BeerNut Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 East End is roiled as mixed-income housing plans advance Quote The East End unfolds next to downtown as a patchwork of luxury townhomes, rusty warehouses, car shops and hipster bars. The Houston Housing Authority aims to add something the area has never seen: a pair of apartment complexes where low-income residents would live in the same buildings as working-class Houstonians and young professionals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downtownian Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, BeerNut said: East End is roiled as mixed-income housing plans advance It wouldn't bother me if this also put 5,000 units in river oaks. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, downtownian said: It wouldn't bother me if this also put 5,000 units in river oaks. River Oaks would boycott if one mixed income house popped up. The amount that this area gets screwed by the city is unimaginable. I've lived all over Houston and i'm in this area now. There has never been a neighborhood I've lived in that's been more of a dumping ground for the city's unwanted projects than over in this area. Whether it's soup kitchens, low income housing, monthly bike rides, dump sights, the city just leaves it here all in a particular mile and a half radius surrounding Navigation and East of 59 and says it's to combat gentrification. Edited January 26, 2020 by I'm Not a Robot 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, I'm Not a Robot said: River Oaks would boycott if one mixed income house popped up. The amount that this area gets screwed by the city is unimaginable. I've lived all over Houston and i'm in this area now. There has never been a neighborhood I've lived in that's been more of a dumping ground for the city's unwanted projects than over in this area. Whether it's soup kitchens, low income housing, monthly bike rides, dump sights, the city just leaves it here all in a particular mile and a half radius surrounding Navigation and East of 59 and says it's to combat gentrification. Monthly bike rides are one of the city's unwanted projects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 58 minutes ago, august948 said: Monthly bike rides are one of the city's unwanted projects? Absolutely and the fact that you even have to ask tells me you don't live in the area. Once a month I have to plan my Friday around thousands of loud bicyclists taking over the streets literally preventing me from being able to access my home and then returning around 11 PM making tons of noise and being rambunctious. Critical Mass was kicked out of downtown and moved to the Heights. They didn't make it one week before being forced to move to East End. 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Critical Mass rides all over the city and it doesn't take hours to wait for them to pass. I rather enjoyed seeing them ride down Sunset when I lived there. Much rather them than the folks driving 50 mph in a residential area. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 11 hours ago, KinkaidAlum said: Critical Mass rides all over the city and it doesn't take hours to wait for them to pass. I rather enjoyed seeing them ride down Sunset when I lived there. Much rather them than the folks driving 50 mph in a residential area. Critical Mass doesn't bother me, don't they usually meet at D&W's? I've been able to drive past to my home and watch them sometimes pass outside my window. It's really not a big deal and pretty cool to see some of the custom bikes. Anyhow, much preferred to the car thieves on bikes who ride around at 2 & 3 am. Not super concerned on the low income housing, the neighborhood is pretty low income as it is. The unstoppable march of town houses is spilling over EaDo and into Greater Eastwood. The soup kitchen/s will have to relocate once the freeway is expanded. Speaking of, the camps are slowly moving south on 45. There's one on Emancipation under 45 that uses political signs as a fort wall and had a Christmas tree up. The City really needs to think about where these people are going to be pushed to once the tents under the current 59 freeway get displaced. Where are they going to go? Greenspoint? Pushed down the freeways until they reach the burbs? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, KinkaidAlum said: Critical Mass rides all over the city and it doesn't take hours to wait for them to pass. I rather enjoyed seeing them ride down Sunset when I lived there. Much rather them than the folks driving 50 mph in a residential area. After a few months, I got used to them meeting outside of my front door. It's not a simple ride by that lasts a few seconds for people who live around the park. It's hundreds of cars parked along the street where friends cannot come over during that time period because there is no street parking. It's having to plan once a month whether you want to come home early to avoid being blocked out of your house or-deciding if you want to stay out a little late to make sure you are able to access your house. It's the noise at 11PM when at times you may have to be up at 6 AM the next day. They return to the park and often times turn it into a party where they blast music from their stereos until they are ready to go home. Critical Mass was never a thought in my head prior to them relocating, even being stuck behind them sometimes it was neat to see all of them having fun, but when they begin to meet outside of your house, it's a bit more than what others deal with regarding the ride. It's a statement of fact they were kicked out of Downtown and that the Heights prevented them from meeting at the park off of Usener. Whether or not you love watching bikes take over the roads is up for discussion. Whether or not Critical Mass is a positive thing, is up for discussion.Everyone who doesn't live where they meet up, has no idea and I hope they don't move outside of your house if the East End ever rallies to get them out. The fact is, they were unwanted in Downtown, they were refused in the Heights and they landed in the East End in August 2018 and have been there ever since. There is a reason why they had to relocate, they are a nuisance for those who live in the vicinity of their meeting point. The city helped them move to the East End and in fact, recommended they did. It's a perfect analogy for other unwanted developments like the one mentioned in the article. Edited January 27, 2020 by I'm Not a Robot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Clean19 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Homeless congregate where ever the services are and create skid row where drugs and other services are openly provided. Houston's NE area around Midway's East River has become a dumping ground for those that have cancelled the Affordable Housing project off of 610 West. Conspiracy me thinks it is more about maintaining voting districts than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post samagon Posted January 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, I'm Not a Robot said: The fact is, they were unwanted in Downtown, they were refused in the Heights and they landed in the East End in August 2018 and have been there ever since. There is a reason why they had to relocate, they are a nuisance for those who live in the vicinity of their meeting point. The city helped them move to the East End and in fact, recommended they did. It's a perfect analogy for other unwanted developments like the one mentioned in the article. I stopped attending CM about 5 or 6 years ago. back when they met at Tranquility park. the idea of CM is a great one. build awareness. I stopped going for 3 reasons: 1. idiots don't know how to ride in groups. I don't wear a helmet typically because I ride in areas I feel safe enough (bayou paths mainly, and low traffic roads), but I found after many close calls with other cyclists who were on one side of the road, seeing their friend on the other side, and just cutting across everyone to go say hi without looking first, I was wearing a helmet specifically for CM because I didn't feel safe due to the other riders in the group. 2. idiots being horrible to cars. there is a very small minority that take riding in huge numbers as a way to act aggressively towards vehicles. they ride in opposing lanes of traffic and do not allow any cars to move anywhere at all. others see this, and they assume it's ok, so they join in. I don't want to be a part of that. 3. where they ride. riding in areas that are already heavily cycled areas, what awareness are you creating? so CM rides go to areas that already have heavy cycle traffic, Montrose, east end, heights, downtown *twirls fingers* woohoo. you want to get your message out to the public? meet at Memorial park and go ride on Post Oak and Westheimer. the idea of CM is great, in execution it could be done better. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 1/27/2020 at 11:12 AM, samagon said: I stopped attending CM about 5 or 6 years ago. back when they met at Tranquility park. the idea of CM is a great one. build awareness. I stopped going for 3 reasons: 1. idiots don't know how to ride in groups. I don't wear a helmet typically because I ride in areas I feel safe enough (bayou paths mainly, and low traffic roads), but I found after many close calls with other cyclists who were on one side of the road, seeing their friend on the other side, and just cutting across everyone to go say hi without looking first, I was wearing a helmet specifically for CM because I didn't feel safe due to the other riders in the group. 2. idiots being horrible to cars. there is a very small minority that take riding in huge numbers as a way to act aggressively towards vehicles. they ride in opposing lanes of traffic and do not allow any cars to move anywhere at all. others see this, and they assume it's ok, so they join in. I don't want to be a part of that. 3. where they ride. riding in areas that are already heavily cycled areas, what awareness are you creating? so CM rides go to areas that already have heavy cycle traffic, Montrose, east end, heights, downtown *twirls fingers* woohoo. you want to get your message out to the public? meet at Memorial park and go ride on Post Oak and Westheimer. the idea of CM is great, in execution it could be done better. Is there a way to voice where they should ride next? I ride frequently, but I’ve only done CM twice. I like that it’s great for new and veteran riders alike but it gets too crazy. I would like for the to focus on the West aide of Houston though. I feel cyclists in neighborhoods around downtown are slowly getting respect along with pedestrians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBayouBred Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I was on the HHA call today, and the tax free low income housing to be built on the corner adjacent to this property passed. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houstonian4Life Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Which lot is this at? Is this the one at 800 Middle St on the other side of the bayou? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBayouBred Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBTX Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 So which one passed? All three? The two large ones? Can't wait to hear the shitstorm that will go up once people hear about low income housing going in a superfund site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houstonian4Life Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I’m under the impression the NRP one by the silos passed. Not 100% sure thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdotwill84 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) good. glad this area will have mixed income levels Edited April 22, 2020 by sdotwill84 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUTEX Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Ojalla = mixed income, workforce housing (teachers, firemen, etc) NRP = replacement for Clayton homes, voucher program Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahawk Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 How much influence does Midway have on decisions such as this? I would imagine it's not in their interest for low income housing to be located next door to this project. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burt Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Corruption at its finest. https://youtu.be/PZNBIwbMNQw https://youtu.be/BsUzsbnYRu4 https://youtu.be/LIsR4T-kwtU https://youtu.be/OBmq1GP67zg https://youtu.be/fKruR5PmzzI 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 hour ago, ahawk said: How much influence does Midway have on decisions such as this? I would imagine it's not in their interest for low income housing to be located next door to this project. I imagine it’s in midways’s best interest to have as many residents as close to the development as possible. These are mixed income projects with the majority at market rate. This can’t hurt their marketing efforts, I would think. You’re not going to get high end development backing up to train tracks and a newly rerouted 45/69, elevated highway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedistrict84 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 34 minutes ago, Naviguessor said: These are mixed income projects with the majority at market rate. I don’t believe that’s accurate. The majority of units for each of these will be at 60% AMI or below—400 units at the NRP development and 304 units at the Ojala development. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUTEX Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 To be clear, the two proposed projects are distinctly different tenant profiles. South of the bayou is getting the shaft. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houstonian4Life Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Yeah, but NRP is the replacement for Clayton, Ojalla is going to be a mix of incomes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Isn't at least part of the Ojalla property in the intended path of I-49/1-69 rebuild? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 2 hours ago, thedistrict84 said: I don’t believe that’s accurate. The majority of units for each of these will be at 60% AMI or below—400 units at the NRP development and 304 units at the Ojala development. I am just referring to Ojala. I’m not entirely sure about the NRP proposal. But, 304 “affordable” units, in a development of (I’ve heard) up to 1100units, is not too bad. In fact it good! Now, admittedly, I haven’t seen the many details on the project and don’t know what it’s current size, let alone design and format is. But, I’m not upset by what I’ve heard thus far, and I live in the neighborhood. I would appreciate more details from the developer and from HHA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedistrict84 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, Naviguessor said: I am just referring to Ojala. I’m not entirely sure about the NRP proposal. But, 304 “affordable” units, in a development of (I’ve heard) up to 1100units, is not too bad. In fact it good! Now, admittedly, I haven’t seen the many details on the project and don’t know what it’s current size, let alone design and format is. But, I’m not upset by what I’ve heard thus far, and I live in the neighborhood. I would appreciate more details from the developer and from HHA. I feel like that 1100 number is the unit count between both developments. I don’t see how the Ojala development alone could have that many units. Unfortunately HHA hasn’t been very forthcoming with details and the manner in which they approved the project was a bit shady. I wouldn’t expect much from them. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 If they do a mix of apartments and townhouses, 1100 units is totally doable on a lot of that size. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Naviguessor said: I am just referring to Ojala. I’m not entirely sure about the NRP proposal. But, 304 “affordable” units, in a development of (I’ve heard) up to 1100units, is not too bad. In fact it good! Now, admittedly, I haven’t seen the many details on the project and don’t know what it’s current size, let alone design and format is. But, I’m not upset by what I’ve heard thus far, and I live in the neighborhood. I would appreciate more details from the developer and from HHA. I love your optimism but as your neighbor in the area I fear that the city had decided to just dump everything that the Heights or other more affluent areas has fought off into a very small area. This HHA property purchase was done as far as I can tell without a proper public hearing and I'm going to guess the city doesn't care much about it. This seems to be the norm in this direct vicinity. Hopefully once more powerful developers make their way to actually having to lease out structures built, they can get into the ear of the city because the citizens clearly cannot. I imagine that there will be some public push back on the building of this but it will eventually get done. I get the desire to ensure that the area doesn't push out people who have lived there for generations. This is empty land being built up tax free while our tax rate rivals the nicest areas in Houston. This kind of land could have been used for parks or something to beautify the area especially as we see an implementation of the Buffalo Bayou Master Plan (there is a micro park at the silos being built in a tiny tract near this plot) and actually given back to an area that has been the most vulnerable to the affects of industry. I genuinely appreciate your optimism but the only people who should be happy about this happening are the developers who are profiting due to contracts with the city to build tax free land and count it as a write off and the cry babies in the other neighborhoods who would protest for years if this came to their street. Edited April 23, 2020 by I'm Not a Robot 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Clayton Homes is being demolished by TXDOT, and its residents are your neighbors too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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