hindesky Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Proposed plat, a consent item. Developer listed - http://www.morrisassoc.com Note: 1. Is this considered a Historical District? 2. The developer seems to specialize in convenience stores. 3. Wouldn't Main Street 2.0 affect vehicles accessing the site? 4. Shell Oil Products is the listed owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
004n063 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 There is a compelling mural on the north-facing wall of that lot. Has Street Art for Mankind put me in the position of supporting a surface parking lot? Dear me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 I probably didn't give the right address but this doesn't belong to the Islamic Da'wah Center, it belongs to ZIMMERMAN INTERESTS INC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I noticed a couple of weeks ago that parking lot was closed and locked. I guess now we know why. And I guess that if it's no longer earning revenue, construction shouldn't be too far off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) Will this have gas? Seems like a tight squeeze to put pumps and a real disregard for pedestrians, especially with a damn train running right next to it. If it's just a convenient store, then that works. And to the comment about Mains St 2.0, this doesn't look good for the future of that if this is the case, UNLESS it's just a convenient store. What's also interesting is Zimmerman Interests owns the lot. They specialize in rehabbing old buildings. Edited March 12 by j_cuevas713 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookey23 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 This is all pretty confusing. Zimmerman Interests owns 110 & 114 Main Street and the owners are really interested in rehabbing and revitalizing the northern edge of Main Street. It'd make a ton of sense if they were developing this land into something new, but it makes no sense for a gas station developer to come in and build something there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 I'm gonna guess it will simply be a convenience store especially if this part of Main St. is closed off to traffic. Unless Whitmire nixes the plans. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntheKnowHouston Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 18 hours ago, hindesky said: The Equilent 2402 subdivision plat consists of the following parcels: 208 Main St 214 Main St Edited March 12 by IntheKnowHouston 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
004n063 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 40 minutes ago, hindesky said: I'm gonna guess it will simply be a convenience store especially if this part of Main St. is closed off to traffic. Unless Whitmire nixes the plans. I sure hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntheKnowHouston Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 18 hours ago, hindesky said: Is this considered a Historical District? I think so. According to the city's Houston Map Viewer, 208 Main St and 214 Main St are in the Main Street / Market Square Historic District. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntheKnowHouston Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 17 hours ago, hindesky said: I probably didn't give the right address but this doesn't belong to the Islamic Da'wah Center, it belongs to ZIMMERMAN INTERESTS INC. @hindesky you didn't provide the correct address. The parcels included on the Equilent 2402 subdivision plat are: 208 Main St 214 Main St Both parcels were owned by 214 Main Purchase LLC, an entity of Zimmerman Interests. However, a warranty deed recorded to the county clerk's database shows the properties changed hands earlier this year. Equilon Enterprises LLC and Shell Oil Products US acquired 208 Main St and 214 Main St in January. The change in ownership has yet to be reflected on HCAD's website. Edited March 12 by IntheKnowHouston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 10 minutes ago, IntheKnowHouston said: @hindesky you didn't provide the correct address. The parcels included on the Equilent 2402 subdivision plat are: 208 Main St 214 Main St Both parcels were owned by 214 Main Purchase LLC, an entity of Zimmerman Interests. However, a warranty deed recorded to the county clerk's database shows the properties changed hands earlier this year. Equilon Enterprises LLC and Shell Oil Products US acquired 208 Main St and 214 Main St in January. The change in ownership has yet to be reflected on HCAD's website. Damn that doesn't seem like a good thing, especially for the MS 2.0 project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 It is in the Main St. Market Sq. Historical District map as a non-contributing but whatever they plan to build here will have to be approved by the Historical Commission. https://www.houstontx.gov/planning/HistoricPres/HistoricPreservationManual/docs_pdfs/pj17025_Main_St_Market_Sq.pdf 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Does anyone see a way this can end up improving things? Or are we looking at Main Street Market all over again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntheKnowHouston Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 minutes ago, editor said: Does anyone see a way this can end up improving things? Anything is better than what's there now which is a surface lot for parking. I hope whatever is built here will blend architecturally with the surrounding buildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
004n063 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 8 minutes ago, editor said: Does anyone see a way this can end up improving things? Or are we looking at Main Street Market all over again? Just now, IntheKnowHouston said: Anything is better than what's there now which is a surface lot for parking. I hope whatever is built here will blend architecturally with the surrounding buildings. It is a surface parking lot, but it also the site of one of the district's more striking murals. An actual gas station would be a step down, in my opinion, though it seems an unlikely outcome. A miniature Phoenicia-type market with a small patio fronting the mural, or a small night market/patio for the adjacent Hotel Icon would both be excellent uses for the parcels, in my opinion, but with Shell as the owner, that doesn't seem likely. Does anybody here know anything about the diversity of Shell Oil Products' properties? Also, even if it just a convenience store, I don't think that's a reason to give up all hope. Plenty of good gas station taquerías in the city and Downtown continues to desperately need decent breakfast taco option. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 37 minutes ago, 004n063 said: even if it just a convenience store, I don't think that's a reason to give up all hope. Plenty of good gas station taquerías in the city and Downtown continues to desperately need decent breakfast taco option. It makes me a bit sad to think that all downtown Houston can aspire to is gas station tacos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 41 minutes ago, editor said: It makes me a bit sad to think that all downtown Houston can aspire to is gas station tacos. It makes me a bit sad (for you) that your disdain for the city to which you have chosen to return causes you to take that from what 004n063 wrote. He/She didn't say or imply any such thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HNathoo Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Shell has been trying to acquire sites inside the loop for EV Charging. Given this site doesn't lay out well for a typical gas station, seems like it might make sense to become an EV Charging station. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorin Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, HNathoo said: Shell has been trying to acquire sites inside the loop for EV Charging. Given this site doesn't lay out well for a typical gas station, seems like it might make sense to become an EV Charging station. That would make the most sense, really. I'm sitting here, reading this thread, and wondering about the challenges of getting fuel tanks in the ground without disturbing things like the light rail system, and if the digging would compromise other foundations around the immediate area. Then, atop that, it really isn't big enough to be a good sized gas station........ This just seemed odd to me, but a charge station would seem....less odd? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Shell has also been putting more emphasis on gaining revenue from non-fuel sales. Several years ago, they said they were aiming to get 50% of their revenue from non-fuel by 2025. And they have at least tested a "Shell Select" c-store model with a heavy focus on food. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Houston19514 said: Shell has also been putting more emphasis on gaining revenue from non-fuel sales. Several years ago, they said they were aiming to get 50% of their revenue from non-fuel by 2025. And they have at least tested a "Shell Select" c-store model with a heavy focus on food. I think Exxon or Chevron is doing the same thing. I read something in the Chronicle about it buying a bunch of convenience stores and the fast food chain attached to them. The name escapes me, but I've seen them elsewhere in Houston. So maybe this is Shell's version of that. But I like @HNathoo's EV charging station idea much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
004n063 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I would hope for a Shell Select over an EV charging station, only because it would seem like too much of an oversight on their part to build an EV station on a (future) pedestrian street. I certainly hope that they don't know something we don't about Main Street 2.0. On the other hand, if there is certainty around MS2.0, then a quick build convenience store is a smart play on Shell's part - safe, easy money on a plot whose value is likely to significantly increase in the coming years. Buy and build now, profit for a few years, and then sell it to a hospitality group in 2035. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntheKnowHouston Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 9 hours ago, HNathoo said: Shell has been trying to acquire sites inside the loop for EV Charging. Given this site doesn't lay out well for a typical gas station, seems like it might make sense to become an EV Charging station. That makes a lot more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
004n063 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 10 hours ago, IntheKnowHouston said: That makes a lot more sense. But only if they're scrapping MS2.0, which I really hope they aren't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATH Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 I would think that the cost for a gas station to obtain liability insurance in an historic district would be prohibitive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 Multinational oil and gas giant Shell plans to divest around 1,000 company-owned gas stations over the next two years as it expands its electric vehicle charging network. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/shell-ev-charging-gas-station-19367192.php 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 So even if it is an EV station like we all assume it will be, what does that mean for Main St 2.0? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 (edited) 3 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said: So even if it is an EV station like we all assume it will be, what does that mean for Main St 2.0? Maybe Chaad Whitmire already cancelled MS2.0? Edited March 29 by hindesky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinglyam Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Even disregarding MS2.0, this seems a lousy place for a charging station, unless they think they'll get a lot of apartment dwellers buying EVs without access to charging at home. I think that's a pretty tiny market still, because of how long it takes to charge. There's no viable access there for people on long trips, so who would use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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