Naviguessor Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 ZKBP - I was looking at the map and was thinking the same thing. Specifically the block bordered by Austin, Caroline, Dallas and Lamar. Pretty central to venues, attractions and other hotels. Doesn't quite fit the criteria for the East End Line location. But...those options are becoming very limited. This also would provide a good view of and from Disco Green. Would make Embassy Suites fade into the background, I would would bet. Would, also, rquire Four Seasons to up their game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 ^Four Seasons is a 5-Star hotel. They're one of, if not the very best in town. The W, would need to "up" their game to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Despite the title of the This forum, we were discussing a potential Ritz. Certainly a level threat to Four Seasons all too comfortable lead. But with Bill Gates now owning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talltexan83 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 While the service at the Four Seasons in Houston is consistent with their global standards and a 5* property, the facility is not. The lobby, exterior, grounds, etc are not on the same level with other Four Seasons properties around the U.S. I think most would agree that a large scale renovation is coming eventually........but a new Ritz in the area would certainly hasten that schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 ^^ My Points Exactly. Where else downtown would a 5-Star be appropriate do y'all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 ZKBP - I was looking at the map and was thinking the same thing. Specifically the block bordered by Austin, Caroline, Dallas and Lamar. Pretty central to venues, attractions and other hotels. Doesn't quite fit the criteria for the East End Line location. But...those options are becoming very limited. This also would provide a good view of and from Disco Green. Would make Embassy Suites fade into the background, I would would bet. Would, also, rquire Four Seasons to up their game. I suspect you meant Austin, La Branch, Dallas and Lamar. Building a W on the block you specified would obviate any need for the Four Seasons to up their game, since it would have to be demolished to allow for a W on its block. ;-) Another good site would be on the remaining land on the block on which the Embassy Suites sits. Would allow for a cool, creative structure... perfect for a W hotel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 D'oh! You are right.^^ Yes. Sharing Embassy Suites block will be perfect for another Hotel without sizable banquet facilites due to limited floor size. This property would also showcase well from Disco Green. A tall thin W would look great here. W San Fransisco for example... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 ^^ My Points Exactly. Where else downtown would a 5-Star be appropriate do y'all think?the International Tower block, on the south side of Market Square (aside from the obvious being by the park, located in the historic district, near plenty of night life, and a block from the light rail, but also its just over a block from the theater district). or if people seriously think they can squeeze a hotel on the block with Embassy Suites, then they could also squeeze a hotel on the plot directly IN discovery green, on the northeast corner that they were talking about eventually building something on since it mainly goes unused. have it be like "The Ritz at/on/in Discovery Green" or something..as for a W.. how about Uptown Park (if neither of the two remaining parcels at Westcreek turn into a W).. or that new million+ sq ft mixed use development? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I see the W going in around river Oaks / Upper Kirby. Maybe the new Oxy HQ could help sustain the hotel too, but Kirby area is close enough to "uptown" galleria area and to downtown that it would get some residual from those areas. I don't think Upper Kirby has a big hotel anyway. With visitors to residents in River Oaks, I think a hotel like the W could thrive. the only thing sort of lacking is offices in Upper Kirby, and that is starting to change with Hines San Felipe tower and an expanded greenway plaza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I see the W going in around river Oaks / Upper Kirby. Maybe the new Oxy HQ could help sustain the hotel too, but Kirby area is close enough to "uptown" galleria area and to downtown that it would get some residual from those areas. I don't think Upper Kirby has a big hotel anyway. With visitors to residents in River Oaks, I think a hotel like the W could thrive. the only thing sort of lacking is offices in Upper Kirby, and that is starting to change with Hines San Felipe tower and an expanded greenway plaza Now a Ritz downtown would make sense... And one of those "duck hotel brands from memphis" would make sense in Uptown or the new River Oaks District. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUTH Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Midtown would be a good option. It tends to be a youthful brand and midtown has no hotels. I think it would be the anchor to nightlife in the area and close enough to downtown to attract business travelers. W Dallas is outside the CBD and does well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 W Dallas is outside the CBD and does well.The W in Dallas is in victory park, which is basically uptown.. The hottest sub market in Dallas by far... There's no comparison between that location and midtown. I agree with the other points you were saying about midtown, but I could think of a handful of other places it would be in before midtown.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativehoustonion Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Who cares, I stayed there and was not impressed. Last week I stayed at the Hyatt which was much nicer. I cannot believe how downtown Dallas is so empty and they building high rises around it. How sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 There is still so much potential in Midtown that there's no comparison to Uptown Dallas. I'm all for city planning, which Houston is finally beginning to initiate little by little. The problem is that Dallas over plans and over thinks every little thing they build that there is absolutely no organic development within their neighborhoods. I use to live about an hour away from Dallas a few years ago, and one thing I noticed is the culture is so drastically different between Htown and Dallas. Though both cities have some similarities, they are so different. One thing about Houston is we have such a natural style, we have a very big city feel. Nothing stereotypical Texas about Houston. Dallas has the more conventional, Texas stereotype, which they embrace. I won't lie though, Dallas is so lame, mainly because the people are so unoriginal and that translates in to how they build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I am as quick to bash Dallas as the next person, but the above is a bit silly and kind of pointless. They have a slick modern W, and we can't even get one off the ground. That area of Dallas couldn't have been built at a worse time (ala Green Street), but with time it will become what it was planned for. Dallas has vision, and Dallas gets better architecture when it comes to residential and hotel towers. Austin really has the crown in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 One thing about Dallas - ground floor retail all over the place in Uptown.Houston - still trying to split the atom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 No W Hotel going up so....moved to General Houston Discussions for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 One thing about Dallas - ground floor retail all over the place in Uptown.Houston - still trying to split the atom. and how much of that retail is sitting vacant or partially if not wholly subsidized by the office/residential/hotel component? i'll tell you - a bunch of it. dense ground floor retail makes urbanists pants bulge but it rarely makes economic sense. i've spoken to developer after developer and they all say the same thing - if they can subsidize it as an amenity to the major component of the development then they will consider it but by itself it is typically a money loser. example: i was in austin a couple of weekends ago on 2nd street near the W eating dinner with some of my friends that live there. while the restaurants and bars typically do well i asked about the stores. they said many stores shutter or move within 9-12 months because rent is too high and there's absolutely NO PARKING. succesful pedestrian level retail requires a critical mass of residents and i'm sorry but that just doesn't exist in cities like Houston and Dallas and Austin. btw W is still supposedly kicking tires for a houston location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 and how much of that retail is sitting vacant or partially if not wholly subsidized by the office/residential/hotel component? i'll tell you - a bunch of it. dense ground floor retail makes urbanists pants bulge but it rarely makes economic sense. i've spoken to developer after developer and they all say the same thing - if they can subsidize it as an amenity to the major component of the development then they will consider it but by itself it is typically a money loser. example: i was in austin a couple of weekends ago on 2nd street near the W eating dinner with some of my friends that live there. while the restaurants and bars typically do well i asked about the stores. they said many stores shutter or move within 9-12 months because rent is too high and there's absolutely NO PARKING. succesful pedestrian level retail requires a critical mass of residents and i'm sorry but that just doesn't exist in cities like Houston and Dallas and Austin. btw W is still supposedly kicking tires for a houston location. That's why I put the last two quotes in my signature - good reminders. But good to know the success of GFretail vs. GFrestaurants. It's also possibly a good argument for the city building more underground parking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 A little "W Hotel" talk today in HBJ today. QUOTE: Branded residences, condos that are situated on top of premium hotels and use the hotels’ amenities such as those at the W Hotel in Austin, are doing well in Texas' metro markets, but have yet to call Houston home. It won’t be a trend for Houston, but will likely crop up in the near future in hot spots such as the Galleria area and downtown, Thomsen said. UNQUOTE http://www.bizjourna...areas-will.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativehoustonion Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Please listen to Urbannizer, we do not care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 ^What?! Sure, yeah... Urbannizer is the only person on here capable of knowing anything going on in this city of 6+ million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Nativehoustonian has fallin' of his meds today. Somebody call his mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Was kinda hoping nativehoustonian was sitting in first class on that Malaysian flight but then realized he only flies United BF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarface Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 I'm to the point of FFF W hotels. If they think they're too good to establish a presence here, then to hell with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 and how much of that retail is sitting vacant or partially if not wholly subsidized by the office/residential/hotel component? i'll tell you - a bunch of it. dense ground floor retail makes urbanists pants bulge but it rarely makes economic sense. i've spoken to developer after developer and they all say the same thing - if they can subsidize it as an amenity to the major component of the development then they will consider it but by itself it is typically a money loser.example: i was in austin a couple of weekends ago on 2nd street near the W eating dinner with some of my friends that live there. while the restaurants and bars typically do well i asked about the stores. they said many stores shutter or move within 9-12 months because rent is too high and there's absolutely NO PARKING. succesful pedestrian level retail requires a critical mass of residents and i'm sorry but that just doesn't exist in cities like Houston and Dallas and Austin.btw W is still supposedly kicking tires for a houston location.What does this mean 'kicking tires' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Means "shopping for". Like you do when your inspecting a car you're thinking of purchasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Downtown (Even though it would be financial suicide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 On 6/15/2018 at 10:34 PM, ekdrm2d1 said: Downtown (Even though it would be financial suicide Would it be? https://www.chron.com/business/real-estate/article/Marriott-s-W-Hotel-may-be-coming-to-downtown-12614853.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 What's the history of this thread? It was originally placed in "Going Up" but since removed and placed in "General Houston Discussions" instead? Vote approved for downtown. Edit: The W proposal for Uptown (Either BLVD Place or High Street.) Designed by Heights Venture Architects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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