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i just find this pervasive attitude that nothing is ever good enough for the urbanists on this board quite tiresome. you're essentially comlpaining that people who want to move freely within their own apartment complex should have to endure the elements in order to achieve some asinine notion of interaction with the street below. it's stupid.  instead of applauding the developer for adding some greenspace to act as a pedestrian thoroughfare between the stadium and the other side of the apartment complex you focus your attention on what is without a doubt a necessary resident amenity. this developer could have just as easily closed off that area entirely and squeezed in another 40-50 units. what would you have said then?

 

your analogy between the tunnel system that is used as an ALTERNATIVE to street level retail vs. people transitioning between their apartment and car as a NECESSITY only further demonstrates how off base you are.

 

I guess you're responding to the second part of the post you quoted and not the first. :)

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At some point you have to force people to ground level and ruffle a few feathers.

Ruffling feathers is definitely the goal of every major developer.

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H-town Man - not sure about all your posts but I concur with swtsig that your posts on this particular skybridge IS ASININE. We're all urban planning enthusiasts but please be practical.

If I lived on the 5th floor of the north building why on God's earth would I park on the 5th floor of the south garage, walk down four flights of stairs (with or without groceries, rainy day or not), cross the courtyard (it's not a 'park') and climb 4 more flights of stairs to my apartment just to appear "urban".

Get Real Dude.

People do it at post midtown square every day. It's not that big of a deal and helps street life particularly coco's crepes

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People do it at post midtown square every day. It's not that big of a deal and helps street life particularly coco's crepes

 

I was one of the first residents at Post Midtown Square back in 1999 and I'm very familiar with the set-up.

 

I lived on the 4th floor of the building where Coco Crepes now sits on the ground floor - although it was an empty store front for years back then. It really wasn't much of an issue if I happened to find parking on the first floor of the garage of the 'Farrago's' building, however if I had to enter the residents gate to park on the 2nd floor or higher then it WAS a hassle, especially if I had groceries or items that would take more than one trip!

 

I often found myself looking for parallel parking in an on street spot closer to my apartment and taking my things up before parking in the garage. In fact, many times I just used the on street parking space as my unofficial overnight assigned spot - of course this was before they got aggressive with writing tickets.

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I was one of the first residents at Post Midtown Square back in 1999 and I'm very familiar with the set-up.

 

I lived on the 4th floor of the building where Coco Crepes now sits on the ground floor - although it was an empty store front for years back then. It really wasn't much of an issue if I happened to find parking on the first floor of the garage of the 'Farrago's' building, however if I had to enter the residents gate to park on the 2nd floor or higher then it WAS a hassle, especially if I had groceries or items that would take more than one trip!

 

I often found myself looking for parallel parking in an on street spot closer to my apartment and taking my things up before parking in the garage. In fact, many times I just used the on street parking space as my unofficial overnight assigned spot - of course this was before they got aggressive with writing tickets.

 

I lived there too for a couple of years and usually parked on the fourth floor or higher. There were elevators in both buildings. It really wasn't a big deal.

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I lived there too for a couple of years and usually parked on the fourth floor or higher. There were elevators in both buildings. It really wasn't a big deal.

I'm with HOUSTONIAN, when I lived in the other building at the Post I rarely parked in the garage. I lived on the top floor of the other building and found it easier to park on the street than to park in the grange.

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I lived there too for a couple of years and usually parked on the fourth floor or higher. There were elevators in both buildings. It really wasn't a big deal.

 

"Big deal"?  I'm not implying it was a life & death situation, just that IMO there was a hassle factor associated with not having direct access.

 

Slick, I'm sure you understand that what may not be 'big deal' for you, just might be for someone else - so giving residents different options shouldn't a 'big deal' either.., right?

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"Big deal"?  I'm not implying it was a life & death situation, just that IMO there was a hassle factor associated with not having direct access.

 

Slick, I'm sure you understand that what may not be 'big deal' for you, just might be for someone else - so giving residents different options shouldn't a 'big deal' either.., right?

 

Yes but it depends what the motive is. If they want an active street life, you can't have sky bridges and tunnels. Also, think of all the random business coco's got from people walking back and forth to the garage.

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Yes but it depends what the motive is. If they want an active street life, you can't have sky bridges and tunnels. Also, think of all the random business coco's got from people walking back and forth to the garage.

I don't think they care whether they have an active street life, I think they care whether they can rent all of the units at their target price.

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I don't think they care whether they have an active street life, I think they care whether they can rent all of the units at their target price.

 

When the street level businesses are also paying them rent, I do think they care actually.

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When the street level businesses are also paying them rent, I do think they care actually.

I doubt they really care how active the street life is, they just care what the rent is that they can charge. There may be some tie in, but my guess is that rent is going to be dictated more by the proximity to BBVA than whether or not there's a skybridge.

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I live in the townhomes next to this place and think it will benefit the area, skybridge or not, EADO moniker regardless.  Selfishly, part of my view of downtown will be blocked but the rendering looks pretty good and I can live without the view I once had.  It is mostly just a parking lot now.  If no one else uses the park because of the evil skybridge, I will most definitely use it to walk my dog in (don't worry, I pick up after her).

 

Will the inner courtyard on the other building have a pool in it? If so, that provides more reason for a skybridge.  Some folks may be a little self concious if they have to cross the park in their swimming togs.  The skybridge will alleviate that embarassment slightly, perhaps.

 

Despite my irritation with all of the whining going on in this thread, I think "Death Spiral Park" would be a good name for it. Credit should go to livinco for that one.

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A few weeks later, Mill Creek has decided to cancel this one. :(

"A proposed multifamily project east of downtown called EaDo Station has been called of, Cox Said."

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/real-estate/article/Mill-Creek-to-put-apartments-near-Medical-Center-4928019.php#/3

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Lame. I actually liked this project, even with the bridge over the park.

When multifamily projects are getting cancelled on rail lines next to stadiums a stone throw from downtown in a great local economy, it means... we're still not there.

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Lame. I actually liked this project, even with the bridge over the park.

When multifamily projects are getting cancelled on rail lines next to stadiums a stone throw from downtown in a great local economy, it means... we're still not there.

 

Wow.  Negative about the project's announcement and negative about the project's cancellation.  Are you aiming for a personal best?  ;-)

 

There are so many possible reasons for a project's cancellation that it is a bit of a stretch to draw any meaning from it as to our entire city's "being there" or not.

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Unless we do something, I have a sinking feeling this is going to snowball.

I wonder what happened?

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I will gladly send a pair of these to the first developer to build a transit-oriented apartment complex on this site (to alleviate the stress of wondering whether the units will sell). If it has ground floor retail, I'll throw in the case.

 

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Wow.  Negative about the project's announcement and negative about the project's cancellation.  Are you aiming for a personal best?  ;-)

 

There are so many possible reasons for a project's cancellation that it is a bit of a stretch to draw any meaning from it as to our entire city's "being there" or not.

 

We absolutely need to over-react as much as possible to this cancellation.  The cancellation of this one multi-family project is a sign of imminent decline.  Never mind the fifty or so other multi-family projects under construction...

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We absolutely need to over-react as much as possible to this cancellation.  The cancellation of this one multi-family project is a sign of imminent decline.  Never mind the fifty or so other multi-family projects under construction...

 

There could be any number of reasons.  That said, it is inevitable that one day the housing market and economy will slow down after several years now of growth.  Whether the cancellation of one project marks a turning point won't be apparent for a few years, but I would never rule the possibility out.  

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We absolutely need to over-react as much as possible to this cancellation.  The cancellation of this one multi-family project is a sign of imminent decline.  Never mind the fifty or so other multi-family projects under construction...

 

It's not that. I understand you care very little about downtown, but many people do and find this to be unfortunate.

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It's not that. I understand you care very little about downtown, but many people do and find this to be unfortunate.

 

Well I care about it a great deal, and there is a lot of residential coming in to Downtown right now. Things are looking good, and this one project being canceled is not that big of a deal.

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Well I care about it a great deal, and there is a lot of residential coming in to Downtown right now. Things are looking good, and this one project being canceled is not that big of a deal.

 

I agree with kylejack.  The cancellation of a single project is not an indication of a trend especially if you don't know the reason that it was cancelled.  As subdude mentioned, maybe looking backward someone will identify that this was a turning point, but it's pretty premature to make that assumption now.

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It's not that. I understand you care very little about downtown, but many people do and find this to be unfortunate.

So what you're saying is that amongst all the new developments going on within and near downtown, particularly on the redline (609 main, sky house, alliance, super block, broadstone, mid main, etc), it's this one canceled project that is cause for concern?

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Very well said! There's so much going on here it's almost hard getting around to see it all. And most of the projects are just starting.

Visitors that come back for the next Super Bowl aren't going to recognize the place. They've started to reconstruct the entrance to Herman Park , and build the new gardens. So many game changers all at once. Add in Buffalo Bayou and the Kinder Donation, major additions to the museum district, and Hobby Airport. Not bad!

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So what you're saying is that amongst all the new developments going on within and near downtown, particularly on the redline (609 main, sky house, alliance, super block, broadstone, mid main, etc), it's this one canceled project that is cause for concern?

 

The concern that you're hearing is because this was probably the closest thing to true TOD that was proposed.  It had ground floor retail, it was close to transit, and it got cancelled.

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well, actually the other EaDo project, which is going in front of the Planning Commission this week, looks good too. Plus there's the stuff planned for Mid-Main.

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The concern that you're hearing is because this was probably the closest thing to true TOD that was proposed.  It had ground floor retail, it was close to transit, and it got cancelled.

 

how is skyhouse any less TOD? it's denser, has just as much retail and is directly on the redline. same with mid-main. in fact i think mid-main is far and away the most TOD out of all of them.

 

to me it's just more bawking from the chicken littles.

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how is skyhouse any less TOD? it's denser, has just as much retail and is directly on the redline. same with mid-main. in fact i think mid-main is far and away the most TOD out of all of them.

 

to me it's just more bawking from the chicken littles.

 

Not to split hairs, but SkyHouse isn't proposed, it's under construction. He said this was the closest thing to TOD proposed. Mid-Main is also very TOD, but seems further down the pipeline than this one.

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Not to split hairs, but SkyHouse isn't proposed, it's under construction. He said this was the closest thing to TOD proposed. Mid-Main is also very TOD, but seems further down the pipeline than this one.

 

Didn't realize that my statement was going to get parsed quite as much as it did, but then again, I should know better.  :)

 

My intent was that there are a large number of residential developments underway and a smaller subset of those are TOD.  The ones that are TOD generate a higher level of interest, commentary, and melodrama on his forum.

 

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I'm as bummed as anyone that this got cancelled, but there is a silver lining here; now there won't be any confusing Eado Station and Eado Place.

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The concern that you're hearing is because this was probably the closest thing to true TOD that was proposed. It had ground floor retail, it was close to transit, and it got cancelled.

There are TOD projects being built in downtown and midtown, and many possibilities with the next 3 rail lines as well.

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Not sure what is going on at the site that was proposed for this development, but a few days ago they fenced the block on Rusk and Dowling with "construction area" signs around the perimeter.

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http://swamplot.com/land-is-being-cleared-for-new-apartments-next-to-the-soccer-stadium/2014-08-28/

 

Just read this in Swamplot. Is anyone familiar with another apartment project by the Dynamo stadium?

Only that JLB is responsible for the apartment complex that went up like tinder in the Montrose back in the Spring. They seem keen to rebuild that one as well.

 

I can't imagine that financing is hard to get in a town that absorbs 21,000 apartments in a year. What's $30 million among friends?

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EaDo is a bit less established in terms of multifamily development. However, with the new light rail station and the bevy of construction Downtown, this site does seem prime to connect people with part of the other archipelago of walkable neighborhoods without need to jump in a car.

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It looks like this development will take up 2 blocks possibly?  They just moved 2 construction trailers up next to the old Tool Mart building on the block north of the recently cleared block (Tool Mart moved so the building is vacant)

 

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It looks like this development will take up 2 blocks possibly? They just moved 2 construction trailers up next to the old Tool Mart building on the block north of the recently cleared block (Tool Mart moved so the building is vacant)

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It's always been 2 blocks. JLB is just taking over for Mill Creek. Tool Mart was on the Texas side of the 2-block site.

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It's always been 2 blocks. JLB is just taking over for Mill Creek. Tool Mart was on the Texas side of the 2-block site.

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Is that the rendering?  I thought that one got canceled ?

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Haha. He predicted an impeding economic/ development collapse when this project was "cancelled". Looks like someone else now owns both blocks and is already doing something on the southern block.

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I will gladly send a pair of these to the first developer to build a transit-oriented apartment complex on this site (to alleviate the stress of wondering whether the units will sell). If it has ground floor retail, I'll throw in the case.

Get to it.....
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