banking214 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Houston, New York Has A Problemhttp://www.nysun.com/opinion/houston-new-y...-problem/81989/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Hmmm... Sounds like zoning Houston would be a bad idea. Cool article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Great article, thanks for posting that. Local pride, I suppose, but it is always a good feeling to see positive articles about Houston. I figure the more people see stories like that, the more will want to move to Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Maybe if the city ever tries to pass more regulation we can konk them in the head and say, "Even this Yankee gets it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Did Puma read it? Kinda flies in the face of his "burbs are bad" rant:But Houston's success shows that a relatively deregulated free-market city, with a powerful urban growth machine, can do a much better job of taking care of middle-income Americans than the more "progressive" big governments of the Northeast and the West Coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeats Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 That was an amazingly positive and even-handed article (our pollution does bear mentioning, you have to admit). I'm impressed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahiki Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Did Puma read it? Kinda flies in the face of his "burbs are bad" rant:But Houston's success shows that a relatively deregulated free-market city, with a powerful urban growth machine, can do a much better job of taking care of middle-income Americans than the more "progressive" big governments of the Northeast and the West Coast.Agreed, it is great to hear this positive spin on Houston. But let's not be simplistic and lump all kinds of planning or zoning in together as a form of stultifying regulation. A little planning would go a long way here, without hindering the kind of growth the article talks about. You're all smart enough to know the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Agreed, it is great to hear this positive spin on Houston. But let's not be simplistic and lump all kinds of planning or zoning in together as a form of stultifying regulation. A little planning would go a long way here, without hindering the kind of growth the article talks about. You're all smart enough to know the difference.I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 A little planning would go a long way here, without hindering the kind of growth the article talks about. You're all smart enough to know the difference.We have a little planning. But it sucks. We need less.Hopefully the city can get its act together with the revisions to the major thoroughfare ordinances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 We have a little planning. But it sucks. We need less.Hopefully the city can get its act together with the revisions to the major thoroughfare ordinances.Can you give me the elevator version of the major thoroughfare ordinance argument? I've heard it referred to but don't know details. It occurred to me that may have come off as snotty--it's not. Asking for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojeaux131 Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Agreed, it is great to hear this positive spin on Houston. But let's not be simplistic and lump all kinds of planning or zoning in together as a form of stultifying regulation. A little planning would go a long way here, without hindering the kind of growth the article talks about. You're all smart enough to know the difference. Exactly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Can you give me the elevator version of the major thoroughfare ordinance argument? I've heard it referred to but don't know details. Thx!25-foot setback. Discourages density and pedestrian-oriented development. Counterpoint has to do with sight lines for traffic as well as for flexibility with ROW takings and also with on-site and off-site parking requirements/impacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 25-foot setback. Discourages density and pedestrian-oriented development. Counterpoint has to do with sight lines for traffic as well as for flexibility with ROW takings and also with on-site and off-site parking requirements/impacts.gotcha. It's what I thought you were talking about but wasn't sure. Oh, agree heartily, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 25-foot setback. Discourages density and pedestrian-oriented development. Counterpoint has to do with sight lines for traffic as well as for flexibility with ROW takings and also with on-site and off-site parking requirements/impacts.Ah, I see. If we get rid of that regulation, Houston can become more dense and then we'll be more like New York! But didn't I just read something about why that's bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Ah, I see. If we get rid of that regulation, Houston can become more dense and then we'll be more like New York! But didn't I just read something about why that's bad?It seems that you are confusing me for someone that I am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojeaux131 Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Ah, I see. If we get rid of that regulation, Houston can become more dense and then we'll be more like New York! But didn't I just read something about why that's bad?Taken to the level they have in New York, it's bad. Development doesn't have to follow one extreme or the other, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizen4rmptown Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 intresting article good for houston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Taken to the level they have in New York, it's bad. Development doesn't have to follow one extreme or the other, you know.I know, I just found it incongruous for TheNiche to advocate getting rid of a regulation that discourages density in a thread about an article on the down-side of density. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 25-foot setback. Discourages density and pedestrian-oriented development. Counterpoint has to do with sight lines for traffic as well as for flexibility with ROW takings and also with on-site and off-site parking requirements/impacts.Would you say most variance requests to move the setback line closer to the street get voted in favor of? I'm sure people have a tougher time with parking variances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwood Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Agreed, it is great to hear this positive spin on Houston. But let's not be simplistic and lump all kinds of planning or zoning in together as a form of stultifying regulation. A little planning would go a long way here, without hindering the kind of growth the article talks about. You're all smart enough to know the difference.Spin? It looks like capitalism with little government intervention works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojeaux131 Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 I know, I just found it incongruous for TheNiche to advocate getting rid of a regulation that discourages density in a thread about an article on the down-side of density. Whoa, that is incongruous. You're right. I think this is the first time I've agreed with you. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Whoa, that is incongruous. You're right. I think this is the first time I've agreed with you. Nice.You've never, ever agreed with me before? You must be getting wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 There is more:http://gawker.com/5025747/why-is-houston-s...active-than-nyc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 "It's cheaper to build sprawling, hellacious strip developments in Houston because there's less government regulation of construction."touch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 my favorite comment from the article:I think the big plus is that you don't have to put up with New Yorkers on a daily basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister X Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Q: What do you call someone who is both ignorant and an asshole? A: An ignoranus. There are a lot of ignoranuses in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Hizzy! Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Q: What do you call someone who is both ignorant and an asshole? A: An ignoranus. There are a lot of ignoranuses in New York.I actually find the comments from that website funny. What the hell do I care if someone in New York (or Boston or Phoenix or wherever) doesn't like some place else (including Houston)? What I enjoy most are the exaggerations and/or misrepresentations that they spew to give credence to their opinions. Now that's entertainment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 I actually find the comments from that website funny. What the hell do I care if someone in New York (or Boston or Phoenix or wherever) doesn't like some place else (including Houston)? What I enjoy most are the exaggerations and/or misrepresentations that they spew to give credence to their opinions. Now that's entertainment!Makes me wan't to go buy a gun and become Baptist just to spite their stupid arses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimberlySayWhat Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Don't feel bad. That's their impression of Texas in general, not just Houston. Most have probably never set foot in the state. Also take into account that they're a bunch of ignorant morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Don't feel bad. That's their impression of Texas in general, not just Houston. Most have probably never set foot in the state. Also take into account that they're a bunch of ignorant morons.The way I have always seen it is that you move to NYC to feel better about yourself.But you move to Houston becusae you already feel good about yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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