Avossos Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh seems like a waste of space. go up not out. But development in that area is needed. So i am torn. Was hoping for better. and we lost 4 stories somehwere.... How will they break up the phases on this??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Eh, very disappointing. Thought these was supposed to be twice as tall as the alliance one on Main. Why Camden???? WHY????!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Isn't this two blocks, two phases? One block/phase 8 stories (this we see) and the other 12? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 That part of downtown needs development, but this is awful. It doesn't encourage interaction with the streets or sidewalks and is 100% built for drive-in/drive-out living. The only thing missing from the rendering is barbed wire on the fencing to complete the Third World look. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 The other thing missing here, are views of the other three sides. To me, this looks like the back of the building, as there is not any apparent pedestrian entrance. Perhaps, this garage is the the back...behind retail. Looks like it to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 will the sheer bitching never stop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 will the sheer bitching never stopWhy should we? This is our city. We live it and want the best for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Why should we? This is our city. We live it and want the best for it. Who does not ? but link after link its just bitching , bitching , bitching.. one after the other .. am I trilled by some of these no... but i would take them over a damn parking lot anyday... I would love a more uniform design to the area... I would love for all these delveopers to get togther and say lets work out some designs that completmet each others buildings, not look like a hudge pod of random thrown toghetr apts.. but on the same hand I welcome thousands of more people , living in DT, which will encourage more stores to open DT, which will encourage more high end places to open DT .. which will bring more people on the St of DT.. as the area population grows the fancy apts will follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 We are all happy for more residential options, but still, why should we settle for crappy designs right smack in downtown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZKB9 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Kind of disappointed by the lack of height and street level retail, although I do like the modern aesthetic and we all know that area needs development. Edited March 6, 2014 by ZKB9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I guess it is better than what is there now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intencity77 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I guess it is better than what is there now.Oh goodness, the good ol' "it's better than what's there now" justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Oh goodness, the good ol' "it's better than what's there now" justification.Yep. We are a city if people who just settle for anything. According to Moore we shouldn't B#&$H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Yep. We are a city if people who just settle for anything.According to Moore we shouldn't B#&$HNo according to me.. bitching and moning about it will not stop it from being built, so we should at least be glad it will be one less parking lot !!!! or we can hope it fall thu at which point everyone can go back to bitching about how DT is blighted with nothing but parking lots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Well this is an architecture forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 will the sheer bitching never stop I try not to complain about projects too much, but you have to admit, they barely tried at making this interact well with the street. This is one step above garden style apartments. Okay, that's a stretch, but I just feel like exaggerating ;p I don't care if this doesn't have GFR. I think everyone would be much happier if they at least disguised the garage better. Would it cure all things? No, but it'd be a big step. That and giving us our 4 floor back! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbates2 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Son of a B. I need to try to post earlier. ^^^ This rendering does blow. I live in Camden City Centre in midtown. I like the design of these. Other than that, every Camden seems to suck for one reason or another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 The more I think of this one, the more I think it is a huge let down. No thanks Camden. Try again. This one sucks. Not worth closing the street for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 The more I think of this one, the more I think it is a huge let down. No thanks Camden. Try again. This one sucks. Not worth closing the street for! They're closing the street? I know my memory is awful but I don't remember hearing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 How do we know that there is no GFR in this development? One rendering of one side of one block in a two block project?? Maybe we could learn some facts before we fly off the handle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 yeah ive definitely never heard of them closing the street. thats one of the streets the east end wants to use for their streetcar system/spur into downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 How do we know that there is no GFR in this development? One rendering of one side of one block in a two block project?? Maybe we could learn some facts before we fly off the handle. You're right, we don't. But in my opinion, I'd be shocked if there was because its relatively isolated, especially compared to other areas of downtown. Of course, if it did, it'd be a pleasant surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 http://www.downtownhouston.org/site_media/uploads/attachments/2014-03-05/140303_Project_Renderings_11_x_17.pdfhey urb, any idea what the highlighted block next to the Nau that isnt lettered is? on the skinny block in front of Minute Maid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 hey urb, any idea what the highlighted block next to the Nau that isnt lettered is? on the skinny block in front of Minute Maid. ewwwwww! The link says a parking garage????! http://www.downtownhouston.org/site_media/uploads/attachments/2014-03-05/140303_Downtown_Houston_Development_Map_11x17.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 The picture shown looked to me to cover 2 blocks. Maybe if it isn't, this is he shorter building and the 12 story one is still to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 It's on two separate blocks, but it does not necessarily mean they are shutting down the street. Considering this is Leeland, they won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 It's on two separate blocks, but it does not necessarily mean they are shutting down the street. Considering this is Leeland, they won't.The two wings doesn't look big enough to be separate blocks, and the entrance in the middle has a ramp so that would mean the middle street would be closed off. I dunno, I hope the rendering drastically changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 It may be short sighted or whatever, but interaction with the street around there is probably best avoided at the moment. To pull off the kind of transformation of downtown that most here want in some form or another, I think you need to start with stuff just like this to make the "cooler" ideas more plausible in phase two with an already established customer core for the holiest of holy pedestrian friendly street scenes. Lord knows there will still be plenty of parking lots to claim for whatever urbtopian visions might yet spring forth. There are too many variables to "master plan" a place like DT Houston, the residential incentives seem like a really pragmatic way to get to a denser, more attractive place, but if it doesn't happen organically, you might be left with 20 years of bad ideas rotting in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Sorry Nate, I think that's BS. They don't need to make functional store space but they can fake. They could have parking with glass fronts like Sakowitz that can easily be converted down the line to actual stores.Building a fugly building because the area isn't all that is just silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Before we all rush to see who can prove their urbanist bona fides by being the first to slit their wrists over this, perhaps we should pause to consider: 1) We are seeing a rendering of one side of one building. Given that there are two garage entrance/exits and zero doors shown on this rendering, it's fair to presume this is the "back" side of the building. For all we know, the other three sides might be urban paradise. 2) There is a chance this rendering is nothing but a place-holder to represent "planned residential". The first of the two buildings is no even slated to start construction for more than a year. Edited March 6, 2014 by Houston19514 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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