Walmart Supercenter At 111 Yale St.

[gazhomme]

your nissan leaf runs on dog food?

Yes and no.

The 10 rescue dogs I have are chained to a treadmill that charges my car. We keep a dog bowl half full just out of reach until one collapses, then we feed them. If I need a fast charge I'll toss a piece of raw meat in the bowl and place a trapped ferrel cat behind it.

[gazhomme]

your nissan leaf runs on dog food?

Yes and no.

The 10 rescue dogs I have are chained to a treadmill that charges my car. We keep a dog bowl half full just out of reach until one collapses, then we feed them. If I need a fast charge I'll toss a piece of raw meat in the bowl and place a trapped ferrel cat behind it.

[little frau]

I sure wish there was a "laughing out loud" button on this thread.

[Leonard]

The developer just took out 9 mature live oaks on Yale near the bridge. They were supposed to leave the one nearest the bridge, but they didn't. This stretch of standard-width (not extra wide) sidewalk will be unshaded from now on.

To make up their "tree credits" for trees taken down on Yale, they're going to add trees to Koehler, I10 and the Heights esplanade. Yale will mostly be unshaded with about 75% less tree caliper than before the development.

[TheNiche]

The Walmart is already having an effect on development in the West End. Cruddy $200-250k townhomes are going up instead of the better $300k and up townhomes that have filled in the West End neighborhood west of TC Jester (northern Rice Military).

Until the Wal-Mart had come along, townhome construction had fizzled out in the West End. The new Ainbinder development was obviously just the shot in the arm that this area needed to kick-start new residential development again.

If the development did not have a Walmart and was a walkable mixed use development with some street life like the Midtown Post Oak development, developers would flock to the adjacent West End neighborhood to do highend townhomes. Thus, with Walmart, you get a short term bump in value, but compared to a better development, a major loss of value in the neighborhood.

Also, you're probably referring to Post Midtown, not "Midtown Post Oak," which does not exist. (This indicates to me that you probably have no idea what you're talking about and are just parroting third-hand propaganda.) It is called Post Midtown because Post Properties is the owner/developer. Post had the opportunity to acquire the Wal-Mart site. They did not. The reason that they did not was that developing something of that nature, scaled up, in that location would've been thousand dollarsing stupid.

The land is still there, it is not a quarry that can be depleted. When pigs learn to fly, maybe it'll get built up with something like the Burj Dubai.

[Texasota]

Taking out mature live oaks without an extremely good reason is, in this city, unforgivable. Nothing is more important than shade, even if you're just walking from your parked F-750 to Wal-Mart to buy 10 pounds of butter and 3 cases of bullets.

That devolved into an elitist rant waaaaay too quickly.

[SilverJK]

S3mh should be thanking Walmart for helping return the Heights to the historic treeless swamp it orignially was...

[barracuda]

^ Actually, much of the Heights was forested before it was developed. Just look at any old photos of the land being cleared.

[samagon]

I scoured google maps street view on yale looking for any 'mature live oaks' saw none.

there's these:

https://maps.google....,310.28,,0,3.99

they can hardly be construed as 'mature' though.

for reference, this is what a mature live oak looks like:

what you were looking for is adolescent live oak.

but hey, a tree's a tree, maybe you should query ainbinder (and the city) as to whether the trees will be replaced, and if not get a news station to run a story that they promised to keep the trees, maybe they will put new ones in.

Edited June 11, 2012 by samagon

[Leonard]

The live oaks removed averaged more than 11 inches in caliper. They will not be replanting trees on this stretch of Yale. The trees did look like they grew a lot during the year and a quarter since the google picture was taken. While the Walmart probably won't turn into a swamp, they will be sending more water faster down stream.

[RedScare]

^ Actually, much of the Heights was forested before it was developed. Just look at any old photos of the land being cleared.

Well, then the developer is just keeping with the character of the neighborhood, then, isn't he?

A quick glance at the site in question shows that there were virtually no trees there anyway. Faux outrage noted.

[s3mh]

I scoured google maps street view on yale looking for any 'mature live oaks' saw none.

there's these:

https://maps.google....,310.28,,0,3.99

they can hardly be construed as 'mature' though.

for reference, this is what a mature live oak looks like:

what you were looking for is adolescent live oak.

but hey, a tree's a tree, maybe you should query ainbinder (and the city) as to whether the trees will be replaced, and if not get a news station to run a story that they promised to keep the trees, maybe they will put new ones in.

A mature live oak is usually about 50 feet tall with a well established canopy. The ones along the stone yard were not mature, but they had 30-40 years of growth that the replacement trees won't have. That means that most of us will be retired before the tree canopy on Yale is restored to what it was.

The trees should have been saved by making the developer give up land outside the right of way on the opposite side of Yale to widen Yale for the Koehler left turn lane. Instead, the developer gets tax dollars to take out the trees, widen Yale and replant new, smaller trees. All they have to do is plant trees with a caliper of greater than 1.5" and they get to charge the City for them. Of course, you have to work pretty hard to try to find a tree at a nursery that is less than 1.5".

[RedScare]

That means that most of us will be retired before the tree canopy on Yale is restored to what it was.

Before any of you shed too many crocodile tears over s3mh's lost retirement, google map this area. There are roughly 10 trees in the entire 30 acre area. Sure, they cut down a few trees on one side of Yale along a couple hundred foot stretch, but s3mh makes it sound bucolic, when the reality is that was a barren wasteland.

Holy mother of Annise Parker, the faux outrage is off the charts! Now, Walmart has ruined s3mh's golden years! Oh the humanity! Think of the children! [insert other stupid statement here]!!!

Someone who knows how to screen grab please post the google of that block. Those trees aren't more than 10 years old.

Edited June 11, 2012 by RedScare

[JJxvi]

I feel sorry for anyone who actually has strong feelings about trees like this. I'm certain that there arent very many of those people though, even among those people who will feign outrage.

[JJxvi]

but they had 30-40 years of growth that the replacement trees won't have.

Doubtful, I think we know exactly when these trees were planted and it was in the early 90's because these are probably the same age as the trees that people pissed and moaned about lining Yale north of I-10 until the Yale street project was cancelled and changed to a resurface.

Edited June 11, 2012 by JJxvi

[SilverJK]

^ Actually, much of the Heights was forested before it was developed. Just look at any old photos of the land being cleared.

The original photos I just looked at had some pine forrested areas but equal amounts of bayou and willows and other small trees. The strip along the boulevard did seem quite wooded, but those were a bunch a pine trees, and as someone who has a large pine tree in their front yard, I can promise you we aren't missing those. Nearly all the beautiful Live Oaks and other aesthetically pleasing trees you see were planted by residents. Nothing historic or original about them...

That being said... the new walmart will have a gardening center right?

[Marksmu]

While a tree is beautiful to look at, I find it mind boggling that people will go to such extreme measures and cost (see gigantic waste of money here http://galvestondailynews.com/story/320554) simply to save a 100% renewable, abundant, cheap, replaceable, non-sentimental tree.

Trees are just trees. If they are in the way they get cut down...then you put a new one up...its a waste (yes waste) of money to put a huge one back since trees grow - so they are inevitably replaced by smaller ones.

On the league city tree, if I were a resident of the city, I would be outraged at my wasted tax dollars - with these trees on yale, I cant even fake outrage b/c its just a non-issue.

[samagon]

While a tree is beautiful to look at, I find it mind boggling that people will go to such extreme measures and cost (see gigantic waste of money here http://galvestondail...story/320554)��simply to save a 100% renewable, abundant, cheap, replaceable, non-sentimental tree.

Trees are just trees. If they are in the way they get cut down...then you put a new one up...its a waste (yes waste) of money to put a huge one back since trees grow - so they are inevitably replaced by smaller ones.

On the league city tree, if I were a resident of the city, I would be outraged at my wasted tax dollars - with these trees on yale, I cant even fake outrage b/c its just a non-issue.

actually, that tree is a great example of a mature tree, and I'm glad they took the steps they did to save it. I hope it actually survives the ordeal, the chances of a tree that age being able to survive a transplant aren't that great.

[Leonard]

Why so many tree haters on an architechtural forum? weird.

They removed 9 live oaks on Yale near the bridge that were most likely planted in the early 90's making them at least and probably more than 20 years old. This part of the street will be not be replanted, even with smaller trees.

The developer is making up his "tree credits" by planting in the Heights esplanade. The taxpayers are paying for all of this via the 380.

[Marksmu]

actually, that tree is a great example of a mature tree, and I'm glad they took the steps they did to save it. I hope it actually survives the ordeal, the chances of a tree that age being able to survive a transplant aren't that great.

A mature tree? Yes - I agree. But no mature tree is worth $197,500 dollars. ONLY, and I do mean ONLY a government entity would ever spend that kind of money (other peoples) to save something like a tree.

[Leonard]

Marksmu - we're paying over $6M for the equivalent of one extra 20-year-old tree (12 more caliper inches total added than removed from the ROW).

[RedScare]

Marksmu - we're paying over $6M for the equivalent of one extra 20-year-old tree (12 more caliper inches total added than removed from the ROW).

Hyperbole much?

[Leonard]

Aha haha - yeah, maybe a little bit, RS. But the 380 is supposed to be all wider sidewalks and thicker trees. And Yale will have 75% less tree caliper inches than previously. We're not getting our money's worth. The 380 was publicly announced as making the development better, it's clearly designed to transfer our tax dollars to the developer for the developer to spend as he sees fit. We're not getting thicker trees. We're not.

No matter how many people say that historically, there shouldn't be any trees here, because once it was an underwater dinosaur breeding ground.

We're not getting thicker trees for the 380. Not. Getting. Thicker. Trees. Not.

[JJxvi]

Tree hater? I am the exact opposite of a tree hater. A "tree-lover" you ask? No, I simply don't care one iota at all about these trees.

[barracuda]

The original photos I just looked at had some pine forrested areas but equal amounts of bayou and willows and other small trees. The strip along the boulevard did seem quite wooded, but those were a bunch a pine trees, and as someone who has a large pine tree in their front yard, I can promise you we aren't missing those. Nearly all the beautiful Live Oaks and other aesthetically pleasing trees you see were planted by residents. Nothing historic or original about them...

That being said... the new walmart will have a gardening center right?

I'm not arguing about the fact that these relatively young live oaks were obviously planted, nor am I all that concerned about their removal. But you agree the area wasn't treeless before development.

I must say, I think live oaks are kind of ugly until they mature and really spread out, so I kind of hope they plant something else.

[Leonard]

Barracuda - they aren't planting anything along Yale between Koehler and the bridge.

[RedScare]

Aha haha - yeah, maybe a little bit, RS. But the 380 is supposed to be all wider sidewalks and thicker trees. And Yale will have 75% less tree caliper inches than previously. We're not getting our money's worth. The 380 was publicly announced as making the development better, it's clearly designed to transfer our tax dollars to the developer for the developer to spend as he sees fit. We're not getting thicker trees. We're not.

No matter how many people say that historically, there shouldn't be any trees here, because once it was an underwater dinosaur breeding ground.

We're not getting thicker trees for the 380. Not. Getting. Thicker. Trees. Not.

We've already been through this. The 380...and the $6 million...were not set in stone. The City may change what work it wants done, and that may reduce the total amount spent under the 380. As for what the area will look like once finished, I'll wait until it is finished. I've listened to people complain about construction projects in midstream for years. It is always the same. "That looks terrible! They ruined it!" Construction projects always look bad during the construction. Wait until it is finished.

Let me see if I can explain why none of us is upset at 9 trees being removed. You see, it is the only 9 trees on the entire street. It looked like crap. Once finished, there will likely be trees on both sides of the street. It will look better, and over time will shade more sidewalk. If removing 9 trees gets us 18 trees evenly spaced, or more, most of us have little problem with that. And, you said yourself that we are getting 12 more caliper inches than were removed. Well, if those new trees are thinner, then that means we are getting a whole lot more trees.

Here's the deal. Most of us are fine with that. We. Are. Fine. With. That.

Your gripe is a tempest in a teapot. Tempest. In. A. Teapot. Tempest. Teapot. You.

Hope. That. Helped.

[Leonard]

They are removing a total of 19 trees from Yale. They are adding a total of 13 trees to Yale. Net loss: 6 trees. Net loss in tree caliper inches on Yale: 176.5.

The 12 extra caliper inches will not be on Yale, but on the Heights esplanade.

[RedScare]

We'll see.

[JJxvi]

There are (were) only about 10-12 legit trees along Yale at wildly dispersed locations (the ones right in front of the stone yard are basically the only place where they all survived, possibly because somebody tended those, I dont know). Any others you add to that to get to 19 opr whetever must be scrub trees that just happened to be there around the underpass or something.