RedScare Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I STRONGLY disagree with with the proposed ban (and yet I'm a non-smoker). Let me ask this, are there any restrictions against opening a non-smoking bar? I'm not aware of any - yet - of the hundreds of bars and clubs open in this city - how many are 'non-smoking'? ...are there any...maybe just one? Seems to me if having a non-smoking bar was such a great and desirable thing - someone would have jumped on the chance to open one. ...and it seems like if so many people wanted a smoke-free bar - then the smoke free bars would be making lots of money. ...and encouraging more smoke free bars. But no, that's not the way it is. Whatever happened to "Land of the FREE and home of the brave"? ..now, it's more like "Land of the regulated and home of political correctness".The Boom Boom Room on Yale.Kobains on Waugh.Shade on 19th.Berryhills on 11th.Both wine bars on Washington (I believe).Just in my neighborhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Whatever happened to "Land of the FREE and home of the brave"? ..now, it's more like "Land of the regulated and home of political correctness".Boy aint that the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunKing Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 The Boom Boom Room on Yale.Kobains on Waugh.Shade on 19th.Berryhills on 11th.Both wine bars on Washington (I believe).Just in my neighborhood.Excellent!! Those who wish to frequent non-smoking establishments have some options. That's a good thing. Following that logic, IMHO, it should be left as just such a choice - as opposed to MANDATING that ALL bars be non-smoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmainguy Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Instead of especting me to subsidize his cost of employment!!!Listen Lucy, no one is "especting" you to do anything. Just know that waiters and waitresses have looooooooooong memories. I can remember the face AND name of a certain ass-wipe that came into the restaurant I worked in 30+ years ago. He prided himself on not tipping. We prided ourselves on offering him the worse service we could get away with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Listen Lucy, no one is "especting" you to do anything. Just know that waiters and waitresses have looooooooooong memories. I can remember the face AND name of a certain ass-wipe that came into the restaurant I worked in 30+ years ago. He prided himself on not tipping. We prided ourselves on offering him the worse service we could get away with. Yeah, that and a little something in the soup. Who could blame you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 (edited) Just ONE more thing about our tangent on Waitstaff, west, you need to watch "Fight Club" if you haven't already. There is a part in that movie you need to seriously consider. I happen to own it, I'll let you borrow if you want. Edited October 13, 2006 by TJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Just ONE more thing about our tangent on Waitstaff, west, you need to watch "Fight Club" if you haven't already. There is a part in that movie you need to seriously consider. I happen to own it, I'll let you borrow if you want. I bet i can guess what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=...&id=4671346The city council voted on the smoking ordinance Wednesday. The ordinance will ban smoking in all enclosed public areas, with few exceptions. Smoking would still be allowed inside so-called tobacco bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 should be interesting to see whether the other "bars" will buy humidors so they can try and exempt themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=...&id=4671346Dumb dumb dumb move!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 yeah, cigar bars everywhere! just wait for appeals and fighting the language of the ordinance - hopefully it will be posted soon, instead of reading news reporters' words...if it does say "public" i bet that will spark a few discussions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 I wonder how many of those council members that voted for this ban are in thier last term and cannot run anymore? That would be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest correction_fluid Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 such a sticky issue - part of me agrees that an establishment should say what goes... (of course i think the people opposed to that are thinking, "what if i'm there first, then someone comes near me and smokes" - well, people have the right to choose which establishments to patronize, but they cannot control who comes in after they do...) and then another part of me thinks, yes, it is a public health issue - just like vehicle emissions and so forth (although i don't see people putting a tailpipe that close to their faces...). so, it comes down to compromising...what was so bad about having smoking sections in restaurants (or wherever)? even if they need to be ventilated more (to some better standard), i think it would be better to compromise than to piss off a segment of the population one way or another... for the record, i live with a smoker, but could never imagine doing it myself I suppose i would have to agree, being a smoker (a polite acomadating smoker at that) i would have to say that they should let it be the publics choice...I normally choose to go to agora over brazil because i can smoke (with the sacrafice of dealing with horriable yuppies ect.) By the way is a coffee house considered a bar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skwatra Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 chron article "The City Council voted today to extend Houston's indoor smoking ban to bars but to continue allowing smoking in outdoor patios and in bars that promote cigar smoking and derive significant revenue from tobacco sales.The 13-2 vote was a victory for Mayor Bill White, who wanted to extend the ban while leaving some locations available for public smoking. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 I suppose i would have to agree, being a smoker (a polite acomadating smoker at that) i would have to say that they should let it be the publics choice...I normally choose to go to agora over brazil because i can smoke (with the sacrafice of dealing with horriable yuppies ect.) By the way is a coffee house considered a bar?Nope, but it is an "enclosed public place." So the coffeehounds will have to smoke outside on the patio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westguy76 Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Just ONE more thing about our tangent on Waitstaff, west, you need to watch "Fight Club" if you haven't already. There is a part in that movie you need to seriously consider. I happen to own it, I'll let you borrow if you want.I own it too, I guess I nead to rewatch it to catch your point.May I suggest resevoir dogs to you, watch the opening scene in the restraunt for more on this topic. Funny stuff from Mr. Pink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 (edited) I own it too, I guess I nead to rewatch it to catch your point.May I suggest resevoir dogs to you, watch the opening scene in the restraunt for more on this topic. Funny stuff from Mr. PinkDid you notice Mr.Pink is the only one bitchin'. All the others think Mr.Pink is a Jackass for NOT tipping. I agree it is funny stuff that establishes Mr. Pink, as such a Scumbag who only cares about himself. Edited October 18, 2006 by TJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new major on the block Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 (edited) This city council is made up of a bunch of socialistic liberal nutjob bigots! They say its a public health concern but I somehow doubt that! I would love to see where the money that lines their pockets really come from. All I have heard on T.V., radio, and conversations is this force fed B.S. about how smoking kills, causes cancer, heart problems etc. Not everyone that smokes gets cancer, or have any health problems at all. I know of a few people that have smoked for almost forty years each and are in perfect health. Smoking is like rolling the dice. Some people get sick and die and others suffer little or no health problems. My grandparents smoked almost all their lives and died in their mid to late eighties. Smoking had no effect on their health. In fact they had no health problems that relate at all to smoking. They died because their arteries were clogged up from all of the fats and grease that they consumed. It did not help any that they never exercised either. I am, however not promoting smoking, I am simply stating that getting exposed to smoke once is not the end of the world. Resturaunts that offer smoking and nonsmoking sections do no harm to people. The smoking sections are isolated and ventilated to keep any lingering smoke away from those liberal, yuppie, tofu eating, mini chihuahua owning, hybrid driving, "my stuff smells like roses" assholes who feel that it is their duty to save anyone and everyone on the planet. While the argument continues thousands of people make their home on the streets. Some are mentally unstable while others simply ran into a streak of bad luck. Yet this mayoral administration has brushed them of like some fuzz on a sport coat. There are bigger problems than smoking. Our transportation system is going nowhere fast. There are thousands of trucks that drive the roads releasing tons of polluting chemicals at the sametime there are chemical plants that also release dangerous chemicals that poison the environment, and cause serious health problems to the local population. Those guilty companies end up buying the properties from people who live in the vicinity of the plant to save themselves from lawsuits that just might show their true contribution to the world. Just down the spectrum from that, we have illegal immigrants who get free health care that we pay for, drivers liscences, draining welfare and increase crime rates in this city. Yet our officers cannot ask their legal status because it just might look like racial profiling and we cannot have that in our great community now can we. We have to be polite to them otherwise we look like the bad guy even though they are the ones that are breaking the law. Then we are supposed to accommodate them, and make them feel at home. They turn around and curse us because we are wronging them while they insult our nation as they hide behind their countries flag. I just think that there are bigger things that our city council could do than worring about smoking bans. I do not smoke, never have, never will. Bans are not going to stop people from smoking. The same people that smoked before the ban will smoke after it is enforced. And any non smoker who hangs out with smokers is exercising his own personal choice. You have a better chance dying in a car accident than getting cancer from second hand smoke. In fact the car accident would probably involve someone who has been drinking, on medication, or on the cellphone. Not smoking a cigerette. Edited October 19, 2006 by new major on the block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elecpharm Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 fact: smoking causes clogged arteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 fact: smoking causes clogged arteries.True enough, but alcohol causes thinning of the blood, so it is a trade off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapillionWyngs Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Well, I don't go to bars, but I will be glad to not have smoking in restaurants. I have asthma - raised with two smokers, so while we all should have rights, when your right to smoke hinders my right to breathe, I have a problem with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new major on the block Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Their arteries were not clogged due to smoking, but from high cholesterol from all of the bacon, sausage, fast food, mayaonase, etc, fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 well, smoking helps to damage artery walls and leads to atherosclerosis, which in turn makes it easier for fatty deposits to stick around - also, some chemicals in cigarettes can lead to plaque build up in artery walls... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Again this smoking ban is STUPID. This is a capitalist society! How about supporting capitalism by encouraging entrepenuers that are against smoking to open up smoke free bars instead of stifling capitalism by creating these STUPID AND RIDICULOUS ordinances!!!! that would be a great exercise in protection of person freedoms instead of these BS ordinances that serve no purpose other than to piss me off and piss off other freedom loving individuals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new major on the block Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Again this smoking ban is STUPID. This is a capitalist society! How about supporting capitalism by encouraging entrepenuers that are against smoking to open up smoke free bars instead of stifling capitalism by creating these STUPID AND RIDICULOUS ordinances!!!! that would be a great exercise in protection of person freedoms instead of these BS ordinances that serve no purpose other than to piss me off and piss off other freedom loving individuals! You said it. They will never understand because they are communist swine. They keep taking away a little more of our freedom everyday. They wish to turn us in to an abomination, like themselves, mindless robots roaming the land quietly like a herd. One of these idiotic city council members, I think Aida Edwards, said something to the effect that smoking is still legal and sex is still legal unless it is in public. I really don't see the relationship there. I wonder whats next on the list because it sure as hell isn't drugs. Maybe next it will be banning people from playing video games and watching movies because of their addictivness and unhealthy lifestyle it brings. Then we could outlaw fast food. Who needs that fatty stuff? Followed by any vehicle that gets less than 50mpg. We can force millions of people on to our polluted buses and help traffic flow at the same time. We could also ban people from wearing certain styles of clothing, due to the relationship to gangs. Maybe instead, we should ban republicans and democrats from running for office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double L Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 It says a lot to Houston's devotion to individual rights that we put so much time into a smoking ban. Most cities would just pass this without much debate or refinement.I think Houston has the best and most well defined smoking ordinance in the country. We should be proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Their arteries were not clogged due to smoking, but from high cholesterol from all of the bacon, sausage, fast food, mayaonase, etc, fact. These are next on the Mayor's list. You won't be able to go in the fast food places because the food they serve causes health problems. A few yrs ago I moderated a debate when Bill White first ran for Mayor. He really isn't good in a debate setting. I personally thought Michael Berry was a much better in the debate setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I think Houston has the best and most well defined smoking ordinance in the country. We should be proud.Yeah im about as proud of this ban as i am of a survivorless plane crash! The ban is STUPID! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokieone Posted October 20, 2006 Author Share Posted October 20, 2006 Yeah im about as proud of this ban as i am of a survivorless plane crash! The ban is STUPID! Houstonian I think I remember you saying you are not a smoker correct? I'm just asking, how often do you frequent bars? Will this stop you from going into bars? Does this affect your life in any way, shape or form? I know you have a right to an opinion, but you are almost acting as if they are enacting a mandatory herpes injection upon entry to a bar. However, I would ask if you think the majority of americans (or houstonians) are smokers or non smokers. My guess would be something like 70% non/ 30% smokers. So doesn't the majority get some kind of say here + don't you think people at one point said the idea of banning smoking on planes or in an office was stupid as well? It doesn't set any precedent that didn't already exist anyway, its just furthering that precedent. The battle has already been lost on smokers rights, just look at the taxes and cost for a pack versus 5-6 years ago. I personally am thrilled about the ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double L Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Among smoking bans I think this one's the best. It's not perfect but it makes sense. Outdoor balconies and public events only. Everyone knows how to find an outdoor balcony. I know it's not perfect, but compared to other cities ours looks the most functional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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