Triton Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Angostura said: There's nothing there to tie in to. There is Summer St. and Crockett St. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Yeah I think that's overstating this site's isolation by quite a bit. There's also the bike trail right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 And it's right next to the Kroger. Can park there and walk around. Also would be nice if they find a way to connect it to the Target shopping center without you having to go back to the Heights trail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angostura Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) On 11/30/2018 at 6:08 PM, Triton said: There is Summer St. and Crockett St. Neither Summer nor Crockett are thru streets to this site. To get to anything resembling a neighborhood, you have to cross 6 acres of Target parking lot. It's now clear that the original sin of this entire area is that Target development. If that area had been platted with thru streets and integrated with the 1st/6th ward street grid, it would be possible to continue that pattern here. Unfortunately, integration with the 1st/6th wards wasn't seen as all that desirable when that site was developed. On 11/30/2018 at 9:15 PM, august948 said: And it's right next to the Kroger. Can park there and walk around. On 11/30/2018 at 2:55 PM, Angostura said: The thing about drive-to urbanism is that the "drive-to" part is a lot more important than the "urbanism" part. Edited December 3, 2018 by Angostura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllenOlenska Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Angostura said: To get to anything resembling a neighborhood, you have to cross 6 acres of Target parking lot. I don't know if it's closer than six acres but you can walk on Market Trail under the highway to the Heights and White Oak St. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Angostura said: Neither Summer nor Crockett are thru streets to this site. To get to anything resembling a neighborhood, you have to cross 6 acres of Target parking lot. It's now clear that the original sin of this entire area is that Target development. If that area had been platted with thru streets and integrated with the 1st/6th ward street grid, it would be possible to continue that pattern here. Unfortunately, integration with the 1st/6th wards wasn't seen as all that desirable when that site was developed. You really could connect to those streets if you wanted to. The city does have a planned connection here for Summer St., including a proposed expansion of Sawyer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllenOlenska Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitor Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I appreciate the photos, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed that it's still just a pile of dirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllenOlenska Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I'm sure you've seen it and it doesn't come through in the pictures but it's impressively vast and empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitor Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Yes it is. Hoping we can call it impressively designed and vast one day and hopefully before I move away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Looks like 2 pads being leveled to me with a area south of them being fenced in. 41A5919C-2C4E-4F80-9F7E-3893AC89332B by David, on Flickr 272BF37D-59BD-455A-A009-B3341818913B by David, on Flickr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 On 11/30/2018 at 10:55 AM, Angostura said: Less terrible is better than more terrible, but I think "tie in" is a stretch. There's nothing there to tie in to. The site is an island from a walkability standpoint, bordered by a freeway, a railroad and two big box sites. The thing about drive-to urbanism is that the "drive-to" part is a lot more important than the "urbanism" part. And that's the thing...for the vast majority of the population of Houston, all urbanism is drive-to urbanism. Without the drive-to part, you would likely not get much at all. Baby steps for a place not designed for density. Baby steps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanith27 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Probably about time to create some catchy hashtaggable nomenclature for this, since I don't see any indication of a mattress store or cheque cashing spot. #lohei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Urbannizer Posted January 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2019 2728 Summer St - 5-story/90,000 sq ft office building. https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/2728-Summer-St-Houston-TX/14599849/ Lower Heights District is a 20 acre mixed use development that will encompass approximately 200,000 square feet of walk-able retail & restaurants, 370 residential units and over 90,000 square feet of office space in Phase I of the project. The building is 90,000 square feet of Class A office space with a large, landscaped, third story private deck. The building will have first and second floor retail and restaurants along with two passenger elevators and one freight elevator. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Angostura Posted January 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2019 I was kind of impressed until I saw the last picture. 12 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Aside from the parking lot, I like it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitor Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 So based on these renderings/detail there will be office space, apartments, a movie theater, a Michael's, west elm, and at least one giant parking lot. Missing anything? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EllenOlenska Posted January 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2019 I could walk there but with such a robust parking lot I might just have to drive my F-150. 10 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post swtsig Posted January 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2019 i'd like to think that the parking lot is just a necessary placeholder for future development. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 That would be nice, but it doesn't look like that's the plan. That's a standard nasty big box strip mall (that even appears to house a Michael's) behind the giant parking lot. That being said, the rest of the site is way better than it could have been, so... hurray? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Urbannizer said: 2728 Summer St - 5-story/90,000 sq ft office building. https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/2728-Summer-St-Houston-TX/14599849/ Personally, I believe this is the best result in the realm of realistic possibilities. Those of you who look at Westcreek / RO District see the Target and parking lot as huge opportunity for future redevelopment... this is similar. This development must include a parking garage (movie theater and offices) in addition to the apartment garage. So you have a little bit of everything. As density increases, we will likely see the parking lot and box stores change. You cant go from a 2 to a 10 overnight. Don't fool yourself... convenient parking is amazing and a factor of success. I go to the target near here all the time. I doubt I would frequent it as much if parking was not easy. Edited January 3, 2019 by Avossos 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablog Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Avossos said: Personally, I believe this is the best result in the realm of realistic possibilities. Those of you who look at Westcreek / RO District see the Target and parking lot as huge opportunity for future redevelopment. This development must include a parking garage (movie theater and offices) in addition to the apartment garage. So you have a little bit of everything. As denisity increases, we will likely see the parking lot and box stores subject to change. Don't fool yourself... convenient parking is amazing and a factor of success. I go to the target near hear all the time. I doubt I would frequent it as much if parking was not easy. I agree with this. This development reminds of University Village in Seattle, WA. It is very walkable and popular, even though it has a large parking lot in front of the grocery store. I can definitely see this lot becoming a parking garage in the future if the development becomes a huge success, but I like this project from the look of it so far. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angostura Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 It looks like what would happen if Highland Village and the Central Market across the street had a baby. BTW, there's structured parking elsewhere on the site. Why separate one of your anchor tenants from the rest of the development with a sea of asphalt? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerloop Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I'm still hoping that they incorporate some sort of specific entrance from the bike path up in the northeast corner. Something inviting and landscaped with bike racks obviously. Don't see anything like that in the drawings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skooljunkie Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 ...someone has the site plan...gimme gimme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Like the industrial feel of the West Elm building. Kinda reminds me of old industrial buildings you would find nestled in the massive city blocks of Berlin. I agree with most, the giant parking lot is a bummer, but looking at it pragmatically its a necessary evil, it doesn't deface the development, and does help with ease of access. As the city continues to mature more, these will become the first sites to be drastically altered (could be a nice spot for a signature building or even a park). Lets give credit were credit is due and keep encouraging developers that they are on the right track (while of course making sure they continue to get better). This was the best possible outcome for this site considering the disappointment that is Kroger right next to it (very likely could have done something similar). Its been interesting watching this free market experiment with competing versions of new urbanism. While they are not perfect, the fact that these are the models of development they are choosing to duel with is an incredible sign of maturity in the city than before when it was a duel between big box store plazas. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Luminare said: Like the industrial feel of the West Elm building. Kinda reminds me of old industrial buildings you would find nestled in the massive city blocks of Berlin. I agree with most, the giant parking lot is a bummer, but looking at it pragmatically its a necessary evil, it doesn't deface the development, and does help with ease of access. As the city continues to mature more, these will become the first sites to be drastically altered (could be a nice spot for a signature building or even a park). Lets give credit were credit is due and keep encouraging developers that they are on the right track (while of course making sure they continue to get better). This was the best possible outcome for this site considering the disappointment that is Kroger right next to it (very likely could have done something similar). Its been interesting watching this free market experiment with competing versions of new urbanism. While they are not perfect, the fact that these are the models of development they are choosing to duel with is an incredible sign of maturity in the city than before when it was a duel between big box store plazas. I also like the comparison given to University Village in Seattle. You're very right about how the city is maturing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 On 1/3/2019 at 1:28 PM, Urbannizer said: 2728 Summer St - 5-story/90,000 sq ft office building. https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/2728-Summer-St-Houston-TX/14599849/ Honestly, I am just glad we are getting a Cinemark so close. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 15 years ago this whole area was a huge industrial complex with toxic waste and ugly warehouses full of stuff and no future in sight. It went from Washington Avenue all the way to to I-10. I used to drive to my studio on Silver, Summer, Winter, White streets and dodge trash, scare away wild dog packs, hear bullets in the night and trains all the time. Progress takes time and this is pretty remarkable compared to what it once was. Sometimes you have to have a little more patience. It will all change over time. Imagine if there was a time lapse video of NY city over the last century how much it changed. Nothing remains the same, unless its done right the first time. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andre154 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Building permits filed last week for the project. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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