Kuhlmann Cemetery At 4001 Roseneath Rd.

[spikey2]

Behind the stately old Weingarten Mansion and Estate on S MacGregor there is a large wooded area facing Roseneath that is listed as a Cemetery by HCAD. Do anyone have any information on this.

[JLWM8609]

I have heard some rumors of a cemetery in this neighborhood. What I was told is that it was in the vicinity of S. MacGregor and Bowling Green, but I can't back that statement up. Maybe I'll get a chance to ride over on Roseneath and see what I can find.

[isuredid]

The Kuhlmann family owned much of the land in that area and it is the Kuhlmann family cemetery you are referring to.

Here is the Harris Couny Block Book which shows the block where the cemetery is located. The cemetery is written in pencil and it states that it is 2 acres.

Harris_County Block_Book_Kuhlmann_Cemetery

Look at cemetery #227 in this list:

Harris County Cemeteries

Here's an image from live.com

Edited May 28, 2007 by isuredid

[isuredid]

The road at the top of this map is Griggs Road

[JLWM8609]

So I suppose that's the family "Kuhlman Gully" was named for. I'm also trying to make out some of the words on the map. Looks like Griggs Rd. had lots of other names back then, I see "Brays Bayou Road", "Road from Houston, Galveston, and San Jacinto R.", "(can't be read) Crossing to Pierce Junction and Houston Road", and I also see a section of land is named after someone named "Tierwester", another interesting origin of a road name.

Edited May 29, 2007 by JLWM8609

[Vertigo58]

This is very interesting. I never knew there was a cemetary back there. I always just assumed that wooded portion was part of the Weingarten property.

How would someone start to research? I mean to see when the cemetary was created and especially what names can be found there. Is it possible there are well known Houstonians interred here? I had never heard of this burial site until now.

Mysterious.

[isuredid]

So I suppose that's the family "Kuhlman Gully" was named for. I'm also trying to make out some of the words on the map. Looks like Griggs Rd. had lots of other names back then, I see "Brays Bayou Road", "Road from Houston, Galveston, and San Jacinto R.", "(can't be read) Crossing to Pierce Junction and Houston Road", and I also see a section of land is named after someone named "Tierwester", another interesting origin of a road name.

Tierwester is another interesting character. Here is a write up on him by a local historian:

Henry Tierwester Article

I was disappointed that the map did not show up larger. The notation for Tierwester says "Tierwester 1/3 League" . The writing on the road says " Road from Galveston Houston & San Antonio RR and Gulf Colorado RR Crossing to Pierce Junction & Houston Road or Brays Bayou Road. The gully is marked "Kuhlmann's Gully" The Griggs road is also marked "South Line of the Luke Moore League"

I grew up a few blocks from Kuhlman's gulley, but a bit further north than the section depicted on this map. The map drawer didn't extend Kuhlmann's gully to Brays Bayou as is really the case.

Edited May 29, 2007 by isuredid

[Sharpstown Bill]

Hey's here's a couple more--there was an old cemetery near Keegan's & Brays Bayou that probably was lost in all the development 25 years ago...also one near Stafford Rd I believe was called Cravens. Any rememberances?

[isuredid]

How would someone start to research? I mean to see when the cemetary was created and especially what names can be found there. Is it possible there are well known Houstonians interred here? I had never heard of this burial site until now.

Mysterious.

This was a family cemetery for the Kuhlmann family, but is possible that some of the neighbors were also buried there, but I doub't anyone well known. I've never seen a cemetery survey for that cemetery so I don't know who is buried there.

I believe that John H. Kuhlmann and his wife Minna owned that land. Their homestead was right off Calhoun Road and it was still there when I was growing up. My parents banked at MacGregor Park National Bank (now Johnson Funeral Home) and directly behind the bank was the Kuhlmann farmhouse. There was no farm anymore, but there were several outbuildings and a rather large chicken yard with chicken coops. We used to go watch the chickens whenever my mom would go to the bank. John H. Kuhlmann was born in Harris County around 1857. His children were named Christian, Katherine, Mary, Adolph, and John T. Kuhlmann.

John T. died before his father and two children did not survive childbirth.

If I were to guess the area of their land I would say Scott Street on the West, Brays Bayou on the North, Kulmann's gully on the east, and Griggs Road on the South. Apparently Griggs road is the south line of the Luke Moore league. I think they also owned some land in the Tierwester league.

The land that the cemetery is on is two acres, but the cemetery itself is only 30'x30', so there probably aren't that many family members buried there.

Edited May 30, 2007 by isuredid

[JLWM8609]

Photos I took today of the site.

I don't know if there are any headstones or other markings out there, but I'm not one to venture into the woods alone in the inner-city. Though I've heard those woods were used as a makeout spot (I presume other "activities" as well ). My now deceased oldest brother even found someone's stash of dirty mags there once. And nobody until now knows that it's a cemetery. There is a small waterway running though there. A pipe running under Roseneath terminates on that land and is probably the source of that waterway. The land is not your typical Houston flat, there is a slight. natural roll to it. There is also some evidence of illegal dumping in the guise of tires, empty motor oil bottles, etc... I think some sort of signage should be put up denoting the cemetery's existence.

Edited May 30, 2007 by JLWM8609

[musicman]

I don't know if there are any headstones or other markings out there, but I'm not one to venture into the woods alone in the inner-city.

LOL don't go to memorial often?

[JLWM8609]

LOL don't go to memorial often?

Nope, in fact, except for going to the Aboretum once when I was a little boy with my dad, I can't remember going into Memorial Park. Don't think I'd venture in those woods alone either (or their restrooms for that matter), did I just say that?

[Vertigo58]

Nope, in fact, except for going to the Aboretum once when I was a little boy with my dad, I can't remember going into Memorial Park. Don't think I'd venture in those woods alone either (or their restrooms for that matter), did I just say that?

George Michael hangout?

Also note that people need to think twice when they go do cleanups in heavily wooded areas like the cemetary. Used Syringes are always found in these areas.

One punch in your foot/hand and it's adios amigo!

[isuredid]

George Michael hangout?

Also note that people need to think twice when they go do cleanups in heavily wooded areas like the cemetary. Used Syringes are always found in these areas.

One punch in your foot/hand and it's adios amigo!

The deed records for the cemetery metion a 20 foot wide road for access to the cemetery from the public road. Has anyone seen any evidence of such a road. It could even be on the S. MacGregor side I suppose.

Quit Claim Deed

State of Texas, County of Harris

Know all men by the presents:

That we, August Kuhlmann and George Kuhlmann,Jr., of the County of Harris and State of Texas, for and in consideration of the sum of Ten ($10.000) Dollars, and other valuable considerations to us in hand paid by Henry H. Kuhlmann,Jr,of the County of Harris and State of Texas, the receipt of which is hereby acknowledged, do, by the presents bargain,sell,release and forever quit claim unto the said Henry H. Kuhlmann, Jr, his heirs and assigns, all our right, title and interest to that certain tract or parcel of land lying in the County of Harris, State of Texas, described as follows, to-wit:

Two (2) acres of land, more or less, in lot 9, of the West one-half (1/2) of the Luke Moore League in Harris County Texas, described by metes and bounds as follows:

Beginning at an iron pipe which is located North 63 deg 5 min. East 105.85 ft. from an iron rod which marks the most Easterly corner of that tract of land conveyed to M.C. McGehee, Jr. by MacGregor Drive Development Company, by deed recorded in Vol. 991, Page 441 of the Harris County Texas Deed Records; Thence North 64 deg. 30 min, East 295 ft. to an iron rod for corner; Thence South 25 deg. 30 min. East 295.18 ft. to an iron rod for corner; Thence North 25 deg. 30 min, West 295.16 ft. to the place of beginning; save and except from the above described tract or lot occupied and known as the graveyard, or cemetery, and being 30 ft. by 30 ft. in size, and containing 900 sq. ft. in area, more or less, and save and except also a roadway twenty feet in width from the said graveyard lot, or cemetery extending across the said above described land for the purpose of ingress and egress to and from the graveyard or cemetery.

To have and to hold the said premesis, together with all and singular the rights, priveleges and appurtenance thereto in any manner belonging unto the said Henry. H. Kuhlmann, Jr., his heirs and assigns, forever, so that neither we, ourselves, the said August Kuhlmann and George Kuhlmann,Jr., not our heirs, nor any person or persons claiming under us shall, at any time hereafter, have, claim, or demand any right or title to the aforesaid premises or appurtanances, or any part thereof.

Witness our hands at Houston,Texas, this 13 day of June, A.D. 1939

George Kuhlmann, Jr.

August Kuhlmann.

John Henry Kuhlmann's wife Mina's full and maiden name was Wilhelmina Moehr and they were married September 25th 1884.

Edited May 31, 2007 by isuredid

[isuredid]

Here is another historical footnote to this story. The John Henry Kuhlmann that was married to Wihelmina Moehr was a Junior. His father was John Henry Kuhlman Sr. and his father's sister (his aunt) was named Catherine. Catherine Kuhlmann was married to Henry Henke of "Henke and Pillot" fame.

[JLWM8609]

The deed records for the cemetery metion a 20 foot wide road for access to the cemetery from the public road. Has anyone seen any evidence of such a road. It could even be on the S. MacGregor side I suppose.

I can look again tommorow, but I didn't see a sign of that road.

[gonzo1976]

Here's an entry from a book (unpublished) on local cemeteries:

"KUHLMANN CEMETERY: 4001 Roseneath and Oakcrest, in old Riverside Terrace. Late 19th century settlers' cemetery. Only a low brick wall remains; all graves transferred to Forest Park Lawndale. Johann Frederick Kuhlmann had already buried his first wife and two children in the two-acre private cemetery when he died in 1883."

Further information appears in the 11/5/52 Houston Chronicle.

[isuredid]

Here's an entry from a book (unpublished) on local cemeteries:

"KUHLMANN CEMETERY: 4001 Roseneath and Oakcrest, in old Riverside Terrace. Late 19th century settlers' cemetery. Only a low brick wall remains; all graves transferred to Forest Park Lawndale. Johann Frederick Kuhlmann had already buried his first wife and two children in the two-acre private cemetery when he died in 1883."

Further information appears in the 11/5/52 Houston Chronicle.

Is this the Trevia Wooster Beverly book called "At Rest"?

[gonzo1976]

Is this the Trevia Wooster Beverly book called "At Rest"?

Yeah. Was it actually published? I got a copy from the author a few years ago when it was still in the process of being published.

[Dan the Man]

There is a state law that requires all cemetaries to have access to a public ROW. Though the access easement exists, I imagine that it is not easily navigable, given the overgrown nature of the place.

[isuredid]

Yeah. Was it actually published? I got a copy from the author a few years ago when it was still in the process of being published.

If it was published I've never seen it. I've only seen reference to it. I may get a mention in the next edition because I helped her track down the location of the Reinermann family cemetery in Cottage Grove. This was another cemetery where most of the people in the cemetery were moved. In this case to Glenwood and Washington cemeteries. It didn't look like everyone was moved though, and now there is a warehouse sitting on top of it.

[spikey2]

If all the bodies were moved from this cemetery do that mean that this land can be reused for residential someday. Considering the high price of vacant land in this area, why would it be allowed to just sit there overgrown and neglected for decades. Is any one paying taxes on this?

[Vertigo58]

If all the bodies were moved from this cemetery do that mean that this land can be reused for residential someday. Considering the high price of vacant land in this area, why would it be allowed to just sit there overgrown and neglected for decades. Is any one paying taxes on this?

Now thats a good question. Who is paying the taxes?

I thought for sure there was a cemetary section on this forum and this would get shoved in there.

On a seperate note. Does anyone know what the name of the little cemetary is on Lockwood and 610 frwy?

They finally cleared it a few years ago and placed a white fence all around it. It was also neglected for years. Now that one has to be historic big time!

Its across the street from Cozy Kitchen Barbecue and over a few blocks by 610.

[isuredid]

Here is the HCAD record for the property. Looks like no one knows who owns the land and no one pays taxes on the property:

HCAD Kuhlmann Cemetery

[JLWM8609]

Now thats a good question. Who is paying the taxes?

I thought for sure there was a cemetary section on this forum and this would get shoved in there.

On a seperate note. Does anyone know what the name of the little cemetary is on Lockwood and 610 frwy?

They finally cleared it a few years ago and placed a white fence all around it. It was also neglected for years. Now that one has to be historic big time!

Its across the street from Cozy Kitchen Barbecue and over a few blocks by 610.

If it's by Cozy Kitchen, that's I-10, not 610 that it's near.

[Cemeterywolf]

Now thats a good question. Who is paying the taxes?

I thought for sure there was a cemetary section on this forum and this would get shoved in there.

On a seperate note. Does anyone know what the name of the little cemetary is on Lockwood and 610 frwy?

They finally cleared it a few years ago and placed a white fence all around it. It was also neglected for years. Now that one has to be historic big time!

Its across the street from Cozy Kitchen Barbecue and over a few blocks by 610.

Hello everyone,

If anyone needs information on Harris County Cemeteries go to this web site.

Cemeteries of Harris County by George E. Wolf Jr.

http://www.freewebs.com/boneyardwolf/

Thanks

GEW

[rapturematt]

Sounds like a research project in the making. Who is going to be up for the challenge?

[MeltedPlastic]

Hey's here's a couple more--there was an old cemetery near Keegan's & Brays Bayou that probably was lost in all the development 25 years ago...

I am not sure exactly where the one you are talking about is, but could it be here:

Just to the south of the intersection of Honeywell and Summerbell there is an old cemetery near the bayou. It is still there and only has a few headstones in it. On the bird's eye view of the link, it is the triangle shaped piece of property next to the bayou.

See it

[NenaE]

This is very interesting. I never knew there was a cemetary back there. I always just assumed that wooded portion was part of the Weingarten property.

See post 3 for agood aerial pic...I was looking at the Sanborn maps last night for the Weingarten house property, and noticed that the property was shaped like an upside down "L". Thought it was odd that the Weingartens didn't own the whole block of land facing both streets. The cemetery explains it.

Wow, what great collaborative research this thread has, thnx everyone.

Isuredid grew up around here, and JLWM lives in the area now. I don't blame you if you didn't want to go into those cemetary woods alone, I wouldn't go by myself either. I've been startled by bums when taking pictures before...and they were pretty harmless. Guess the graves are no longer there now, from the notes, it says they were moved.

According to the AIA Houston arch. Gd., the (yr.1907) Theo. H. Kuhlman house (originally at S. Macgregor Way near Scott St.) was moved to 3716 Charleston St. in 1937, when that section of Riverside was in first stages of development.

Edited March 13, 2009 by NenaE

[Cemeterywolf]

Now thats a good question. Who is paying the taxes?

I thought for sure there was a cemetary section on this forum and this would get shoved in there.

On a seperate note. Does anyone know what the name of the little cemetary is on Lockwood and 610 frwy?

They finally cleared it a few years ago and placed a white fence all around it. It was also neglected for years. Now that one has to be historic big time!

Its across the street from Cozy Kitchen Barbecue and over a few blocks by 610.

It is the Evergreen Negro Cemetery, Est. 1896. The City of Houston cut the cemetery in two when put Lockwood thru it. Graves were moved elsewhere???

Cemeteries of Harris Co.,Texas by George E. Wolf Jr.