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Will Houston Ever get a Supertall again?

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Is it me or is Downtown Houston's number of blocks pretty darn small, something like 200 blocks.  Where Manhattan might have like 5,000. In addition, if a bunch of cheapish 5 story buildings that age badly get built and we only have 20 blocks left, then what?

 

closer to 400 blocks

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I'm still pulling for a super tall on the old Southwest tower competition site where an 82 story was to be erected. I think that location would be the perfect location centrally located and between the two super talls we currently have downtown.

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With the new proposed legislation by the FAA - we can expect a lot fewer supertalls in the future I would wager.

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I hope to see some supertalls coming to Houston soon, but most of all I hope that Houston will continue the trend of building more urban style developments and never goes back to the days of stripmalls on every corner.

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With the new proposed legislation by the FAA - we can expect a lot fewer supertalls in the future I would wager.

 

I think the FAA is greatly exaggerating the hazards of building a supertall in downtown Houston (bigger than what we have now).  I don't know the stats but I don't remember ever hearing about planes hitting buildings by accident or due to bad weather.  I hope the proposed legislation never passes.

 

Anyways, I hope Houston gets another supertall someday, the skyline needs more of the wow factor and building tall gives you that.

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After reading in todays Chronicle about the new super sized Kinder Morgan, with its recent acquisitions, making it the third largest company behind Exxon Mobil and someone else and just in front of Chevron, perhaps they will decide to build a new supertall. Of course I would want them to build it on the BOSW vacant lot in the center of town.

 

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I'm still pulling for a super tall on the old Southwest tower competition site where an 82 story was to be erected. I think that location would be the perfect location centrally located and between the two super talls we currently have downtown.

 

I agree with the location, but I wonder if any supertalls will ever be built in Houston.  There's not much of that type of construction in the US outside of New York and Comcast in Philadelphia, is there?  Maybe the economics don't really work.

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After reading in todays Chronicle about the new super sized Kinder Morgan, with its recent acquisitions, making it the third largest company behind Exxon Mobil and someone else and just in front of Chevron, perhaps they will decide to build a new supertall. Of course I would want them to build it on the BOSW vacant lot in the center of town.

 

They weren't even very happy about taking over the remodeled El Paso building after that acquisition (as it was too fancy and didn't align with their low cost culture/image), so unfortunately, no matter how big they get, I can't see them ever building a super tall.  Just not in that company's DNA.

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They weren't even very happy about taking over the remodeled El Paso building after that acquisition (as it was too fancy and didn't align with their low cost culture/image), so unfortunately, no matter how big they get, I can't see them ever building a super tall.  Just not in that company's DNA.

 

Excellent point.   And they don't even occupy the entire Kinder Morgan (nee El Paso) Building.  My impression is they run a very lean operation.

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Well that's too bad. I thought they would be a natural. Sounds like you guys have a better handle on their culture than I do.

I just tHought with the new divisions they might want to consolidate all into one downtown superTALL.

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I agree with the location, but I wonder if any supertalls will ever be built in Houston. There's not much of that type of construction in the US outside of New York and Comcast in Philadelphia, is there? Maybe the economics don't really work.

There's also San Francisco and LA that have supertalls under construction, and Miami, Seattle, and Dallas have some proposed. There seems to be a lot of interest in them, and with our rumor mill running hot with whispers of 60+ story buildings I wouldn't be surprised if we got a supertall soon.

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There's also San Francisco and LA that have supertalls under construction, and Miami, Seattle, and Dallas have some proposed. There seems to be a lot of interest in them, and with our rumor mill running hot with whispers of 60+ story buildings I wouldn't be surprised if we got a supertall soon.

 

What supertalls are proposed in Miami, Seattle and Dallas?

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Miami | One Brickell CityCentre | 1102 Ft

Seattle | 820 2nd Ave | 1300-1400 Ft

 

Chicago has a couple supertalls proposed as well.  Regarding Dallas, I suppose it would be the proposed "landmark tower" to be build by Ross Perot Jr. sometime in the future.  This one bothers me the most.

 

Because we have no reason to stop building, there's also no reason to not build supertalls.  I'm patiently waiting to hear about all the mixed-use and condo high-rises in the pipeline for Uptown and Downtown.  I hope a supertall or two is included in the mix.

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Thanks Democide. 

 

It should be noted that the Seattle proposal seems pretty nebulous and its actual proposed height seems far from certain.

 

For the record, there are no supertalls proposed in Dallas.

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Not sure if the taller one of the two was going to be a supertall.  I mean I never heard an official height mentioned, but it could be.

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Regarding Dallas, I suppose it would be the proposed "landmark tower" to be build by Ross Perot Jr. sometime in the future.  This one bothers me the most.

 

Because we have no reason to stop building, there's also no reason to not build supertalls.  I'm patiently waiting to hear about all the mixed-use and condo high-rises in the pipeline for Uptown and Downtown.  I hope a supertall or two is included in the mix.

 

Regarding Dallas, Ross Perot Jr. has made no proposal whatsoever for that property, let alone a supertall.  Again, there are no supertalls proposed in Dallas.

 

Mostly agree with your final two sentences.  I'd love to see a mixed-use supertall in downtown (not so much uptown).

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Regarding Dallas, Ross Perot Jr. has made no proposal whatsoever for that property, let alone a supertall.  Again, there are no supertalls proposed in Dallas.

 

Mostly agree with your final two sentences.  I'd love to see a mixed-use supertall in downtown (not so much uptown).

 

 

Notice how HInes chooses locations along the Main St. rail line for both its 811 & 609 Main buildings; surely they're an affirmation for rail as a transit option for the workforce.  The recent momentum for both residential development and expansion of Metro's rail lines must help the chances for additional highrise construction downtown.  Unlike NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc., for a city with few topographic obstacles to inhibit high-density office areas it's already remarkable for downtown Houston to have the skyline that it does.  In lieu of earthly features, it's vehicle traffic and severely inadequate mass transit that's increasingly burdening the potential for companies to build/locate/expand downtown.  The faster the metropolitan area implements a robust rail network (including commuter rail connecting the burbs), the more barriers might be eliminated for corporate and residential desire to be in the city center.

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Besides lots along the rail lines being prime locations for building in downtown, access to the tunnels/skywalks is just as important, maybe even more so. If we do get a supertall, I don't see it being built at a location that does not have access to the tunnel/skywalk system.

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Notice how HInes chooses locations along the Main St. rail line for both its 811 & 609 Main buildings; surely they're an affirmation for rail as a transit option for the workforce.  The recent momentum for both residential development and expansion of Metro's rail lines must help the chances for additional highrise construction downtown.  Unlike NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc., for a city with few topographic obstacles to inhibit high-density office areas it's already remarkable for downtown Houston to have the skyline that it does.  In lieu of earthly features, it's vehicle traffic and severely inadequate mass transit that's increasingly burdening the potential for companies to build/locate/expand downtown.  The faster the metropolitan area implements a robust rail network (including commuter rail connecting the burbs), the more barriers might be eliminated for corporate and residential desire to be in the city center.

 

if this is indeed a driving factor, the east/west lines will contribute to the downtown skyline in that direction as well.  currently, we feel like two different cities; one city (downtown/med center) has rail, the other city (uptown/greenway plaza) does not. ("tales of rail for two cities"?)

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Developer wants to put up 4 towers (including presumably 2 supertalls) in Dallas. There's nothing to kickstart development down here like a case of Dallas envy.

 

We're already building so much, but yes, I welcome this added incentive to build a lot more.  2015 should be another good year for Houston, and I hope a supertall is in the plans.

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http://m.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2014/10/24/exclusive-turkish-developer-to-buy-land-near.html

Developer wants to put up 4 towers (including presumably 2 supertalls) in Dallas. There's nothing to kickstart development down here like a case of Dallas envy.

 

I hope the Dallas towers get built, at least one of them.

 

There are a lot of rumored super talls in different parts of Houston, hopefully they happen. I would like to see another suppertall in the Galleria area. I take that back, I would rather see one in downtown (really both). Uptown just needs to keep adding density for now.

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A supertall would make a striking change to either city's skyline, but there isn't really much need (Houston could probably justify before Dallas)

 

If one does get built, it  would likely be considerably driven by ego/image - could happen anywhere, which makes the watch for one interesting!

 

In the meantime, I think I prefer the lower profile infill that is increasing overall density

 

 

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Good for them.

I just don't get it, Houston.

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Good for Dallas. These towers will really change their skyline. Maybe when Houston fills up more of its downtown, we can justify getting another supertall.

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I'm still wondering if we'll ever hear anything on 7200 Main.. The springwoods village/cityplace developers have been mum about it. That one was around 60 stories.

And what ever happened to someone saying gensler was working on a 65 story for downtown?

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7200 Main would be a nifty site for businesses that could spawn off from the TMC as part of the idea to turn the TMC into an incubator for medical and biotech startups. Unfortunately, the demand for such office space does not appear to be there right now. 

 

Where were the reports of a 65-story tower designed by Gensler? I have not previously heard of that.

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And what ever happened to someone saying gensler was working on a 65 story for downtown?

 

Unfortunately I haven't run into anyone wearing a Gensler shirt and bombarded them with questions since then. I wasn't trying to say it was a certainty, just that one of my questions was if they had been working on anything big height-wise, and they said they were working on a potential 65 story tower for a confidential client in downtown. This was about 6 months ago, so who knows what the status is now. It might be dead, or it might be more real then the proposed multi-tower development in downtown Dallas.

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You know, I was definitely part of the supertall clan for years. But, I must admit, I am enjoying seeing the infill in all corridors of HTown. If a 1000 plus footer was announced, of course I would be frothing at the mouth, but I am content with 40/60 storey towers with distinct design merit being built at this time. The older I get, the more I lean toward iconic over height. :)

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Growing up, my generation was promised many things. I most look forward to hover cars ( magnetic or otherwise) and a livable Earthlike planet discovery. I have since added one more bucket list of destiny. I want to see a 90 storey tower in Houston. Completed. Not imagined, not a proposal. But a bona fide 90 storey tower erected in either DT or UT. That's my dream. I am 46 this year. I still have hope. ;)

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Maybe they could re-assemble that Astroworld tower in Downtown Houston and make it 1,003 feet tall instead, wonder what they did with that?

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Looking at SSP, it's like almost every super tall is in NYC.

 

Nobody builds over 50/60 stories in Houston. Maybe Post Oak is due for a 70-story tower soon :lol:

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23 minutes ago, ekdrm2d1 said:

Looking at SSP, it's like almost every super tall is in NYC.

 

Nobody builds over 50/60 stories in Houston. Maybe Post Oak is due for a 70-story tower soon :lol:

I hope so!

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When was the last "supertall" greenlit in Houston, anyway? I wonder if September 11 didn't put a damper on a lot of peoples' enthusiasm for supertalls. Not that I think everyone thinks that planes flying into them is now more than an astronomical risk, but seeing quite graphically how difficult it is to rescue people high up in one of those towers if any kind of emergency occurs. But even before then, I've avoided working or staying in high floors of tall buildings on a regular basis (watched Towering Inferno on the Channel 13 Million Dollar Movie a few too many times as a kid), so that may just be my thing, and plenty of supertall buildings could have been built since then.

 

I have no stance one way or another on whether a supertall building should be built in Houston, but I do wonder why a passing observer would have much stake in wanting to see one built. Maybe it's a Freudian thing.

 

I kid, I kid.

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