought maybe someone could incorporate a patio or something down by the bank, but he bayou isn't particularly well suited for alfresco/waterside ambiance, to say nothing of hardening your structure/décor for flood resistance. 

 

Have you been to the Dunlavy?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Houston19514 said:

How deep has the water gotten on that property during our worst floods?

 

I would assume fairly deep.  That should change when the white oak bypass is complete but they would need to plan for that contingency either way I would think.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Nate99 said:

 

It would be interested to see how the parcel is platted and what kind of easement is there for the bayou. I would guess that it would be significantly more expensive to build something substantial there. 

 

I momentarily thought maybe someone could incorporate a patio or something down by the bank, but he bayou isn't particularly well suited for alfresco/waterside ambiance, to say nothing of hardening your structure/décor for flood resistance. 

 

My prediction is that Woodbranch's next project will have a glass-bottom pool projecting over the bayou right above the last high water mark, so when it floods you can swim out and see the hubcaps, tree branches, and water moccasins go right underneath you.

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, hindesky said:

Probably not at the peak of flooding during Harvey. Notice the roof of the drive throughs

aBMZZE7.jpg.

 

Pretty sure there was water lapping the curbs at the other side of Market Square at one point, so whatever the drop off is across the square, that is probably how much deeper it was.

 

Considering how deep they dig for the basements on a highrise, adding ten feet or so for the ground floor level really isn't rocket science. I'm not worried.

 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

23 hours ago, Avossos said:

 

buttt.......... wouldn't it be awesome if they did make it a cool little spot? I know flooding yada yada but I just can't stop thinking about how cool it would be if we had that along the bayou

 

21 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

 

Have you been to the Dunlavy?

 

I think this is what I originally had in mind, but the banks of the Bayou downtown right there are really fairly steep, I don't know if there would be enough room unless...

 

18 hours ago, H-Town Man said:

 

My prediction is that Woodbranch's next project will have a glass-bottom pool projecting over the bayou right above the last high water mark, so when it floods you can swim out and see the hubcaps, tree branches, and water moccasins go right underneath you.

 

 

...you did something like that.  It would have a certain "charm" that couldn't be replicated elsewhere. 

9 hours ago, H-Town Man said:

 

Pretty sure there was water lapping the curbs at the other side of Market Square at one point, so whatever the drop off is across the square, that is probably how much deeper it was.

 

Considering how deep they dig for the basements on a highrise, adding ten feet or so for the ground floor level really isn't rocket science. I'm not worried.

 

 

Watching the engineering for something like that come together would be really cool in this spot.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • The title was changed to 212 Milam: Old Chase Motor Bank Redevelopment
  • 3 weeks later...

Woodbranch put this block back on the market today.  I'm okay with this as I thought I'd heard they were planning to hold this site to keep the unobstructed views from Market Square Tower.  Hopefully it gets scooped up quickly by a developer with big ambitions!

  • Like 9
Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 hours ago, CREguy13 said:

Woodbranch put this block back on the market today.  I'm okay with this as I thought I'd heard they were planning to hold this site to keep the unobstructed views from Market Square Tower.  Hopefully it gets scooped up quickly by a developer with big ambitions!

 

Glad that little plan failed. Much of our development community is still stuck in a suburban mentality. 

 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 8 months later...
  • 3 months later...
  • The title was changed to 212 Milam (Block 18): Old Chase Motor Bank Redevelopment
  • The title was changed to Old Chase Motor Bank Redevelopment - 212 Milam St. (Block 18)
  • 3 months later...

Wow, I was just visiting in tourist-mode but found this "modern relic" fascinating, only to discover in this thread it was I.M. Pei. With that clue, I found this thesis, to read later, but skimming even the illustrated history seems fascinating:

https://uh-ir.tdl.org/handle/10657/6930

GHOSTING I. M. PEI:
Obsolescence in Architecture and the City
After the Drive Thru: a Digital Park
2019-2020 Senior Honors Theses Rabitoy, Colette

Quote

In 1980 I. M. Pei completed his design of the Chase Tower, a building that has still holds the title as the tallest in Houston. The project was built with funds from the late 70's Oil boom along with a surplus of other banking and office infrastructure. In 1984 Pei designed a drive-through bank as an addition to the Chase Tower, built four blocks away at Milam and Congress Street. The pinwheel one-story structure ignores its potential connection to Buffalo Bayou. Today, online banking as well as real estate pressure on a one-story full block site makes the drive-through obsolete, and the location on the bayou leaves the building vulnerable to flooding. The building is abandoned, and its lot is used for parking and loitering. This project explores obsolescence in architecture and aims to build on I. M. Pei's legacy by reimagining the future use of the drive-through bank and its connection to the sub-grade surrounding landscape.

https://hdl.handle.net/10657/6930

 

 

Houston Motor Bank, I.M. Pei, 1984.png

Edited by Rohit Khare
add neon tube light, still working
  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

And another breadcrumb: https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/three-gentlemen-one-ghost-and-a-skyscraper/

Quote

 

Meanwhile, I. M. Pei’s fertile imagination had recently become distracted by yet another Texas Commerce building. When Love first told Pei that the bank needed a drive-in facility, Pei’s response was “What is that?” It seems that the guru of urban architecture had never seen a drive-in bank. Love patiently explained that all Texas banks have one building for pedestrians and another for motorists, and Pei’s eyes flashed. Refusing the opportunity to look at other drive-in banks, Pei designed his own—an innovative building with circular lanes that concentrate all the automotive customers near the center of the block and feed them out on all four surrounding streets. “This will be the child building,” he said, “to go with our father and mother.”

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...
  • The title was changed to Old Chase Motor Bank Redevelopment (Block 18) 212 Milam St.

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...