jt16 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Proposals for 1500 Smith Street, the Gateway Site & the possible Allen Center Garage tower are listed on Brookfield's site here:http://www.brookfieldproperties.com/proper...development.cfmCrescent doesn't have anything listed on their website, but it was mentioned in the MainPlace article...There is no way Brookfield adds more office space without adding parking. I work in Two Allen and the Allen Center garage is already packed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 (edited) Proposals for 1500 Smith Street, the Gateway Site & the possible Allen Center Garage tower are listed on Brookfield's site here:http://www.brookfieldproperties.com/proper...development.cfmCrescent doesn't have anything listed on their website, but it was mentioned in the MainPlace article...Very nice. Thanks for that.They say 1500 Smith could accommodate 800,000-1 Mil sqf. What size building would that more or less be?According to the chron map, the Gateway is the only of the two listed. (I don't know where the "Gateway" site actually is, but it's not on Smith, so.) Plus, the Chron article says "at least" four. That must be where 1500 Smith comes in since it is not on the map.Do these possible towers have their own threads? Should they?And Brookfield has both of them listed as "pre-development" right now. Does that mean there's a good chance of them being built or could that just mean they're considering it? Edited January 6, 2008 by lockmat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I'm not sure how accurate this is but I remember the mayor saying something around the time of the initial park land purchase and design process. He said that many developers had expressed interest in nearby lots close to the park (Disco Green)as the city was going through the process of setting a program for and then designing the park. I forgot exactly where I heard this because it was a while back.....but think about it. Do we know of any lots that were developed DIRECTLY because of the park?.....yes... One Park Place.Oddly enough, Disco Tower and Embassy Suites are located bordering the park. La Quinta...Minute Maid has been there since 2000 but this property is purchased 4 months before the preview of Disco Green. I don't think this is a coincidence and I will go on to say that I believe that some developers somewhere are thinking of ways to develop lots close to the park because they own them. If only we know what could be in store. Go back and look at the proposed and under construction map of downtown for new projects. There sure is a bunch of activity on that side of downtown but the question remains -When will we get concrete information about City Centre? Either the rendering prematurely leaked onto the web or a developer hired a firm to come up with a scheme to see if it could be feasible. I say whether it happens or not it proves that developers are thinking of ways to develop downtown Houston which is a good thing. The market will determine how high of a standard it expects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pm91 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 well, Mainplace is 1 million sq.ft. and its 47 stories. so 1500 smith probably isnt too much shorter than Mainplace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 The four other buildings (aside from MainPlace) that Nancy Sarnoff referenced in her article were1) Brookfield site near the Continental building 2) 6 Houston Center 3) Discovery Tower 4) Possible Hines tower site on Main (again, not MainPlace). This one is in the same location as the City Center that this thread discusses. I think we're going off the original 4 proposals mentioned in the article from last August that announced MainPlace. They were mentioned near the end of the piece in addition to this map. I recall Brookfield may have had two buildings planned on the west side of DT though... Proposals for 1500 Smith Street, the Gateway Site & the possible Allen Center Garage tower are listed on Brookfield's site here:http://www.brookfieldproperties.com/proper...development.cfm Crescent doesn't have anything listed on their website, but it was mentioned in the MainPlace article... Brooksfield was never really discussed as having a "go". 1500 smith was mentioned and even on that website as "pre-development" and was said to be about 3 years away. Citycentre is a possibility, but other than a few renditions, nothing is confirmed. Discovery tower is another thing that I would put as a "go" but no date has been set for construction and the same thing can be said about Houston Center 6. I know a number of the projects are keeping their cards close to their chests to keep the competition guessing, but it drives the rest of us crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Brooksfield was never really discussed as having a "go". 1500 smith was mentioned and even on that website as "pre-development" and was said to be about 3 years away. Citycentre is a possibility, but other than a few renditions, nothing is confirmed. Discovery tower is another thing that I would put as a "go" but no date has been set for construction and the same thing can be said about Houston Center 6. I know a number of the projects are keeping their cards close to their chests to keep the competition guessing, but it drives the rest of us crazy.When Trammel Crow announced Discovery Tower they said construction would begin in the 1st Quarter of '08. Since then, I have read in at least one place that construction was to begin this month (Jan '08). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maceo9903 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Why do things take so long to get off the ground here?!?!? Its driving me crazy! Seems like other cities get proposals,renderings, financing and then break ground within a year. Maybe I dont care about other cities and is why it seems to take so long here. I do hope that Discovery is not a pipe dream and gets going soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Why do things take so long to get off the ground here?!?!? Its driving me crazy! Seems like other cities get proposals,renderings, financing and then break ground within a year. Maybe I dont care about other cities and is why it seems to take so long here. I do hope that Discovery is not a pipe dream and gets going soon.What is taking so long to get off the ground? And what other cities get proposals, renderings, and financing, then breaks ground within a year? It certaintly isn't Atlanta or Dallas, because I could write a book on projects in those cities that have projects on hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maceo9903 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 You totally missed my point. I said that since I dont care about other cities its seems that things happen faster there than here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxDave Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 You totally missed my point. I said that since I dont care about other cities its seems that things happen faster there than here.It probably just seems that these projects take longer because you are watching with such anticipation (like watching the toaster). My experience in multiple cities has shown that the time between announcement and activity (if any) varies based on numerous factors including: the aggressiveness of the developers, the actual probability that anything will happen (initial buzz factor), and of course changing market conditions.Some of these projects get built right away while others never happen at all. That helps keep these boards interesting, albeit sometimes disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maceo9903 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yeah..thats exactly what I was just saying. I just didnt elaborate quite as eloquently as you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 This doesnt look like it's going anywhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 This doesnt look like it's going anywhere... Do you ever have anything positive to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Do you ever have anything negative to say? Well yeah but I'm just commenting that this thing does not appear to be getting off the ground. I sure hope it does. Don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strickn Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 In a word, no. Remember how crappy it was when Hines plopped a half-block parking garage in the Main St. light rail pedestrian corridor last year? How is having Disco Tower's full-block garage on the future Rusk St. light rail pedestrian corridor going to be? One more unrewarding block to keep any interesting activity from developing, and one more sterile expanse to remind people in the neighborhood that it's not worth going out.I hope it dies long enough that when the developers come back, they're compelled to propose something less bare.Unless you were going back to commenting on City Centre rather than on Discovery Tower now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 In a word, no. Remember how crappy it was when Hines plopped a half-block parking garage in the Main St. light rail pedestrian corridor last year? How is having Disco Tower's full-block garage on the future Rusk St. light rail pedestrian corridor going to be? One more unrewarding block to keep any interesting activity from developing, and one more sterile expanse to remind people in the neighborhood that it's not worth going out.I hope it dies long enough that when the developers come back, they're compelled to propose something less bare.Unless you were going back to commenting on City Centre rather than on Discovery Tower now.Yes, I was referring to City Centre. I sure hope it gets off the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) How is having Disco Tower's full-block garage on the future Rusk St. light rail pedestrian corridor going to be?That kind of sucks but I heard that disco tower would have ground level retail. I wonder how likely it is that it will be in the garage part of the structure (similar to Main Place, right?) Edited February 6, 2008 by Jax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 In a word, no. Remember how crappy it was when Hines plopped a half-block parking garage in the Main St. light rail pedestrian corridor last year? How is having Disco Tower's full-block garage on the future Rusk St. light rail pedestrian corridor going to be?It won't "be". The rail line is planned for Capitol, not Rusk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strickn Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I appreciate your fact check, 19514. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Anyone hear anything about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston2010 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Hines didn't plop down a garage on Main Street. Sunbelt, the owner of Pennzoil Place, paid for and built a garage on Main Street. Hines was the construction manager of the project. Hines had as much to do with that garages location and aesthetics as you have control over where Gap will build their next store. You ever wonder why all the protests went unheard? It was because everyone was complaining to the wrong company.In a word, no. Remember how crappy it was when Hines plopped a half-block parking garage in the Main St. light rail pedestrian corridor last year? How is having Disco Tower's full-block garage on the future Rusk St. light rail pedestrian corridor going to be? One more unrewarding block to keep any interesting activity from developing, and one more sterile expanse to remind people in the neighborhood that it's not worth going out.I hope it dies long enough that when the developers come back, they're compelled to propose something less bare.Unless you were going back to commenting on City Centre rather than on Discovery Tower now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeats Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Has anyone heard any news on this since January? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 I just emailed the info email address. Hopefully I'll get an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 I just emailed the info email address. Hopefully I'll get an answer.My fingers are crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 is this the hines site on main where wylie engineering leaked the rendering that was quickly removed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 is this the hines site on main where wylie engineering leaked the rendering that was quickly removed?Yes. And Houston City Centre was never really much of a contender to begin with. Here, there will be an office building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeats Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 The firm -- Kobi Karp -- still has the project up on their website with maps and a rendering. Stop getting my hopes up, Kobi Karp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Hizzy! Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 They have quite a few projects worldwide that they're working on. And, yes, they still do have the first rendering of the 60-story tower up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizen4rmptown Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Yeah, just saw the site and they still have the renderings does anybody know anything new,though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Yeah, just saw the site and they still have the renderingsdoes anybody know anything new,though? I sent them an email a week or two back but I never received a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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