Record 75,000 Turn Out to see Obama

[west20th]

So you agree on the death tax issue? Please explain why. Also if you would explain why you think a vote for partial birth abortions is right. Notice I said "Partial birth", not abortion.

Edit: screwed up.

There shouldn't be estate taxes? They are just as valid as income taxes. I'd be happier if they all focused on cutting spending. When the budget is balanced, or close to it, then we could worry about tax-cuts. Partial birth abortions is wrong, IMO, didn't agree with him on that. He should have realized being pro-choice doesn't mean having to be for everything having to do with it. Guess I should have said agreed with most of his votes.

Love to keep arguing but time for vacation!!!! Happy Memorial day every body. See 'ya in a couple of weeks.

Edited May 23, 2008 by west20th

[RedScare]

While I can't stand McCain, I despise Obama and his voting record.

Here are just a few examples of what I'm talking about.

[MidtownCoog]

Obama also said he would also repeal the Bush tax cuts.

Great idea. This from the same guy who tells us how bad the economy is.

So let's make sure people have even less money.

[infinite_jim]

Obama also said he would also repeal the Bush tax cuts.

Great idea. This from the same guy who tells us how bad the economy is.

So let's make sure people have even less money.

You sound rich. Not a good look.

edit: & I see you've been taking notes

Edited May 23, 2008 by infinite_jim

[memebag]

Obama also said he would also repeal the Bush tax cuts.

I think he said he would repeal them for the top 5% or something like that.

[Gary]

This looks like a damn good list of reasons to vote for Obama. Thanks for the list, Gary.

So your for "partial birth abortions" Red?

Sounds great to me. I guess I'm an Obama supporter now.

Are any of you parents? How you can be for not "notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions" or "prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion" is beyond me.

You guys are scary.

Edit: Let's all stop fighting, hold hands, and recite the communist manefesto with Barack, Frank Marshall Davis, and Karl Marx.

Edited May 23, 2008 by Gary

[KinkaidAlum]

While I can't stand McCain, I despise Obama and his voting record.

Here are just a few examples of what I'm talking about.

[RedScare]

You guys are scary.

That must mean we are winning.

[westguy]

It is. And it would be just as refreshing to hear an Obama supporter say why they like him.

Give it a try.

And you must have missed my post on his views on Civil Rights. Go read up on his site and tell me if that's not an agenda tailored for Black voters.

Go back to posting "hilarious" pictures of Democrats in bunny suits or whatever, since you have no business asking any of these things from other people.

[Gary]

Funny, I am supporting him for EXACTLY the reasons you are not. I see a man whose voting record shows some backbone. Someone who stands up for Constitutional rights (not banning abortions, not extending the Patriot Act, etc...) and doesn't fall for political tricks to win a popularity contest (tax cuts at a time when we can't afford them, chest pounding fake Patriotism at the expense of our laws, etc...)

I like that he breaks with conventional wisdom and even his own Party from time to time. Conventional wisdom has seemingly gotten us TWO WARS, massive national debt, a weakened dollar, a housing crisis, trade deficits, healthcare crisis, poverty crisis, etc...

Actually it's not funny at all. at least to me.

I noticed that you applaud Obama for his stance on abortion. Notice that what Obama voted for was NOT abortion, but "partial birth abortion". Are you saying that you think this was a good vote?

I don't mean to press this issue about PBA, but I would like to know where some of you stand on the issue. REMEMBER.... I am not talking about abortion in and of itself.

Also, I prefaced my initial comment by stating that I can't stand McCain, so it would stand to reason that I don't like Bush either. He's the worst Republican president in history, in fact he gives Jimmy Carter a run for his money.

That must mean we are winning.

Unfortunately due to most youngsters lack of knowledge in this respect, you are winning. As I said earlier, let's all recite the communist manifesto together.

[memebag]

So your for "partial birth abortions" Red?

The term was invented by a "pro-life" congressman. It isn't recognized as a procedure by the AMA.

Are any of you parents? How you can be for not "notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions" or "prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion" is beyond me.

I'm a parent. If my daughter wants to cross state lines to get an abortion or not notify me, I've done something horribly wrong. If I've done something that wrong, I hope the state won't make her life more difficult.

[TJones]

Gary, they aren't winning, they are scared to death that Hillary will split the party and McCain will win because he'll get 44% of the vote while Obama gets 30% and Hillary gets 25% as an Ind. I can't wait.

[memebag]

Gary, they aren't winning, they are scared to death ...

After 8 years of Bush, not much scares me anymore.

[Trae]

We are?

[webdude]

I'm a parent. If my daughter wants to cross state lines to get an abortion or not notify me, I've done something horribly wrong. If I've done something that wrong, I hope the state won't make her life more difficult.

This is the best damn answer ever.

And Gary, I would rather recite the democrat communist manifesto than the republican communist manifesto.

Edited May 23, 2008 by webdude

[RedScare]

Actually it's not funny at all. at least to me.

I noticed that you applaud Obama for his stance on abortion. Notice that what Obama voted for was NOT abortion, but "partial birth abortion". Are you saying that you think this was a good vote?

I don't mean to press this issue about PBA, but I would like to know where some of you stand on the issue. REMEMBER.... I am not talking about abortion in and of itself.

Also, I prefaced my initial comment by stating that I can't stand McCain, so it would stand to reason that I don't like Bush either. He's the worst Republican president in history, in fact he gives Jimmy Carter a run for his money.

Unfortunately due to most youngsters lack of knowledge in this respect, you are winning. As I said earlier, let's all recite the communist manifesto together.

First, let me thank you for the compliment on my youth. You and midtowncoog have been flattering me for two days, and I very much appreciate it...seriously.

Now, onto your other points. I am not going to turn this thread into an abortion thread. I will point out that you reference one part of huge bills, often thousands of pages long. A congressman may vote against the entire bill because of some provision that he disagrees with. It may not be the provision you reference. It could be wholly unrelated. But, one cannot vote against one provision, just as the president cannot line item veto. It is all or nothing.

That said, I support Obama's stance on abortion. Feel free to twist his stance, and my support of it in any manner you choose. It will not change my support of his stance on abortion. I will also point out that his stance on abortion is way down the list of reasons that I intend to vote for Obama. I will also point out that references to Karl Marx and communism do not impress me any more than comparisons of George Bush to Mussolini and fascism impress the 26% who support him. Neither do references to socialism. The fact is, the United States is already mildly socialist, and has been for at least 70 years. Socialism neither offends nor scares me. My parents are current beneficiaries of socialist United States programs, such as Social Security and Medicare, and not only do I not mind paying taxes so that my World War II veteran dad can get medical care, I will fight against any politician who seeks to take it away from him.

Given that the United States already has socialist programs in place that I support, it would be hypocritical of me to cringe at the use of the term. I do not. I also do not shy away from the term "liberal", though in actuality, I am a moderate. However, since a moderate looks like a liberal to an ultra-conservative, and we are in Texas, if it makes people feel better to call me such, I will happily wear the label.

My main reason for supporting Obama is his stances on the Iraq War and diplomacy. The US used to be well respected in the world, and much of it owed to our diplomatic skills. We used to "walk softly and carry a big stick". Now, we act like drunk rednecks in a roadside honkytonk. I can see why that approach might appeal to certain Texans, but there is also a reason that certain Texans are not in positions of power. I want an intelligent president for a change, and Obama strikes me as the most intelligent one left in the race.

[TJones]

The term was invented by a "pro-life" congressman. It isn't recognized as a procedure by the AMA.

I'm a parent. If my daughter wants to cross state lines to get an abortion or not notify me, I've done something horribly wrong. If I've done something that wrong, I hope the state won't make her life more difficult.

He didn't ask if Red liked, "the term", meme.

I am a parent of 2 girls and I would also feel I had done something horribly wrong for them not to come to me about ANYTHING ! I do understand how they might be scared, or might be ashamed of the predicament they had gotten themselves in. Until you are put in that situation, you don't know what you are capable of. Don't fool yourself into thinking your daughter is telling you EVERYTHING she does. Maybe if she is 7 meme, but not if she is 17. I am not gonna pretend to know what an Atheist's total belief system into raising children is though, so perhaps she does.

Edited May 23, 2008 by TJones

[MidtownCoog]

I like that he breaks with conventional wisdom and even his own Party from time to time. Conventional wisdom has seemingly gotten us TWO WARS, massive national debt, a weakened dollar, a housing crisis, trade deficits, healthcare crisis, poverty crisis, etc...

Don't be such a throwback matchstick maker.

Are you seriously questioning the Afghan war? I'd figure a wannabe Wright coaster like yourself would understand that NATO action.

Go back to posting "hilarious" pictures of Democrats in bunny suits or whatever, since you have no business asking any of these things from other people.

?

You having trouble working your Internets?

But I have a feeling you are a Don't Ask, Don't Tell kinda GUY.

I'm a parent. If my daughter wants to cross state lines to get an abortion or not notify me, I've done something horribly wrong. If I've done something that wrong, I hope the state won't make her life more difficult.

Is this child the left-over one from your first marriage? Does she even know who you are?

Good parenting can prevent teen babies.

The US used to be well respected in the world, and much of it owed to our diplomatic skills. We used to "walk softly and carry a big stick". Now, we act like drunk rednecks in a roadside honkytonk.

Yes.

That respect led to 9/11, and don't forget that we were asleep at the wheel during the first WTC bombing.

I don't know how you define respect but I have a feeling you want it to make YOU feel good.

Edited May 24, 2008 by MidtownCoog

[RedScare]

That respect led to 9/11, and don't forget that we were asleep at the wheel during the first WTC bombing.

I don't know how you define respect but I have a feeling you want it to make YOU feel good.

No, it didn't, but I would not waste my time explaining it to you. The fact that you would even bring a terrorist attack by a homeless terrorist group into a conversation about diplomatic relations between nations proves why.

BTW, does anyone know what a "Wright coaster" is?

Edited May 24, 2008 by RedScare

[MidtownCoog]

No, it didn't, but I would not waste my time explaining it to you. The fact that you would even bring a terrorist attack by a homeless terrorist group into a conversation about diplomatic relations between nations proves why.

Please define "respect".

And then explain the NATO Action aginst this "homeless terrorist group". NATO does not activate often.

Except when Madeline Halfbright and Clinton strong-armed them into bombing the Serbs to save the Muslims.

BTW, does anyone know what a "Wright coaster" is?

That's folks like Kinkaid who flee evil-hearted Texas for the lovely East Coast and opine from their lofty perch.

The same man who wonders why he can't make a buck in today's economy. "Everything is Equal".

Under Obama, matchstick makers will earn the same as rocket scientists.

Edited May 24, 2008 by MidtownCoog

[Jax]

Good posts red, I agree with you 100%.

Under Obama, matchstick makers will earn the same as rocket scientists.

Is that your analysis of his vote to raise the minimum wage to $7.25 instead of $6.25, or something? I appreciate Gary's post actually outlining Obama's voting record rather than just posting absurd exaggerations, crap about his name, and random allegations of Communism. However, like Red, I agree with most of Obama's votes.

Edited May 24, 2008 by Jax

[RedScare]

Please define "respect".

And then explain the NATO Action aginst this "homeless terrorist group". NATO does not activate often.

Except when Madeline Halfbright and Clinton strong-armed them into bombing the Serbs to save the Muslims.

That's folks like Kinkaid who flee evil-hearted Texas for the lovely East Coast and opine from their lofty perch.

The same man who wonders why he can't make a buck in today's economy. "Everything is Equal".

Under Obama, matchstick makers will earn the same as rocket scientists.

A person who cannot even spell "right coaster" correctly, and who has never typed more than one or two line insults in the 3 years I've read this forum has not earned a debate from me. You may content yourself by posting one sentence responses, buzzwords and silly pictures unilaterally. I'll reserve my comments for those with the intelligence and attention span to engage in intelligent debate.

[MidtownCoog]

What a lame response. That's Reverend "Wright" coaster, whom Kinkaid fully supports. Over your head Red. But RedScare won't define respect becuase he can't. It'll expose his self depreciating view of his own life.

And the Matchstick maker only Kinkaid will understand.

Kinkaid said he still make the same money as he did ten years ago. Well for one the man makes matchsticks, and for two, he supports socialsim.

No raises under socialism. No raises under Obama.

Edited May 24, 2008 by MidtownCoog

[memebag]

Is this child the left-over one from your first marriage? Does she even know who you are?

Good parenting can prevent teen babies.

I guess you're trying to hurt me with that. You sound pretty angry. I think I'll keep my distance from you. Good luck.

[MidtownCoog]

Just a thought...

You are the one who brought your love child into this silly debate, not me.

Edited May 24, 2008 by MidtownCoog

[Jax]

No raises under socialism. No raises under Obama.

What's up with the paranoia over socialism? It seems that many people don't understand the fact that there are multiple levels of socialism. It's not binary. It's not like you have to chose between Marxism or complete anarchism.

It is possible to have a free market while providing some social services as well.

It is possible to improve the lives of the poor without destroying the rich.

Edited May 24, 2008 by Jax

[MidtownCoog]

What's up with the paranoia over socialism? It seems that many people don't understand the fact that there are multiple levels of socialism. It's not binary. It's not like you have to chose between Marxism or complete anarchism.

It is possible to have a free market while providing some social services as well.

It is possible to improve the lives of the poor without destroying the rich.

It's the lazy I don't trust.

My family helps the "poor" through our church and our favorite charity is Star of Hope.

Why should this be the duty of the Govt?

Even France is waking up to the perils of Socialism. 1968 was a mistake.

Edited May 24, 2008 by MidtownCoog

[memebag]

Since someone asked in a PM:

For the record, my daughter knows my name, but never calls me by it. She calls me "Daddy". I pick her up from school twice a week and have her for 1/2 of each weekend. She is not a "love child"; her mother and I were married when she was born. Her mom and I are nice to each other because we love our daughter a lot. My daughter loves my fiancee (and vice versa.) I don't want to get defensive, but I don't want people telling lies about me either.

I don't know MidtownCoog, nor do I know why he lashed out at me that way. It was a low blow. He's on ignore now.

[Jax]

My family helps the "poor" through our church and our favorite charity is Star of Hope.

Why should this be the duty of the Govt?

Because the USA's problem with poverty is bad enough that the church can't solve it alone...

[RedScare]

Since someone asked in a PM:

For the record, my daughter knows my name, but never calls me by it. She calls me "Daddy". I pick her up from school twice a week and have her for 1/2 of each weekend. She is not a "love child"; her mother and I were married when she was born. Her mom and I are nice to each other because we love our daughter a lot. My daughter loves my fiancee (and vice versa.) I don't want to get defensive, but I don't want people telling lies about me either.

I don't know MidtownCoog, nor do I know why he lashed out at me that way. It was a low blow. He's on ignore now.

You needn't have worried. Coog's insensitivity and addiction to insults, buzzwords and catchphrases is well known on the forum, as is his bitterness and hypocrisy, which is on full display in this thread tonight.