Houston population stats?

[H-Town Man]

18 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

If there's stagnation in the white population, it would show up in the data.  A few cars in Austin bearing bumper stickers supporting the state's best baseball team tells us nothing.  The Kinder Institute's (i.e., Klineberg's) own data disproves the stagnation theory.

Nice edit to your post! Of course, I only threw that in a parenthesis as anecdotal coloring. This is all-out war for you, isn't it?

 

[Houston19514]

3 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

I've already given you a link, not sure what the point would be in digging up more. Klineberg's been saying for a decade that the white population effectively stopped growing after the 80's oil bust. It's supported by the drop in % from 60% to 40% in 30 years. Why don't you go tell Klineberg that his own research disproves his theory? This could be a dream moment for you. For years you've been arguing with everything anyone posts on an internet forum that can be remotely construed as negative about Houston... take it to the big stage!

 

And I posted the link to the data. Who knows what Klineberg was trying to say in that quote or whether he was misquoted or taken out of context? The data speaks for itself.  And it does not show a white population stagnation.

[H-Town Man]

10 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

And I posted the link to the data. Who knows what Klineberg was trying to say in that quote or whether he was misquoted or taken out of context? The data speaks for itself.  And it does not show a white population stagnation.

You posted a link that had percentages, which showed the Anglo percentage plummeting. Then you added your own calculations, but admitted you thought some of them were wrong due to changes in how things were measured, how surveys were done, etc. You asked me for a link for what Klineberg said and I gave it to you, then you opined that he was misquoted or taken out of context (!).

Now you have fallen back on the old Houston 19514 trademarks: The LOL, the winking smiley face, and telling other people to lighten up, as if all your frantic internet searching and homemade statistics were done so lightheartedly...

 

[Tumbleweed_Tx]

there's 6 million people in this area? Has anyone hold those people to stop coming, we're full?  heh

[Montrose1100]

7 hours ago, Tumbleweed_Tx said:

there's 6 million people in this area? Has anyone hold those people to stop coming, we're full?  heh

7.1 million.

[Houston19514]

 

For those interested in data, here is what Klineberg's data tells us about the non-Hispanic white population of the Houston metro area from 1990 to 2010. It will be interesting to see the 2020 numbers when comparable data becomes available:

1990:  57.9% = 1,911,822

2000:  482% = 2,013,125

2010:  39.7% = 2,350,405

Edited August 17, 2021 by Houston19514

[Houston19514]

More fun facts from the 2020 Census:

The population in the Houston CBD stood at 7423 (not including group housing, which for downtown is primarily jails).

The population inside the Loop is right at 500,000.

[august948]

On 8/17/2021 at 1:09 AM, Tumbleweed_Tx said:

there's 6 million people in this area? Has anyone hold those people to stop coming, we're full?  heh

Apparently we built the wall on the wrong border. 😛

[august948]

Any idea if we'll be getting any of the Afghanis fleeing our latest foreign policy disaster?

[wilcal]

1 hour ago, august948 said:

Any idea if we'll be getting any of the Afghanis fleeing our latest foreign policy disaster?

Somewhere between 50 and 320 https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/08/17/texas-preparing-to-take-in-afghan-refugees/

I did some volunteer work with an org a few years ago to help refugees learn english and several were Afghan. I'm sure they'll fit in fine just like the others that were already here.

 

[BEES?!]

On 8/17/2021 at 12:32 PM, Houston19514 said:

More fun facts from the 2020 Census:

The population in the Houston CBD stood at 7423 (not including group housing, which for downtown is primarily jails).

The population inside the Loop is right at 500,000.

Wow, I was kinda wondering when inner loop would hit 500k people. What areas are primarily driving the growth, or is it just sorta spread out over the whole area? 
 

IIRC wasn’t the previous highest-ever inner loop population just under 500k in the 1960s? That is awesome that people are moving to the “core” area and revitalizing it more. 
 

I read that the inner loop population in 2010 was 443,949 people. So in 10 years, it added just over 50k people to what’s already a pretty built-out area.

Sorta related but I’m super curious to see numbers for the Uptown/Galleria area.

[X.R.]

55 minutes ago, BEES?! said:

Wow, I was kinda wondering when inner loop would hit 500k people. What areas are primarily driving the growth, or is it just sorta spread out over the whole area? 
 

IIRC wasn’t the previous highest-ever inner loop population just under 500k in the 1960s? That is awesome that people are moving to the “core” area and revitalizing it more. 
 

I read that the inner loop population in 2010 was 443,949 people. So in 10 years, it added just over 50k people to what’s already a pretty built-out area.

Sorta related but I’m super curious to see numbers for the Uptown/Galleria area.

Paging @Houston19514 I'm trying to find your loop stats but failing, so what was the increase from 2010 til now? And thats incredible @BEES?!if this is nearing the most people who ever lived in the loop!

[Houston19514]

15 hours ago, X.R. said:

Paging @Houston19514 I'm trying to find your loop stats but failing, so what was the increase from 2010 til now? And thats incredible @BEES?!if this is nearing the most people who ever lived in the loop!

I haven't found the 2010 numbers by census tract, so can't do the comparison.  I feel like I have a spread sheet stored in my computer somewhere, but haven't been able to track it down.  The 2020 numbers I put together from a Census Tract map.

[Houston19514]

 non-Hispanic white population of the Houston metro area from 1990 to 2010 (from Kinder Institute report and US Census populations). 

1990:  57.9% = 1,911,822

2000:  482% = 2,013,125

2010:  39.7% = 2,350,405

 

I finally found 2020 census demographic breakdowns:

2020:  33.7% --  2,399,963 

 

A little more detail.  As I mentioned upthread, Harris County's non-Hispanic white population has been declining for some time.  But the non-Hispanic white population of most of the suburban counties continues to grow:

Harris:  down 3%

Fort Bend:  up 15.6%

Montgomery:  up 14.4%

Galveston:  up 10.8%

Brazoria:  down 2.9%

Liberty:  down 4.4%

Chambers:  up 20.6%

Austin:  down 0.9%

Waller:  up 21.7%

Edited August 21, 2021 by Houston19514

[Houston19514]

On 8/19/2021 at 5:37 PM, X.R. said:

Paging @Houston19514 I'm trying to find your loop stats but failing, so what was the increase from 2010 til now? And thats incredible @BEES?!if this is nearing the most people who ever lived in the loop!

I found the 2010 numbers.

2010 population inside the Loop:  454,102

2020:  504,489

11.1% growth.

[wilcal]

37 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

I found the 2010 numbers.

2010 population inside the Loop:  454,102

2020:  504,489

11.1% growth.

That is really good. 50k people is a ton!

I'm used to downloading ACS data, but I don't see similar files on population by census tract on census.gov. Where did you get the tract data? I'd love to do a visualization in ArcMAP

[Houston19514]

12 minutes ago, wilcal said:

That is really good. 50k people is a ton!

I'm used to downloading ACS data, but I don't see similar files on population by census tract on census.gov. Where did you get the tract data? I'd love to do a visualization in ArcMAP

https://data.dispatch.com/census/total-population/total-population-change/census-tract-2125-harris-county-texas/140-48201212500/

 

[wilcal]

3 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

https://data.dispatch.com/census/total-population/total-population-change/census-tract-2125-harris-county-texas/140-48201212500/

 

That will save me the effort lol.

NE corner of Midtown is really interesting

 

Number of housing units went from 913 to 1532, but total population dropped from 2499 to 2484. Huh?

So the average occupied unit in 2010 had 2.91 people but the average unit in 2020 had 1.91?

That seems unlikely to me!

 

[Houston19514]

15 hours ago, wilcal said:

That will save me the effort lol.

NE corner of Midtown is really interesting

 

Number of housing units went from 913 to 1532, but total population dropped from 2499 to 2484. Huh?

So the average occupied unit in 2010 had 2.91 people but the average unit in 2020 had 1.91?

That seems unlikely to me!

 

Check the group quarters numbers?  I don’t see the 2010 group quarters population.  196 in group homes in 2020.   Maybe there were more group quarters residents in 2010?

Edited August 22, 2021 by Houston19514

[august948]

5 hours ago, wilcal said:

That will save me the effort lol.

NE corner of Midtown is really interesting

 

Number of housing units went from 913 to 1532, but total population dropped from 2499 to 2484. Huh?

So the average occupied unit in 2010 had 2.91 people but the average unit in 2020 had 1.91?

That seems unlikely to me!

 

That sounds like families moving out and singles or couples moving in.  What does the residential real estate look like in that block 2010 vs 2020?

[Houston19514]

10 hours ago, august948 said:

That sounds like families moving out and singles or couples moving in.  What does the residential real estate look like in that block 2010 vs 2020?

It seems unlikely there were that many more families in that neighborhood in 2010 than 2020.

[wilcal]

14 hours ago, august948 said:

That sounds like families moving out and singles or couples moving in.  What does the residential real estate look like in that block 2010 vs 2020?

New units certainly skew apartments over townhomes, but I don't think very much of the existing housing stock was replaced. Mostly infill.

3 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

It seems unlikely there were that many more families in that neighborhood in 2010 than 2020.

Maybe a few moving out, but not that many. Number of occupied housing units went up by 51% (860 to 1,300) yet pop went down by 15. It would be like if the same number of residents spread out into those 50% extra units plus losing 15 people. 

There is some ACS data for age/household size/etc but I'm feeling too lazy to look it up.

Edited August 22, 2021 by wilcal

[Houston19514]

18 hours ago, wilcal said:

New units certainly skew apartments over townhomes, but I don't think very much of the existing housing stock was replaced. Mostly infill.

Maybe a few moving out, but not that many. Number of occupied housing units went up by 51% (860 to 1,300) yet pop went down by 15. It would be like if the same number of residents spread out into those 50% extra units plus losing 15 people. 

There is some ACS data for age/household size/etc but I'm feeling too lazy to look it up.

Yeah, I think there must have been some additional group quarters housing in 2010 that has since moved elsewhere or reduced their residency.

[Ross]

23 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

It seems unlikely there were that many more families in that neighborhood in 2010 than 2020.

You might be surprised. We lived in that area from the end 1998 through mid-2004. Once our kid turned 2, we started looking elsewhere for a house with a bigger yard and fewer street people. I think that is the normal course of events.

[Houston19514]

52 minutes ago, Ross said:

You might be surprised. We lived in that area from the end 1998 through mid-2004. Once our kid turned 2, we started looking elsewhere for a house with a bigger yard and fewer street people. I think that is the normal course of events.

Yes, but wouldn't the normal course of events likely lead to a similar quantity of young families/newlyweds moving in as those with toddlers move out? There does not seem to have been any reduction in family housing stock since 2010 that would have caused there to be significantly fewer families in this neighborhood now than in 2010.

[Ross]

1 hour ago, Houston19514 said:

Yes, but wouldn't the normal course of events likely lead to a similar quantity of young families/newlyweds moving in as those with toddlers move out? There does not seem to have been any reduction in family housing stock since 2010 that would have caused there to be significantly fewer families in this neighborhood now than in 2010.

There may also be a timing issue with the census, given it occurs every 10 years. Depending on when the kids are born, they won't get picked up in the census. It might be useful to do an analysis based on ages.

[Houston19514]

I found a little useful information, but not yet a definitive answer to the Census Tract 3125.01 quandary.

Apparently 3125.01 and 3125.02 were created from what in the 2010 census was 3125.  Comparing the 2010 numbers for 3125 with the aggregate 2020 numbers for .01 and .02:

2010:  Total Population: 4,235.  Total Housing Units:  1,818.  Occupied Housing Units:  1,622.  Population in Group Quarters:  1,367.  Population in Households:  2,868

2020:  Total Population: 4,868.  Total Housing Units:  2,587.  Occupied Housing Units:  2,152.  Population in Group Quarters:  1,066.  Population in Households:  3,802

[wilcal]

45 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

I found a little useful information, but not yet a definitive answer to the Census Tract 3125.01 quandary.

Apparently 3125.01 and 3125.02 were created from what in the 2010 census was 3125.  Comparing the 2010 numbers for 3125 with the aggregate 2020 numbers for .01 and .02:

2010:  Total Population: 4,235.  Total Housing Units:  1,818.  Occupied Housing Units:  1,622.  Population in Group Quarters:  1,367.  Population in Households:  2,868

2020:  Total Population: 4,868.  Total Housing Units:  2,587.  Occupied Housing Units:  2,152.  Population in Group Quarters:  1,066.  Population in Households:  3,802

That rings much more true to me.

2010 household size of 2.61 to 2020 household size of 2.26 and a pop increase of 15% but with an housing unit increase of 42%.

Pretty common for household size to drop like this in urban cores from this census evidently. 

 

[H-Town Man]

On 8/21/2021 at 12:37 PM, Houston19514 said:

 non-Hispanic white population of the Houston metro area from 1990 to 2010 (from Kinder Institute report and US Census populations). 

1990:  57.9% = 1,911,822

2000:  482% = 2,013,125

2010:  39.7% = 2,350,405

 

I finally found 2020 census demographic breakdowns:

2020:  33.7% --  2,399,963 

 

A little more detail.  As I mentioned upthread, Harris County's non-Hispanic white population has been declining for some time.  But the non-Hispanic white population of most of the suburban counties continues to grow:

Harris:  down 3%

Fort Bend:  up 15.6%

Montgomery:  up 14.4%

Galveston:  up 10.8%

Brazoria:  down 2.9%

Liberty:  down 4.4%

Chambers:  up 20.6%

Austin:  down 0.9%

Waller:  up 21.7%

That looks like stagnation to me. Metro area post-2010 experiences its biggest employment boom since the early 80's and white population barely increases. I would predict that this decade, without another boom, it will decrease (maybe substantially), especially now that most local political leadership has switched to Democrat.  

I'm curious whether the definition of the metro area changed at all between 1990 and 2010. Were Waller and Austin counties part of it in 1990?

 

Edited August 23, 2021 by H-Town Man

[BeerNut]

3 hours ago, H-Town Man said:

That looks like stagnation to me. Metro area post-2010 experiences its biggest employment boom since the early 80's and white population barely increases. I would predict that this decade, without another boom, it will decrease (maybe substantially), especially now that most local political leadership has switched to Democrat.  

I'm curious whether the definition of the metro area changed at all between 1990 and 2010. Were Waller and Austin counties part of it in 1990?