Naviguessor Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Cloud - SWA really is on record saying that, in view that neither of their Airports (HOU, LUV) are the airports that have been discussed? That'd be an interesting endoresment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) very true, i edited the post because some of that were my words, not southwests. i was just trying to put two and two together but your right, that doesnt make sense. idk, i read somewhere that they said they would support the plans now. either way the other two points still stand as to why the Hou-Dal line would be built first. why wouldnt Southwest also fight a Dallas-San Antonio line if they were so opposed to losing a couple routes?somewhere in here it talks about Southwest supporting HSR.."Among the advantages Southwest sees is that high-speed rail will allow them to get out of the.. " http://www.apta.com/resources/reportsandpublications/Documents/HSR-Defense.pdf Edited February 12, 2014 by cloud713 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The first line built will be from Monterrey to the border. Mexico has already started construction. Then the border to San Antonio. That line will most likely be done first. The rest is up in the air to OKC because of funding, or lack thereof. Houston-Dallas will probably be done around 2021 hopefully since it has private funding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Monterrey - SA - Houston would be a great line too. Lots of commerce there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) The first line built will be from Monterrey to the border. Mexico has already started construction. Then the border to San Antonio. That line will most likely be done first. The rest is up in the air to OKC because of funding, or lack thereof. Houston-Dallas will probably be done around 2021 hopefully since it has private funding.My understanding is that the Mexican government has begun securing ROW but is not going to begin construction until it receives confirmation from the US government that the line will be continued on this side of the border. Funding is just now being secured to start a feasibility study on the US side, so the timeline is very open at the moment. http://sacurrent.com/news/will-the-sa-monterrey-high-speed-rail-line-really-happen-1.1620445I think Dallas-Houston is probably further along at this point. Edited February 12, 2014 by livincinco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 My understanding is that the Mexican government has begun securing ROW but is not going to begin construction until it receives confirmation from the US government that the line will be continued on this side of the border. Funding is just now being secured to start a feasibility study on the US side, so the timeline is very open at the moment. http://sacurrent.com/news/will-the-sa-monterrey-high-speed-rail-line-really-happen-1.1620445I think Dallas-Houston is probably further along at this point. Actually the ROW is complete. Jorge Domene Zambrano, chief of staff for Nuevo León Gov. Rodrigo Medina de la Cruz, said state officials already had secured the all-important right-of-ways and permits. Ongoing reforms in Mexico will open what had been a monopolized rail industry to private investment, he said. The Mexican cost is estimated at $1.5 billion. “The Mexican side is ready in terms of the permit,” Zambrano said. “We need to start looking for the money, which is very important to make it happen, and we are working for 2015 to be ready to start receiving the first amount of money to start the project.” http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/us-world/border-mexico/article/Fast-train-to-Monterrey-on-the-horizon-5150132.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 My understanding is that the Mexican government has begun securing ROW but is not going to begin construction until it receives confirmation from the US government that the line will be continued on this side of the border. Funding is just now being secured to start a feasibility study on the US side, so the timeline is very open at the moment. http://sacurrent.com/news/will-the-sa-monterrey-high-speed-rail-line-really-happen-1.1620445I think Dallas-Houston is probably further along at this point. To add to this. I don't see any part of the Houston-Dallas rail line being done by 2018. "As you know, these projects are long term projects and are not built in a year — so we are looking to finish this — if everything goes okay — 2018." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 My point was that SA-DFW would be the one polititians would back because it serves more than just 2 main cities (even if those are the 2 largest/most economically power metros in the state). Some of you did point out that land aquasition costs would be high for SA-DFW, and that's honestly something I didn't even think about (oddly enough). Thinking of all the municipalities that would/could fight that or want something in return would probably make that route harder to sell. I do hope that Houston to Dallas becomes a reality via high speed rail, but I'll wager we will have a much more advanced transit system in Houston before we ever have HSR in Texas. Why would the route from Mexico divert to Houston? It would run north (approximately) to SA-Austin-midcities-Dallas-KC-Chicago (at full build out). The best we could do would be to have a route from here to Dallas-OKC-Denver-Calgary (thinking WAY long term here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 the very last paragraph in the article cinco quoted said this.."Because of the infancy of the project’s planning, a clear timetable was not made available, however, Gonzalez estimated that if construction on the Mexico side began in 2016, it could be completed within three years."so 2019 at the earliest. but thats just the mexican side.. not the american side. the Houston Dallas rail line is planned to open around 2021. either way its great Texas is finally looking like it will get high speed rail service.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Regarding the Hou-SA-MX route: I wasn't saying that it should go to Houston instead of north toward OKC, but in addition. For Houston, after the Dallas connection, the SA connection makes sense, which may join the SA-MX line anyway. There would be a lot of Traffic between Monterrey and Houston. The Dog-leg of Hou-SA-Monterrey is pretty obtuse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 heres another quote about Southwest supporting HSR this time.. is it true the regional routes are money losing now? i know regional was how Southwest got started.."Southwest Airlines, for one, has made it clear that there are huge advantages for them to have high-speed rail built in California. Among the advantages Southwest sees is that high-speed rail will allow them to get out of the money-losing, overly congested regional air service business." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 To add to this. I don't see any part of the Houston-Dallas rail line being done by 2018. "As you know, these projects are long term projects and are not built in a year — so we are looking to finish this — if everything goes okay — 2018." If that quote is in relation to the full Monterrey-SA line, then I would say that it is, to put it nicely, an extremely optimistic estimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 If that quote is in relation to the full Monterrey-SA line, then I would say that it is, to put it nicely, an extremely optimistic estimate. No, just the mexican portion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfastx Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The highway and air lobby that overwhelms Texas is going to make it very hard for something like this to happen. It's a fantastic idea and would easily capture the majority of the air/rail market share if done right and not half-assed. It would be a very large but great investment. I hope something like this happens in my lifetime, but I am not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The highway and air lobby that overwhelms Texas is going to make it very hard for something like this to happen. It's a fantastic idea and would easily capture the majority of the air/rail market share if done right and not half-assed. It would be a very large but great investment. I hope something like this happens in my lifetime, but I am not holding my breath.according to a few places Southwest would support high speed rail this time. i even just read that at the time of the last push for high speed rail in the early 90s that southwest was confined to only IN state flights.. no where outside of Texas. so of course they opposed the hell out of the T bone or w/e plan it was they were proposing to connect all the major metros in the state. it would of put them out of business. thats not the case anymore and supposably southwest wouldnt mind getting out of the regional game.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Update on HOU-DAL from Houston Tomorrowhttp://www.houstontomorrow.org/livability/story/hou-dal-hsr-may-break-ground-in-two-years/Full article - http://impactnews.com/houston-metro/the-woodlands/houston-to-dallas-high-speed-rail-could-break-ground-in-two-/ Edited February 13, 2014 by livincinco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky-guy Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 WOW! That's amazing. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't happen, I'm still excited for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I wouldn't be opposed to the red line, but the green line is just dumb.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfastx Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 according to a few places Southwest would support high speed rail this time. i even just read that at the time of the last push for high speed rail in the early 90s that southwest was confined to only IN state flights.. no where outside of Texas. so of course they opposed the hell out of the T bone or w/e plan it was they were proposing to connect all the major metros in the state. it would of put them out of business. thats not the case anymore and supposably southwest wouldnt mind getting out of the regional game.. That's encouraging.. but realistically any HSR line between Houston-Dallas or Houston-wherever is going to eat a lot of market share from airlines, who will lose a lot of money on those routes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I wouldn't be opposed to the red line, but the green line is just dumb.. Blue and red are both good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Blue and red are both goodYeah, I figured blue was obviously the most optimal. Red is not far behind though. I didn't realize they had a route in mind between 45 and 290/6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 according to a few places Southwest would support high speed rail this time. i even just read that at the time of the last push for high speed rail in the early 90s that southwest was confined to only IN state flights.. no where outside of Texas. so of course they opposed the hell out of the T bone or w/e plan it was they were proposing to connect all the major metros in the state. it would of put them out of business. thats not the case anymore and supposably southwest wouldnt mind getting out of the regional game..Southwest could only fly to Texas and the adjoining states from Love Field in Dallas due to the incredibly moronic Wright Amendment, which fortunately disappears this year. From Houston, or any other location, Southwest has always been able to fly anywhere in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Either way it definitely would of put a dent in their business, and most can agree southwest would rather focus on long distance trips now than regional flights. Edited February 13, 2014 by cloud713 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Southwest also starts international flights this year and has by default with AirTran since last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctaf Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I see that there is talk of doing a line extension from Dallas to OKC, if that's the case, has there been any talk of doing a line extension from Houston to New Orleans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I see that there is talk of doing a line extension from Dallas to OKC, if that's the case, has there been any talk of doing a line extension from Houston to New Orleans?The Feds have one shown on their high speed rail map, but I haven't heard much of it.. I don't see that having nearly as high a ridership as any of the Texas lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Note two current high-speed rail / Texas triangle topics have been merged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The Feds have one shown on their high speed rail map, but I haven't heard much of it.. I don't see that having nearly as high a ridership as any of the Texas lines.The Feds showed a lot of lines on their map that made no sense whatsoever. One line needs to be built and it needs to be proven to be economically viable and then others will follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky-guy Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Red May even be faster (assuming the woodlands will want a stop there if if you go by the blue) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Topic hijacks are going to be removed, so spare us all the trouble. I'll have to dig out the link, but I read earlier today that a 2016 groundbreaking for the Dallas high-speed rail is envisioned. Seems optimistic.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.