WesternGulf Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 (edited) Looks like Houston Pavilions is already making changesGlobeSt.com EXCLUSIVE: 394-Unit Downtown Landmark Up for SaleBy Amy Wolff Sorter Last updated: January 16, 2006 09:27am HOUSTON-The 394-unit Houston House, a 31-story, 40-year-old landmark, has gone on the block for $28 million. With a $200-million, mixed-use neighbor on the horizon, the time has finally come to end an 11-year hold, the owner's broker says.Houston House, located at 1617 Fannin St., will be marketed exclusively to condominium converters. "Everyone in town has been trying to get hold of this building for years, mainly because the area is booming and it's across the street from what's likely to become a retail-and-office complex," William Forrest, senior investment adviser in Houston for Sperry Van Ness, tells GlobeSt.com. "The location is likely to generate a lot of demand from the residential side, from people who will want to walk to work and their entertainment."Just recently, William Denton of California and Geoffrey Jones, a local developer and broker, paid more than $20 million for three blocks of buildings to develop Houston Pavilions, a 360,000-sf project with high-end retail, entertainment, condominium and office space. The development site is bordered by Main, Caroline, Dallas and Polk streets. As a result, demand is booming for residential properties in the neighborhood."There aren't many 30-story residential properties in Downtown Houston. Most of them are loft conversions," says Forrest, who with Sperry Van Ness' Bruce Ripper, is representing Houston House's seller. "Basically, whoever gets this and converts it will make a mint."Forrest says Houston House's owner, H.H. Paseo, a local general partnership led by Larry Hill, purchased the property in 1985 for a long-time hold. "Right now, they're in a position to sell it," he says, citing the difference in its marketability from a few years ago. Not only has the Houston Pavilions' plan made the 86%-leased multifamily complex a hot property, but several of its owners are ready to retire from real estate investment, according to Forrest.Houston House, situated on a little more than a half acre, is a mix of 40 efficiencies, 257 one-bedroom units and 57 two-bedroom apartments. Units range from 428 sf to a 4,150-sf loft. Monthly rents go from $750 to $4,150.http://www.globest.com/news/454_454/houston/142011-1.html Edited January 17, 2006 by WesternGulf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 That's good. I would expect the infusion of new money will get a redo or cleanup for the exterior. Everyone I know who has rented here loves the location. A little TLC would do wonders for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Great news, I hope to hear about more properties like this in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonsemipro Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I pass by Houston House today on the lightrail, and they already begun renovation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) Houston House, located at 1617 Fannin St., will be marketed exclusively to condominium converters so where are the people paying 750 gonna go? Edited January 18, 2006 by sevfiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west20th Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I hope that nasty concrete furniture in the lobby is the first to go. Wonder what the price per/sf would be? 150 maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I rememeber seeing a unit catch on fire here a few 4th of July's ago.BBQ gone bad. It was quite a site to see the high rise fire crew in action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htowngirl Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 A little TLC would do wonders for it.Yeah, like adding plug outlets to the bathrooms? My boyfriend lived here in '98 and that was pretty annoying. And the one time the elevators broke all day - he lived on the 28th floor. Great views though, they could definitely do wonders to that place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachanon Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 In a condo conversion, are the current residents given first choice on ownership? Anyone familiar with condo conversions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbigtex56 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 so where are the people paying 750 gonna go? Good question. Now that the Executive House has gone upscale, will there be any remaining low-rent highrises left in Houston? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbigtex56 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Any word on projected prices for units in the Houston House condo conversion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77017 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Yea well I live here an this place sucks. At least 1 elevator breaks every day, the pools been closed since 4ever (year round heating my ass), they cut the water off every wednesday, management likes 2 play hide and seek, and they raised ev1s rent. Can't beat the view though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 i have a couple buddy's who live there too, i foresee them also being priced out. I can only hope they can do something for that parking garage, terrible design and very dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfella Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I have some experience with condo conversions. I think whoever buys to convert to condos will most likely have a long hard sell. There were only 100 sales in downtown all year in 2005 and of those, nearly 25% were under 100k. There are currently over 125 units listed on the market downtown, this doesn't include units not listed on the mls at buildings such as St. Germain and Commerce. If you add the Houston House, you will have 400 more units which brings it to over 500 units for an area that is only absorbing about 75 units a year over 100K. That is a min. of a five year absorption, but most likely it will take them longer to sell out unless their prices are very very low.Just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 And what do you get for your money? An aging old highrise that is now a 'condominium'! Who knows? They may make in inhabitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 (edited) I have some experience with condo conversions. I think whoever buys to convert to condos will most likely have a long hard sell. There were only 100 sales in downtown all year in 2005 and of those, nearly 25% were under 100k. There are currently over 125 units listed on the market downtown, this doesn't include units not listed on the mls at buildings such as St. Germain and Commerce. If you add the Houston House, you will have 400 more units which brings it to over 500 units for an area that is only absorbing about 75 units a year over 100K. That is a min. of a five year absorption, but most likely it will take them longer to sell out unless their prices are very very low.Just my opinion though.I believe Commerce and St. Germain are both on MLS. But assuming your sales figures for 2005 are correct, your point is still a good one. Where can we see sales figures for 2005? Do you suppose sales will pick up as the park and Houston Pavilions come together? If not, what else is holding back condo sales in downtown?One other thing that may help an absorption time-line for a possible converter... It seems possible they would convert the 394 apartments into some smaller-number of condos. Edited February 20, 2006 by Houston19514 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfella Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 St Germain and Commerce are both listed, but very often agents at these properties will not list the entire inventory - they'll just put a portion in that is representative of everything they have.I think the problem with downtown is a chicken-egg problem. They want people to pay a real premium to be downtown, when in reality it is a transitional neighborhood. They need to up the pop. by incentivizing people to move down there and they need to seriously incentivize retailers to go down there by giving away a year or two on a five yr. lease so that there are the basic services (dry cleaners, grocery etc.) available to residents. Retail doesn't want to move down b/c there is not enough people. people don't want to move down b/c there is no good retail, and besides why should I pay that much moeny to live there when it is a ghost town. People who are developing down there should look at some case studies like SOHO, Williamsburg or Dumbo in NYC to see how these developed - what elements were crucial for their redevelopment and start thinking about how to get those elements and market them effectively.Sales figures for 2005 are available on MLS. Will sales pick up - I think so, will these other projects move forward, I don't know I guess. I am a skeptic when it comes to downtown. I do agree that they can reduce the number of units by combining some, but it is still a lot of SF to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMUrban Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 (edited) Sometimes if enough projects are announced they create their own momentum. People tend to feel comfortable if they know other projects will happen. On the flip side, you don't want a glut of available stock. But I believe for the immediate future, new projects will only help create a better residential environment. I'm not saying commercial services wouldn't help the situation. Edited February 21, 2006 by SMUrban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwood Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I believe Commerce and St. Germain are both on MLS. But assuming your sales figures for 2005 are correct, your point is still a good one. Where can we see sales figures for 2005? Do you suppose sales will pick up as the park and Houston Pavilions come together? If not, what else is holding back condo sales in downtown?One other thing that may help an absorption time-line for a possible converter... It seems possible they would convert the 394 apartments into some smaller-number of condos.Shirleysanders.com publishes statistics on high rise units on the market and what has sold in each building. Excellent reference information on that market. You can see how many sold in a particular building last year as compared to how many are currently on the market in that building. This will give you an estimate of how many months supply is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwood Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Any word on projected prices for units in the Houston House condo conversion?Great question. Will the market accept 8-ft. ceilings? 3525 Sage has just come on the market and it also has 8-ft. ceilings. If the Houston House units are priced right I guess the ceiling height may not matter. It will be interesting to see if Houston House and Raiders Lofts come on the market at all and if so, at what price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LS08 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I have heard that the condos that would be converted in the project would be in the lower price range bracket with the majority being between...$100,000 to $200,000. per unit and that there is a possibility that the new owners will combine several of the units as they have already done so in just renting current units.I have also heard they are planning to put almost 10-12 million in the renovation of the project.Current sources show that at this time there are less than 100 units available vbtw the 100-300K. And 50 of those units are brand new this year. Last year alone 50 were sold in downtown and the momentum is picking up with several units already being sold this year, such as the St Germain lofts being sold out.I think this coversion along with the new Houston pavillions project will bring a lot to downtown. Of course it may take several years to sell out..because it is a lot of square footage but I think the price range they are planning to sell at is good for downtown and will incentivize people to move there. It will be located only 3 blocks for the Houston pavillions offering retail to the immediate area. You gotta start somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 (edited) Any word on projected prices for units in the Houston House condo conversion?Chicago firm to restore Houston House's glitzhttp://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/busine...ff/5270371.htmlA Chicago real estate firm is buying downtown's Houston House Apartments with plans to spruce up the 41-year-old building..."We're going to bring it back to luxury status," said Claude Jones, director of acquisitions for NVG Residential, which is expected to close on the property in January.Jones said the renovations will include new windows and an exterior paint job. The lobby will be fixed up, as well as the building's ninth- and 10th-floor amenity areas, which will have an updated club house, a fitness and business center, a pool, a basketball court and an outdoor dining area.I didn't read anything about the renovation of the rooms, but maybe that goes w/o being said? Edited November 5, 2007 by lockmat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 New topic split off from an existing thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Does anyone know what the occupancy rate for it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbaker Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Does anyone know what the occupancy rate for it is?According to the Chronicle article the Houston House is at 90% occupancy. I live across the street in the Beaconsfield, and judging by the apartments in the Houston House, which are lit in the evening I think 90% is a credible number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniepwils Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 According to the Chronicle article the Houston House is at 90% occupancy. I live across the street in the Beaconsfield, and judging by the apartments in the Houston House, which are lit in the evening I think 90% is a credible number.I agree with this. I jog downtown every evening, and can see the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 I have a buddy that recently moved out of the Houston House, and per my almost weekly visits, I can tell you that the 90% vacancy is right. The amenity floors they spoke of in the article will be a nice change as the B-ball court, and pool need upgrading desperately. I do love the B-ball court though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Anyone ever notice the Houston House garage exit sign says:"Enjoy the Game"What's up with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuroAztlan Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Yea, I live there.I always assumed they meant an Astros or Rockets game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo58 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Correct, must double as a parking local for the not so near ballpark. They could mean the Game of Life too? Now if it said Release the Hounds.... hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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