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west20th

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How come you guys aren't mentioning this newswire ? Very suspicious of you Demorats.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/loca...5115625,00.html

He certainly did fail the polygraph. Haggert also certainly did admit to buying meth and getting a massage "no sensations please, I'm NOT GAY!" Polygraphs are faulty. Tension can effect them greatly, especially when the subject is male prostitute, drug dealer who normally is used to flying under the radar.

Well, we both shop at Brooks Brothers. Maybe you can throw that info. into gto's new Red and Blue state polling question ? Sorry, didn't mean to make reference to anyhting relating to polls or poles. It might turn out the preacherman has been getting plenty of both.

Well if he got it 23 times (at least) you can just say he got it only 8 times. Just like the Snowman. :lol::lol: Am I enjoying this too much? :lol::lol:

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west20th

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Well I've enjoyed trashing the hypocrite preacher but now it's off to the "Rainbow Ranch" for a weekend of camping. Actually, we prefer to call it "Queen Acres". There will be about 20 of us and more than a few "Log Cabin Republican" types there that I haven't seen in a while. It will be interesting to see what there take on the GOP is now. See 'ya Monday.

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Are you sure it wasn't them "coloreds" that convinced you to vote Rep? You know, they can be downright scary sometimes.

Yes, as this was covered in the "Black Hole" thread. Heck, them colored folks are even shopping in Pearland now. Goodness. I guess the lily-white folks should have moved further South to Santa Fe to get away.

Boo.

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nmainguy

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How come you guys aren't mentioning this newswire ? Very suspicious of you Demorats.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/loca...5115625,00.html

Actually I checked out the guy who administered the test. He seems to be highly regarded in his field. I'm no expert but it seems there could be a ton of variables when it comes to polygraphs. Maybe that's why they're not admissible in court?

In any event, Haggard's admission he bought meth but didn't use it and only got a massage from a gay "escort" somehow rings a bit hollow as well.

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Heck, I am an admitted queer, but I'd never be caught dead near meth. That is some DIRTY, DIRTY, DIRTY, DIRTY stuff. AND, the people who use it, especially the gay hustler types, will do some STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID things (unsafe sex).

Haggard is a PNP freaker. If he's admitting to meth and knowing a hustler, there's going to be a lot more to this story than what we are hearing now...

I wonder if he's a Circuit Boy and into Special K too? I bet his fave rave would be the White Party cause he's so pure!

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nmainguy

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November 4, 2006

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

New Life Church

Colorado Springs, Colorado

We, the Overseer Board of New Life Church, have concluded our deliberations concerning the moral failings of Pastor Ted Haggard. Our investigation and Pastor Haggard's public statements have proven without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct.

...but we don't have a problem with the meth

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what seems to be missing from this discussion is the idea that christians (many who live in a "christian bubble") have very little contact with assimilated gay society. gays (many who live in a "gay bubble") have very little contact with your everyday christian fundamentalist.

when a story like this erupts, the gay community cries "hypocrite!" to the big bad preacher man. unfortunately, it is the gay community that comes out looking like meth heads and prostitutes to society at large. this story is bad publicity for the gay community. once again, the gay community is (appears to be) the corruptor (to the "christian bubble", "middle america bubble"). having a gay meth selling male prostitute bring this guy down does not shed positive national light on the gay community. it does not help the cause of tolerance or civil issues.

there have always been immoral preachers (or preachers finding themselves....). it's the old "doctor, heal thyself" cliche. it is sometimes the most inspiring person who has the biggest issue. :ph34r:

so many comments on this thread LOVE to THROW STONES. i know where you're coming from. but, most of the time, as difficult as it may be, it's best to put that stone back where you found it. IMHO.

it seems that if anyone who has ever felt the need to live a closeted life for any length of time, especially if you had kids, might have some idea about what this guy has gone through his entire life. add that to growing up in evangelical circles, where you would forever be disregarded unless you "became" straight. i don't think this guy was just out getting off. i think he was trying to connect in a way he wasn't connecting in his personal life. this is a common occurrance in evangelical circles. the whole "church bubble" (i'll continue with the bubble concept) restricts personal connections in such a way that many people find themselves living in a vacuum, especially gay people within that church bubble.

i would like to think that the "armies of compassion" in the gay community who open their arms to needy kids and shun open drug use and embrace social responsibility would want to let this guy (haggard) know that he is not alone in this world. it would be nice for the entire country to see compassion from the gay community towards someone who may be just like them. it would be nice for the entire country to see a different face on the gay community. a face other than the meth dealing prostistute they've seen this week.

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what seems to be missing from this discussion is the idea that christians (many who live in a "christian bubble") have very little contact with assimilated gay society. gays (many who live in a "gay bubble") have very little contact with your everyday christian fundamentalist.

when a story like this erupts, the gay community cries "hypocrite!" to the big bad preacher man. unfortunately, it is the gay community that comes out looking like meth heads and prostitutes to society at large. this story is bad publicity for the gay community. once again, the gay community is the corruptor (to the "christian bubble", "middle america bubble"). having a gay meth selling male prostitute bring this guy down does not shed positive national light on the gay community. it does not help the cause of tolerance or civil issues.

there have always been immoral preachers (or preachers finding themselves....). it's the old "doctor, heal thyself" cliche. it is sometimes the most inspiring person who has the biggest issue. :ph34r:

so many comments on this thread LOVE to THROW STONES. i know where you're coming from. but, most of the time, as difficult as it may be, it's best to put that stone back where you found it. IMHO.

it seems that if anyone who has ever felt the need to live a closeted life for any length of time, especially if you had kids, might have some idea about what this guy has gone through his entire life. add that to growing up in evangelical circles, where you would forever be disregarded unless you "became" straight. i don't think this guy was just out getting off. i think he was trying to connect in a way he wasn't connecting in his personal life. this is a common occurrance in evangelical circles. the whole "church bubble" (i'll continue with the bubble concept) restricts personal connections in such a way that many people find themselves living in a vacuum, especially gay people within that church bubble.

i would like to think that the "armies of compassion" in the gay community who open their arms to needy kids and shun open drug use and embrace social responsibility would want to let this guy (haggard) know that he is not alone in this world. it would be nice for the entire country to see compassion from the gay community towards someone who may be just like them. it would be nice for the entire country to see a different face on the gay community. a face other than the meth dealing prostistute they've seen this week.

Aaaah it's the gay communities fault. Nice try. Open our arms to someone who demonizes us? I don't think so.

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That is a great perspective Bach. I wonder how the gay community on ere views your take on this ? Being gay is not bad in my opinion, that is who you are, and how you wish to live. But, everytime the issue comes up in Washington or for a major figure for a political party outside D.C. there always seems to be some other "stigma" attached to it, as if they are trying to explain WHY the person has fallen from grace. They can't just be GAY, there is always some deeper darker secret associated with it. Do these things just go hand in hand, or is it just how far the person has fallen ?

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That is a great perspective Bach. I wonder how the gay community on ere views your take on this ? Being gay is not bad in my opinion, that is who you are, and how you wish to live. But, everytime the issue comes up in Washington or for a major figure for a political party outside D.C. there always seems to be some other "stigma" attached to it, as if they are trying to explain WHY the person has fallen from grace. THey can't just be GAY, there is always some deeper darker secret associated with it. Do these things just go hand in hand, or is it just how far the person has fallen ?

The issue is not his being gay. It is his HYPOCRASY!!!

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The issue is not his being gay. It is his HYPOCRASY!!!

I agree, don't get so FIERCE ! I am not saying it isn't his own damn fault, Haggard made that massage table to lie on. I am simply posing the question , how rampant is Meth, and drugs in the gay community. It seems to be part of the culture, but of course you can;t go by what you see on T.V. alone. When I was younger, I remember going to Rich's on thursday for hedonism night. Saw a few things drug related, did some drugs, sold some drugs. I just don't know if that might be part of the allure to make some men who call themselves hetero, go switch hit ?

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Haggard and the White House have used each other to advance their political agendas-one portion being the active denial of equal rights for gays. When you advocate for un-equal rights for gays; when you demonize gays in public yet pay for sex with a male prostitute in private-expect to be outed. When you are any number of gay congressmen and women-Rep or Dem or you are the head of the Republican party, expect to be outed when you vote for or advance legislation to deny gays equal rights. It is all about hypocrisy. It's all about the denial of equal rights to one segment of the citizenry who pay the same taxes, raise the same kids and who generally go about their business quietly-until something like this comes along.

As for Haggard, no matter what spin he puts on it, he is a closeted gay man with a drug problem. I hope for his wife's and kid's sake he comes to grips with his gayness and drug addiction. And his blatant hypocrisy.

And as far as the prevelance of drug usage amoung gays, I can only speak for myself. My circle of friends don't do drugs. Maybe it's our age; maybe we've been there/done that. frankly, I've never given it much thought.

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As for Haggard, no matter what spin he puts on it, he is a closeted gay man with a drug problem. I hope for his wife's and kid's sake he comes to grips with his gayness and drug addiction. And his blatant hypocrisy.

And as far as the prevelance of drug usage amoung gays, I can only speak for myself. My circle of friends don't do drugs. Maybe it's our age; maybe we've been there/done that. frankly, I've never given it much thought.

Exactly, I know being older changes things for most. No one in my circle does drugs either. We all used to in the 90's, when we were in our 20's. Television has painted a "Rome is burning" Neroesque type of "culture" on some of it's shows relating to gay life, at least in the "clubbing" scene. Whereas the homelife looks pretty much the same as mine. Nmain, just like your home, I couldn't just drive by and go, "HEEEEEEEYYYYY, looks like some gay guys live there."

Now, nmain is probably thinkin' "Dammit, I thought for sure my house looked gay enough. I have work to do." :P:lol:

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I agree, don't get so FIERCE ! I am not saying it isn't his own damn fault, Haggard made that massage table to lie on. I am simply posing the question , how pampant is Meth, and drugs in the gay community. It seems to be part of the culture, but of course you can;t go by what you see on T.V. alone. When I was younger, I remember going to Rich's on thursday for hedonism night. Saw a few things drug related, did some drugs, sold some drugs. I just don't know if that might be part of the allure to make some men who call themselves hetero, go switch hit ?

Well as far as I can tell it is a problem but not rampant. I really can't think of a single person that uses it and it doesn't seem to be something that is easily hidden. I don't see anyone "switching" because of meth. The "switching" most likely comes before the meth. The thing is that when you are "hiding" your true self and then do "participate" with the community on the sly you end up in the seamy underbelly of that community. With that comes the hookers, drugs etc. I'm not saying we are all goody two shoes but when your only contact with the community is with a hooker, well........

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Aaaah it's the gay communities fault. Nice try. Open our arms to someone who demonizes us? I don't think so.

not at all. i'm simply stating the perception of the gay community at large is damaged on a national scale when the only mention of a gay man is related to meth and prostitution and bringing down a supposed moral leader. the damage to haggard was self inflicted. no one is to blame but him. however, the damage to the gay community is by association. these are objective statements. i did not intend to finger point. i did intend to analyze the story and the outcome of the story in a way that was not being discussed.

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you're not implying that the meth dealing prostitute is some sort of hero are you?

Well of course he is, he brought down a self-righteous demonizer and hypocrite. Only by the grace of God was Haggard found out because he needed a "fix" and a back rub from the Homosexual drug dealin' prositute. What are you thinkin' Bach. :angry2::P:lol:

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