Mr.Clean19 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Heard that this will be starting by the end of this year. Thanks 5th Warders for sharing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Hallelujah! Great Opportunity to make a Gateway-Statement to the Navigation District. Guadalupe Plaza Park could use a little love too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) Can't wait to see the progress from this and the continued growth in the direct vicinity, with the Ancorian Project on Commerce behind the shopping center currently there and the future of the big lot between Canal and Runnels being potentially sold to Midway in the KBR transaction. Hopefully the BBP incorporates more improvements to Guadalupe Park Plaza as mentioned above. Edited September 7, 2018 by I'm Not a Robot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedistrict84 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Does the fact that this is moving forward suggest that the connectivity of Runnels to McKee will be retained as part of the I-45 reroute project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I do not think that this is related in anyway. The Circle has been the plan of the Great East End District for years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedistrict84 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 That’s fair. I was just thinking that if it’s meant to be a gateway to the East End, then it would be silly for one of the streets off of the roundabout to be a short dead end street. Also, I would guess that blocking off Runnels would have an effect on traffic flow and would mean whatever traffic analysis was used to justify this change to the intersection (which I assume was based in part on an increase in traffic volume) may no longer be applicable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 That's also a valid point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Clean19 Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 According to Houston's plan... they want to do an underpass for Runnels to downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 On the Agenda for the January meeting, the East End District is considering an additional traffic study for alternatives to a roundabout at Jensen/Navigation. I wonder what caused this seemingly sudden change of plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Probably the budget is too tight to afford a nice roundabout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 On 1/9/2019 at 9:25 AM, I'm Not a Robot said: On the Agenda for the January meeting, the East End District is considering an additional traffic study for alternatives to a roundabout at Jensen/Navigation. I wonder what caused this seemingly sudden change of plan. is it the east end district that wanted the roundabout in the first place, or are they just reacting to a situation proposed by the city? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 https://www.eastenddistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/April-Board-Mtg.-Agenda.pdf 13. B. 3. is a note that they will report on the roundabout in the board meeting this week. http://tirz23.org/accountability/agendas/ April 2019 Agenda 10. Consider partial payment of reinvestment zone contribution to construction of roundabout at Jensen and Navigation. So I'm guessing they will pick up where they left off on this? I never heard whether they voted to continue with an additional study to determine how to go forward 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 https://www.eastenddistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/Navigation-Roundabout-RFQ.pdf 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 On 4/24/2019 at 8:46 PM, I'm Not a Robot said: https://www.eastenddistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/Navigation-Roundabout-RFQ.pdf Glad this is still going to be turned into a roundabout. We definitely need a lot more of these in town. They are way more versatile than a regular intersection. Probably should also be one on Nav. and N. York. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 24 minutes ago, Luminare said: Glad this is still going to be turned into a roundabout. We definitely need a lot more of these in town. They are way more versatile than a regular intersection. Probably should also be one on Nav. and N. York. https://www.eastenddistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/June-2019-Board-Meeting-Agenda.pdf Looks like the board will be looking to approve the selection of the committee assigned to the project this Thursday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) New content uploads on the webpage. It appears as if they are just recently re-uploaded images due to the dates in the files. Regardless, it definitely signals that we should be hearing something soon. Edited September 5, 2019 by I'm Not a Robot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBTX Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, I'm Not a Robot said: They demolished my house in this drawing! All jokes aside though, interesting that EEMD, or the developer of the roundabout, whoever made the drawing, would have renderings of the new buildings (both of Marquette's) but not incorporate them in their presently designed form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) https://www.eastenddistrict.com/capital-projects/navigation-jensen-runnels-roundabout/ An update that basically says nothing new except that funding for public engagement has been secured. Edited September 27, 2019 by I'm Not a Robot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 https://www.eastenddistrict.com/public-art-concept-plan-proposed-navigation-boulevard-roundabout/ update regarding the art concept that is separate from the roundabout project. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBTX Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I like the idea a lot. It would be great to have some public art at the roundabout, but this just seems to be putting the cart before the horse. Maybe actually sign a contract to get the roundabout built first? I know funding is secured, but that's it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBTX Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Jensen is being resurfaced from Clinton to Navigation. I spoke to the construction crew which said that all they are working on is resurfacing and that they are unaware of any plans to turn the Navigation/Jensen/Runnels intersection into a roundabout. However, there were COH and EEMD supervisors with the crew. I wasn't able to talk to them as they were all on the phone. I had recently seen survey crews on site with markers placed at the intersection. Hopefully they are working on both at the same time... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljchou Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Never noticed the "proposed street car" line going from east Navigation down commerce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBTX Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, ljchou said: Never noticed the "proposed street car" line going from east Navigation down commerce Yes, I believe that streetcar is called "desire." I'll show myself out. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkultra25 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, JBTX said: Yes, I believe that streetcar is called "desire." I'll show myself out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBTX Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, mkultra25 said: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Simplifying the roundabout to one lane may help drivers but I'm not sure if it helps traffic. Two lane roundabouts DO exist in Houston (ex. Washington and Westcott, which is a good example since it also includes of a single road going from north/south to west/east) but every time I see one of the "two lanes narrowed into one" design, it tends to affirm my belief that traffic circles are just form-over-function novelties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBTX Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 @IronTiger the current intersection is absolute cancer. You current have a 4-way intersection which, because of the 45 degree angle of the Navigation bend and Jensen, ends up actually being an 8-signal intersection as the left turns aren't properly aligned, so they have their own sequence. Add in the stoplight on the Navigation to Navigation right turn, and you technically have a 9-sequence light for a four-way intersection. It's also important to note that the amount of traffic going from Runnels to Navigation or Jensen is usually 1-3 cars, per cycle, max. The traffic from that side is negligible, but they have their own part of the cycle. Unless you can realign the interesetion into a grid (which you can't), the *only* way to improve it is to add a continuous flow roundabout. I don't care if it's only one lane, anything that keeps this from being a 5 minute light is function over form. Especially when you add in a new 400 unit apartment complex right at the intersection. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 for the size this intersection is currently, I imagine a 2 lane roundabout will fit. the amount of traffic I ever see in this intersection currently doesn't really warrant/need 2 lanes, but growth in the area will happen, and a 2 lane roundabout will make sense. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 If ever there was an intersection in Houston where a roundabout was warranted, it is here. Here combined with the Canal/Navigation intersection is more consistently frustrating than any other one-two combo I can think of. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) On 10/28/2020 at 10:09 PM, JBTX said: @IronTiger the current intersection is absolute cancer. You current have a 4-way intersection which, because of the 45 degree angle of the Navigation bend and Jensen, ends up actually being an 8-signal intersection as the left turns aren't properly aligned, so they have their own sequence. Add in the stoplight on the Navigation to Navigation right turn, and you technically have a 9-sequence light for a four-way intersection. It's also important to note that the amount of traffic going from Runnels to Navigation or Jensen is usually 1-3 cars, per cycle, max. The traffic from that side is negligible, but they have their own part of the cycle. Unless you can realign the interesetion into a grid (which you can't), the *only* way to improve it is to add a continuous flow roundabout. I don't care if it's only one lane, anything that keeps this from being a 5 minute light is function over form. Especially when you add in a new 400 unit apartment complex right at the intersection. Part of the problem with the existing intersection is I see is the insistence that eastbound Navigation has to have two lanes going continuous to the southbound part (requiring an additional light), which the roundabout would get rid of anyway. So if that were the case, I present to you a cost-effective alternative, for your consideration. http://www.carbon-izer.com/files/haif/jnavi-1.png Edited October 30, 2020 by IronTiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) That would be terrible for pedestrians. Roundabouts aren't perfect (and obviously it would be more expensive) but it would be a much better balance. Edited October 30, 2020 by Texasota 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBTX Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Texasota said: That would be terrible for pedestrians. That is something you have to consider. A lot of pedestrian and bike traffic in the area. And again, soon to be even more once Forth is complete (and presumably even more once The Mill is underway/finished). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I didn't draw in pedestrian crosswalks in my little mockup, the idea was to "improve the intersection without completely throwing it out". If such an idea was under consideration, it would have some sort of additional crossings for the corner cut there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) Those corner-cut slip lanes are inherently bad for pedestrians, exactly because they add unnecessary crossings and cars have little reason to slow down (or stop) through them. If we're trying to fix the intersection with minimal changes, then I would actually argue for filling in the slip lane. Pedestrian safety should be the primary consideration, as un-American as that may sound. Edited October 30, 2020 by Texasota 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLWM8609 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Here's my proposal. Fill in the slip lanes, get rid of the island in the middle for a traffic light and mount them at the corners with long mast arms, and realign/extend sidewalks as needed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Ewert Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I'd like to see more roundabouts if only because they are opportunities for public art/monuments, which Houston could always use more of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 https://www.iihs.org/topics/roundabouts According IIHS roundabouts are safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 On 10/30/2020 at 2:35 PM, Texasota said: Those corner-cut slip lanes are inherently bad for pedestrians, exactly because they add unnecessary crossings and cars have little reason to slow down (or stop) through them. If we're trying to fix the intersection with minimal changes, then I would actually argue for filling in the slip lane. Pedestrian safety should be the primary consideration, as un-American as that may sound. Enh, I think that the "slip lanes are bad" rhetoric comes from the same "transit blogs" that hate private automobiles and work everything around that theory, even skewing data they don't like to promote their opinions. One thing to note about "pedestrian safety" in their world is that bicycles are never seen as a threat to pedestrians, despite the fact that a fast-moving road bicycle with considerable mass could injure someone, yet the only people who advocate for bicycle speed limits are governments with a seeming contempt for actual citizens, like Toronto. Besides, corner-cut slip lanes eliminate the idea that a car could not see a pedestrian waiting at the corner and cut them off in a right turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) That argument would be a lot more convincing if people on bikes killed tens of thousands of people per year (like people in cars do). Besides, what would you set the bike speed limit at? How fast do you think people on road bikes are going? I would think maybe 18-25mph realistically which is slower than the car speed limit in most cases and definitely slower than how fast drivers are actually going. Slip lanes allow drivers to maintain speed. Even if they see someone crossing, if they're still going 30 mph they don't have time to stop. Overall I think the roundabout is the correct choice for this intersection though. It's just weird and big enough to benefit from it. Edited November 1, 2020 by Texasota 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) On 11/1/2020 at 5:48 AM, Texasota said: That argument would be a lot more convincing if people on bikes killed tens of thousands of people per year (like people in cars do). Besides, what would you set the bike speed limit at? How fast do you think people on road bikes are going? I would think maybe 18-25mph realistically which is slower than the car speed limit in most cases and definitely slower than how fast drivers are actually going. Slip lanes allow drivers to maintain speed. Even if they see someone crossing, if they're still going 30 mph they don't have time to stop. Overall I think the roundabout is the correct choice for this intersection though. It's just weird and big enough to benefit from it. your average person is probably going to average 10mph, depending on wind direction and speed. in Houston, we don't have many hills, but we do have plenty of false flats, which can impact a rider as well. people who are riding for fitness are probably going to average around 15-18mph, depending on fitness level, of course, if they are riding in a group, that might be higher. in the near future where people have easy access to electric assist bikes that will enable them to go 20mph with as much effort as they have going 10mph, but they are still infinitely safer than a car going 20mph. anyway, as stated, roundabouts are safer. as a driver, you are forced to slow down, that is number 1 reason for being safer. there is no possible scenario where a driver is doing a left turn into oncoming traffic, so no chance for a head-on collision. you have to slow down, so does everyone else, which makes it safer too. even from a fuel saving standpoint, they are better, you don't have to sit waiting for an empty intersection, and only as someone comes on the cross street does the light change and they have to stop so you can go, does the light change. it's like some guy is sitting in a room watching and changes the lights at the least effective time. anyway, yeah, you get to save fuel as well as having a faster trip. other than the fact that a roundabout is a foreign idea, and change, I don't see why roundabouts are so vehemently opposed? I mean, Westheimer and Post Oak levels of traffic intersections will never merit a roundabout, but this intersection is perfect for it. Edited November 2, 2020 by samagon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Yeah, 25mph is definitely pushing it as a sustained speed on a bike, but if you use "bikes" to mean everything including electric bikes, scooters, etc, it seems like a reasonable top end to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 in context, Iron Tiger said bicycle, so that's why I assumed when you said bike you were referencing bicycles. anyway, neither here nor there. the number of low cost (relative term) e-bikes, scooters, and mopeds that are starting to become available is astonishing (if you're ok with ordering online, rather than getting from a LBS). for Houston, with a fast growing network of safe bike lanes, add an electric assist bike to help keep from sweating too hard in the summer, the capacity is there for a shift. all that's really missing is a way to keep them from being such an easy target for thieves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 New paving from the roundabout to the Jensen St bridge is completed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaDolivin Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 wondering if anyone has an update on plans for a roundabout at this intersection? Those stoplights are horribly long and unnecessary for portions of the day. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcal Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Last I heard was that they just needed funding. Maybe they were going to apply for H-GAC funds or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sapo2367 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Presentation from this past January, has anyone heard anything more about this project? https://www.eastenddistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/2021-01-28-Navigation.pdf 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBTX Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I've seen crews come out and survey it on occasions. Many times, actually. But aside from that, I haven't heard/seen any updates. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Not a Robot Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Quote 30. ORDINANCE appropriating $117,002.15 out of Water & Sewer System Consolidated Construction Fund; approving and authorizing Advance Funding Agreement between City of Houston and TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION for Roundabout Construction at the intersection of Navigation Boulevard at Jensen Drive and Runnels Street; providing funding for CIP Cost Recovery relating to construction of facilities financed by the Water & Sewer System Consolidated Construction Fund - DISTRICT H - CISNEROS https://houstondaily.com/stories/619616637-city-of-houston-city-council-met-jan-25-26 Work has been done on the water system near the bayou on Jensen, I'm not sure if it's related to this but they are still doing work along Jensen. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBTX Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I wonder if it's related to that water pipe leak that I keep reporting to 311 that leaves a constant river down Navigation, hence Water and Sewer fund. Eitherway, glad to see "for roundabout construction" in City docs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hindesky Posted April 1 Popular Post Share Posted April 1 Get ready for the construction. Plan for delays and alternate routes. Architect/Plan Engineers- https://gaugeengineering.com 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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