VA Tech Students Murdered

[Jeebus]

Not much to say except here's the link: VA Tech Mass-Murder

[hokieone]

Not much to say except here's the link: VA Tech Mass-Murder

this is really beyond words for me. i graduated from virginia tech in 2002. for me there are very few places in the world i consider to have special meaning for me and blacksburg in one of them. its the place where i met some of my best friends and a place where we all felt like we grew up. its about as beautiful and care free of a town as you can possibly find and whenever we go back for games, its nothing but laughing and fond memories. it is unreal a little town like that in the middle of nowhere can have something like this happen - the worst thing is that these people all had nothing to do with anything. they were just students going to class and it isn't fair for this to happen to anyone. and i feel like this happened in my home because of the 4 years i spent there and now it seems like it'll be years until things feel the same. i don't understand how these things happen and its been strange thoughout the day because it feels worse and worse the more i think about it. i don't know what drives people to do these things and its hard to explain how sad it feels to see the buildings you used to fall asleep in class in no the backdrop to such a terrible tragedy. i want to hear the exact stories of what happened but at the same time its irrelevant - i love my school, and i love that town, and though i don't really know anyone there anymore, i just feel so shocked and saddened to hear this news. i have the deepest sympathy for anyone killed, injured, or even just there having to live through the hell of the moment - i can only imagine being a parent of anyone in school there and having to feel that dread of not knowing if your child is safe or not.

[Trae]

This is bad. I think 30 are confirmed dead.

[DJ V Lawrence]

A student just told our class about it a few minutes ago. That's just sick beyond words.

[Trae]

There are reports that this idiot lined students up and shot them execution style. My heart and prayers go out to the 32 students families... If you can't send your kids to school and they be safe, what is our world coming to.

[Trae]

Just heard some interviews on MSN and one student was in one of the classrooms. He said the guy walked in, shot the teacher and then randomly started shooting while people took cover behind desks..about a minute. Then he and another guy ran to the door when he left and out their feet up against the door. He tried to come back in and started shooting through the door. He then left again and they tried to help the wounded. Incredible story.

[PureAuteur]

This doesn't make any sense to me. They reported that there were two separate shootings, 2 hours apart, but only 1 gunman! How do you have classes carrying on normally 2 hours after people had just been murdered on campus and the shooter had not been caught yet? They should have cancelled classes immediately and gotten the word out to everyone, which would have prevented the second massacre; very similar to what happened on 9/11, how one tower is hit, then a long time elapses before the other was hit, but nobody did anything to defend the airspace around the WTC area.

Also, how could this guy have lined people up and shot them execution style? How could he get them to comply with something like that? Wasn't the first shooting in a dorm and the second in an academic building? How could 33 people have been killed and only a few of them be students? There aren't very many people on a college campus other than students and teachers, and the teachers are not concentrated in one area, so how were there so many non-students killed?

[dgreco]

didn't see this anywhere...

BLACKSBURG, Va. - A gunman opened fire in a dorm and classroom at Virginia Tech on Monday, killing 35 people and wounding 29 in the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history. The gunman was killed, but it was unclear if he was shot by police or took his own life.

[DJ V Lawrence]

This doesn't make any sense to me. They reported that there were two separate shootings, 2 hours apart, but only 1 gunman! How do you have classes carrying on normally 2 hours after people had just been murdered on campus and the shooter had not been caught yet? They should have cancelled classes immediately and gotten the word out to everyone, which would have prevented the second massacre; very similar to what happened on 9/11, how one tower is hit, then a long time elapses before the other was hit, but nobody did anything to defend the airspace around the WTC area.

Also, how could this guy have lined people up and shot them execution style? How could he get them to comply with something like that? Wasn't the first shooting in a dorm and the second in an academic building? How could 33 people have been killed and only a few of them be students? There aren't very many people on a college campus other than students and teachers, and the teachers are not concentrated in one area, so how were there so many non-students killed?

I'm just as confused with everything you just said. I also heard that the shootings were 1/2 a mile apart. That dude must have planned that out.

[Trae]

Already a thread on this.

[Jeebus]

didn't see this anywhere...

That's because you didn't look hard enough: Original VA Tech Shooting Thread

[Subdude]

Duplicate topics merged

[dgreco]

That's because you didn't look hard enough: Original VA Tech Shooting Thread

im new to the forums, i don't know exactly where everything is under yet... no need to be rude.

[Trae]

There is a search feature at the top of the forums.

[pineda]

I just heard on one of the CNN/FOX/MSNBC channels that the gunman went into Norris Hall (the engineering building) and chained the doors shut from the inside, so the police couldn't get in and the students/faculty couldn't get out. Also, some of the students were injured when they leapt from the windows onto the pavement below, some sustaining massive injuries. I finally had to turn it all off and walk away and here I am now, typing about it, ARGH! I think I'll go read a book now.

[dgreco]

[Heights2Bastrop]

The bodies were still warm (literally) yesterday, and already the creeps from the Press and others were coming out from the woodwork questioning, suggesting and even accusing the police of negligence in yesterday

[RedScare]

The bodies were still warm (literally) yesterday, and already the creeps from the Press and others were coming out from the woodwork questioning, suggesting and even accusing the police of negligence in yesterday

[nativehou]

I, for one, have not turned on the TV yet. The headlines have told me all I need to know. I am not going to contribute to the problem by watching the parade of cops in bullet proof vests, ambulances wailing as they speed away, and "experts" that do not even address the real problem.

Amen. We all need to turn off the 24-hour news channels. Of course, we need to stay informed, but listening to hours of non-stop speculation and watching the same videos over and over is just crazy.

[northbeaumont]

When a tragic event like the Virginia Tech Masscre happens, you can't turn back the clock and undo it. It has always been said that everything in life happens for a reason, but we don't see or understand it at the time. All that we can do is to try to put a positive spin on what has happened.

I did that back when 9/11 happened. The positive spin that I placed on that event was that it controlled the population. The same thing could be said about what happened at Virginia Tech yesterday. Thomas Malthus, the Father of Demography, said that natural and manmade (like the one at Virginia Tech) disasters are necessary because the population increases not arithmetically but geometrically, and the food supply can't keep up with it. The United States now has over 300 million people.

[hokieone]

i agree completely - as sad as i am, there is a little bit of anger at the media that has come out. this just happened yesterday and by nightfall, the media was swarming in on the president of the school and reaming him for how the situation was handled. blacksburg is not prepared to handle anything like this - i doubt anywhere is, but blacksburg specifically has cops that are used to at worst breaking up frat parties and busting underage drinking. its just not a place that you would ever expect this. and i saw some asking why there aren't cameras in all the entrances to the building, controlled access, etc. - its just not even the right time to go that route.

i am proud of my school and especially proud of the students there. to a tee, the ones i saw stood by the town they love and expressed how much they enjoy being in school. a few questioned the handling of the situation, but on the whole, they are sad, shocked and are missing pieces of their extended family. i can't say i knew everyone at the school or even liked everyone there, but VT has this community that i very rarely see anywhere else - we always consider ourselves the Hokie nation. the usual parade of media talking heads that is there is trying to make the story about themselves and who has the "most exclusive" info or who has the most pointed questions, when right now it all doesn't matter. people are still in the hospital and young adults have been killed - this event has weighed heavily on my mind since yesterday and the only thing i've seen written in the media that made me feel like someone understands what it means to go to VT and then have this happen was a correspondent from msnbc that went to tech.

Not at my alma mater

[T 2 THA C]

This doesn't make any sense to me. They reported that there were two separate shootings, 2 hours apart, but only 1 gunman! How do you have classes carrying on normally 2 hours after people had just been murdered on campus and the shooter had not been caught yet? They should have cancelled classes immediately and gotten the word out to everyone, which would have prevented the second massacre; very similar to what happened on 9/11, how one tower is hit, then a long time elapses before the other was hit, but nobody did anything to defend the airspace around the WTC area.

Also, how could this guy have lined people up and shot them execution style? How could he get them to comply with something like that? Wasn't the first shooting in a dorm and the second in an academic building? How could 33 people have been killed and only a few of them be students? There aren't very many people on a college campus other than students and teachers, and the teachers are not concentrated in one area, so how were there so many non-students killed?

I think the school dropped the ball from the start. I think that they should have shut the school down after the first shooting and send the swat in every room in that school and search and ask questions. School security is a joke, when I went to high school anyone could walk in the school and do what ever they wanted.

These Colleges are constantly raising their tutions for pay raise, building improvements and what not? I think since they raise tutions anyways they could pay for security, not RENT A COPS, im talking about armed trained officers who can act on a situation like that fast, and other trained officers trained to escort students safely away from the inicident.

I know its easy to say, it that would be expensive, but how can you put a price on safety. My thoughts and prayes goes out to everyone from VT that have to live with this, and especially Family and friends of the lost ones?

[RedScare]

I think the school dropped the ball from the start. I think that they should have shut the school down after the first shooting and send the swat in every room in that school and search and ask questions. School security is a joke, when I went to high school anyone could walk in the school and do what ever they wanted.

These Colleges are constantly raising their tutions for pay raise, building improvements and what not? I think since they raise tutions anyways they could pay for security, not RENT A COPS, im talking about armed trained officers who can act on a situation like that fast, and other trained officers trained to escort students safely away from the inicident.

I know its easy to say, it that would be expensive, but how can you put a price on safety. My thoughts and prayes goes out to everyone from VT that have to live with this, and especially Family and friends of the lost ones?

I think your post is a typical knee-jerk, uninformed, unresearched and frankly, stupid reaction to yesterday's tragedy.

There are over 4,000 college campuses in the United States. Over 17 million students attend those colleges. There are millions more employed as professors, administrators and staff at those campuses. With the millions of people swarming these campuses, there are generally LESS THAN 20 MURDERS committed on college campuses per year. In the rest of the US, total murders exceed 15,000 per year. The murder rate on college campuses is 0.14 per 100,000, while it is 5.7 per 100,000 in the general population. In other words, you are 40 TIMES more likely to be murdered OFF-campus than ON-campus.

I believe the above facts entitle me to call your post ignorant and stupid. Quit taking isolated events and trying to turn them into trends.

[Vertigo58]

Not much to say except here's the link: VA Tech Mass-Murder

Here come the lawsuits, more sad days to follow.

[Guest danax]

When a tragic event like the Virginia Tech Masscre happens, you can't turn back the clock and undo it. It has always been said that everything in life happens for a reason, but we don't see or understand it at the time. All that we can do is to try to put a positive spin on what has happened.

I did that back when 9/11 happened. The positive spin that I placed on that event was that it controlled the population. The same thing could be said about what happened at Virginia Tech yesterday. Thomas Malthus, the Father of Demography, said that natural and manmade (like the one at Virginia Tech) disasters are necessary because the population increases not arithmetically but geometrically, and the food supply can't keep up with it. The United States now has over 300 million people.

Topic merged with Virginia Tech Massacre.

Saying 33 killed is helping the food supply is like saying having a leg amputated is good because lessens a person's weight and therefore helps their gas mileage.....

[Trae]

The killer already has a Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui

[dgreco]

The killer already has a Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui

follow that link to... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre

that is crazy the information and everything, some of the pictures are pretty wild (camera phone) and the students professor writeups are sad.

[marmer]

There is no way to inform a university community quickly. Before 9:00 am few people are checking e-mail, or listening to the radio, or surfing the campus web site. Most of them are either still asleep, eating breakfast, or in the car/bike/on foot to class. The university wasn't negligent. They were the victims of a carefully planned, deliberate assault from a student who took advantage of the campus's openness and who did not care about his own survival.

marmer

[T 2 THA C]

I think your post is a typical knee-jerk, uninformed, unresearched and frankly, stupid reaction to yesterday's tragedy.

There are over 4,000 college campuses in the United States. Over 17 million students attend those colleges. There are millions more employed as professors, administrators and staff at those campuses. With the millions of people swarming these campuses, there are generally LESS THAN 20 MURDERS committed on college campuses per year. In the rest of the US, total murders exceed 15,000 per year. The murder rate on college campuses is 0.14 per 100,000, while it is 5.7 per 100,000 in the general population. In other words, you are 40 TIMES more likely to be murdered OFF-campus than ON-campus.

I believe the above facts entitle me to call your post ignorant and stupid. Quit taking isolated events and trying to turn them into trends.

Ok, that is my opinion and you are entitled to yours as well, and when dose someones OPINION need be researched. If it is an isolated event then why dose history repeat its self.

What is to stop this from happening again, have you ever heard of copycats. Bottom line I still think security could be greatly improved. School security is a joke that is the most important fact!

[westguy]

There is no way to inform a university community quickly. Before 9:00 am few people are checking e-mail, or listening to the radio, or surfing the campus web site. Most of them are either still asleep, eating breakfast, or in the car/bike/on foot to class. The university wasn't negligent. They were the victims of a carefully planned, deliberate assault from a student who took advantage of the campus's openness and who did not care about his own survival.

marmer

The people who were murdered were in class, right? They would've left if classes had been cancelled. Two murders on campus sounds like a good reason to take action.