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Agreed, but in order for you to get MORE torque to the wheels and rev sky high you have to turn off the VDC while it is in R-mode, this is how their "Launch Control" works according to Edmunds. That is how they achieved those numbers. You see, with the VDC ON, you cannot get the power braking needed for launch, because the engine will power down. And before any of you can say, "Well Nissan should tell us that is how the numbers were achieved." Porsche didn't tell you, Ferrari didn't tell you, Chevy didn't tell you. However, Nissan cannot make it anymore clear that you are NOT to turn the VDC off for any other reason than that I have mentioned earlier, and if you choose to do so, it is at your own detriment. I would expect users of this forum to have a little more common sense, after all, you had the ability to find HAIF, so we are definately an above average crowd. So do not expect your transmission to be covered under the warranty for doing foolish things with it. This is not in any fineprint either, this also is the way a Porsche warranty works, a Ferrari warranty works, a Corvette warranty works, this is how your Kia Rio's warranty works also.

Where'd you stay ? Lahaina, Ki'hea, Four Seasons ? I ask because Maui is where my wife and I got married and honeymooned as well. Did you take the Road from HELL, I mean to HANA ?<--- I am getting carsick just thinking about it.

I never said that, in my experience, Texas ditch mud is hard for even a Monster Truck to get out of. I said earlier, you at least have a fighting chance with the VDC and AWD engaged for a short period.

The same someone who would think it is ok to not read the owner's manual after he signed a form instructing him to and drive continuously with the VDC off anyway, so he can do 0-60 at warp speed. But, Nissan made the system for those that may actually lose control of their car while driving normally or is forced off and skid off the road into some wet stuff.

I'm gonna do that, thanks sara.

I'll take that as a "No, I can't find anything by Nissan saying that." thanks meme. Why would the other guys lie and say that nobody can confirm it's been done away with for 2010 ? Again, show me something from Nissan, jm1 was able to, albeit they were the numbers from England, but that isn't what I asked, so I will concede that Nissan published a number in England of 3.5 sec. and it seems to be the only place they have for some strange reason. jm1, can you find another Nissan publication on that number, I'd like to see it, you seem to be a better surfer than me. jm1, the alternate would be that you are able to turn the VDC off in order to help get out of a place you are stuck (the only reason the switch is for, as told by Nissan) by applying more torque to the wheels for a short period of time and not for high RPM launches to impress your buddies. Simple as that. BTW, did you happen to see, MOTOR TREND CAR OF THE YEAR 2009 !!! Yeah, that GT-R is a real piece of crap.

This is why they make kennels. Unless it is a trusted neighbor or friend, I think you would be nuts to give your keys to someone that advertises to come in your home. I suggest no on a sitter and yes to a kennel. Wait a sec. How long are you gonna be gone ?

Are you gonna show us a published piece by Nissan calling it that, or are you pinning your argument on a third party blog.

If you show me ONE piece of published literature, I will even let you use the nissanusa.com website, from Nissan, calling it "launch control" I will concede the point.

You have Links of Nissan Published numbers ? Here meme, I found this article where Edmunds was actually using "real world" driving techniques, and not turning the VDC off apparently. http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/gtr/2009/testdrive.html ...and no meme, first, there is no confirmation that the VDC controls are being removed, and if there were a change, it would simply be a matter of taking away the ability of turning the VDC off.

That is just it meme, Nissan doesn't call it launch control. It is something the Edmunds people figured out. Nissan doesn't recommend using the transmission that way unless you are stuck. It is not a "feature" promoted by Nissan. Go read the Edmunds story again. It says it right in here. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...rticleId=124017

I only found this link, which apparently Nissan called these guys back and said there has absolutlely been NO DECISION regarding the launch control. Weird. UPDATE: Nissan just contacted us to say, "No final decision has been made about the inclusion of launch control on the MY2010 GT-R." So, for now at least, Inside Line's report is just speculation." Looks like Kelly has got some 'splaining to do. Wait! There is the link to her snippet in my link, good deal. It's all good, eye. http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/20/nissan-...from-2010-gt-r/

There are 3 seperate controls, it isn't just one button on the GT-R. Go read the online manual link I provided for you, and you can read all about how it actually works.

See, a couple of bad apples may have spoiled the whole bunch, such is life. The "reality"is some dumb schmuck admittedly abused his $80k sled and expected someone else to pay for his mess. Are you ready to admit that fact Skyeye ? If this is true, it looks like Nissan has to be babysitter for those of you that don't understand how to read your manuals or even have an idea that doing burnouts all day long in your car, regardless of make or price tag, MIGHT be bad for it. Which seems to be the problem here. So, those of you that actually know how to take proper care of a car are more than welcome to come purchase what will appear to be an even better deal, performance wise.

Just for the record, what do you think "Launch Control" is, exactly ?

How you gonna stand a chance to get out of the mud, when you are stranded in BFE without a cell signal ? Try not to misquote me though, would ya. If you would have read it correctly, you would be able to see it is NOT a feature of the car. Nowhere does it say you can drive the GT-R with the VDC off at all times. Typical hater.

Griff, there are Dual-clutches in the paddleshift automatic. If you turn the VDC off though, which is the case here, and drive it in manual shift mode like you are at Laguna Seca, well.... It is not a DSG, it is a 6-speed dual clutch transmission with 3 driver selectable modes. The VDC off switch is ONLY for getting the car out of mud or slushy snow when it is stuck. It is not engineered for using it to always have the extra torque to the wheels, and the Owner's manual explains it in about 4 different sections.

The problem is.....you never got started. Niche, If you are so smart as to know how NOT to treat Greyhound respectively, then you should know how NOT to treat the transmission on your GT-R, given you had enough sense to read your owner's manual like you were instructed to. Considering your offer Niche, looks like you need to be looking at the Versa instead, I don't know that it is possible for you to blow up the tranny on that one, so you would have no concerns. If you read the link I provided about the dumbass who claims to have the tranny problem, he ADMITS he knew he was driving it WRONG. Apparently he had the "clarity" to know that even before he decided to become John Force in his GT-R. Meme, there is nothing poorly made with these cars, just poor drivers, and poor saps that believe rumors on the internet. So far, I have only seen proof of one, ONE guy who blew a transmission, and he admits to doing it, because of his poor driving habits. End of story. So Jeebus, using your rationale, is the Corvette Z06 an overpirced Domestic, given all he youtube,Hot Rod, Motor Trend, forum hype over the years ?

I will bet dollars to doughnuts that they weren't driving to the local HEB or on the Loop takin' a Sunday drive to the coast doin\' 70mph in the middle lane, and the tranny blew up meme. The black box tells all. Look, if you broke your mom's crystal vase and she didn't see you, and you and the cat were the only ones in the room, who you gonna blame ? You'll blame the cat, until your mom shows you the video she had hiding in the bookshelf. Same principal applies with the black box, it tells EXACTLY what was going on when the tranny blew, and if Nissan said, "We ain't fixin' that Mario ." It is because they pulled the Data recorder memory and saw the engine stats when he was racing the thug-punk in the '05 Impala seconds before shutdown. I'm saying it is HIGHLY unlikely anyone lost a tranny the way they claimed, before the dealership pulled the real story, and asked the owner if he wanted to change hishe's. Meme, quit believing everything you read at the NAGTROC site. BTW, I found the entry where this whole B.S. started. The guy even admits to knowing he shouldn't be driving the way he was. Here it is: http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25361

Ummm, you don't do clutch dumps at 6k-8k RPM 20 times in a row, you don't even do it 5 times in a row. The heat that generates will cause something to break. How come you and meme can't seem to grasp that ? Look at it this way, there is no warranty from the factory on NASCARs or NHRA cars is there. If you wish to drive your street car as such, then expect to pay for that privledge, at your own risk. Keeping in mind that even NASCARs breakdown because of friction and heat, NHRA car's engines are broken down after EVERY run and parts replaced to try and insure no breakage on the next run, because of the heat and friction those cars generate. 10 to 20 clutch dumps at 6k-8k RPMs WILL destroy your car, and that is abuse. If you buy a greyhound as a pet and continuously make it run on a treadmill at 30 mph for 1 minute at a time with a 2 minute break in between intervals for 1 hr. Then the dog dies of a heartattack, you gonna try to take it back to the breeder under warranty ?

Unfortunately it DOES meme. This is page 14 from the porscheusa.com online warranty for a 911. I took the liberty of bolding the important part. Amazingly, this is almost EXACTLY how the GT-R warranty booklet reads. Hmmmm, imagine that ? "• Wheel balancing and wheel alignment beyond the first three months of service unless part of a warranty repair. • Unauthorized modifications or vehicles with total loss or salvage titles. • Modifications not authorized by Porsche Cars N.A. or it’s authorized dealers. • Service adjustments (such as idle speed, air/fuel mixture, brake, clutch, headlight, and drive belts) beyond the first three months of service unless part of a warranty repair. • Improper repairs by someone other than Porsche Cars N.A. or its au- thorized dealers. • Abuse, accident, acts of God, competition, racing or track use or other events. Note: Components and/or parts that fail during racing or driving events (including Porsche sponsored events) will not be covered by the new car limited warranty. • Minor wind noise and insignificant seepage at the joints be- tween the top and the body, or door windows in Cabriolet, hardtop or Targa models cannot be completely avoided under all circumstances. Your Cabriolet should not be washed in a car wash and may experience damage to the top or rear win- dow due to the scratching by the brushes or may experience leaks due to the high pressure water streams directed in areas which would not experience water in normal driving condi- tions. It is extremely important to have the cabriolet and soft top drains (including the body cowl drains) cleaned as part of yearly maintenance. Failure to do so may result in subsequent damage. Please see your authorized Porsche dealership for details con- cerning required maintenance. • The outside of the underbody (floor pan) or any other part of the car except body panels. • Paint damage caused by abuse or lack of proper maintenance. • Environmental damage (such as that caused by acid rain or other in- dustrial pollution, insect or bird droppings, tree sap, stones or other flying missiles, highway maintenance chemicals, flood, storm, and other forms of disaster.) • Paint color matching. (Porsche Cars N.A. reserves the right to decide whether painting the repaired or replaced panel to match the original finish is practicable. Porsche Cars N.A. will not, under any circum- stances, pay for painting the entire car solely for paint color match- ing.) • Paint damage caused by the application of unauthorized paint sealants or polymers. See your authorized Porsche automobile dealer for details. • Note: Your vehicle is a mechanical device. All mechanical de- vices make some sort of noise and/or vibration. These noises and vibrations can differ from vehicle to vehicle. Porsche Cars N.A. recognizes those noises as normal and characteristic of the product. Normal noises or vibrations as determined by Porsche Cars N.A. can be anything from brake squeal to road vibration. Therefore, normal noise and/or vibration and/or dete- rioration as determined by Porsche Cars N.A. or its representa- tive, is not covered by our new car limited warranty. Your Responsibility for Maintenance You must maintain your Porsche automobile according to the Maintenance Schedule in the Maintenance Booklet and the Car Care Instructions in"

..and you can, as long as you give it the proper break in period and stuff. These fools that claim that the transmission cratered on them, were shotgunning it, dumping the clutch at 8k rpm a couple of dozen times within a short period, with 200 miles on the car. a $400k Ferrari can't handle that kind of stress, and Ferrari ain't gonna cover that abuse either. Edmunds.com and Car and Driver, have found no fault with their trannies and Edmunds has 11,000 miles on theirs and did the proper break-in and always do the required maintenance. Bottomline though is that if you are gonna treat it like a race car the whole time, then you better go hire yourself a pitcrew to fix it. Ferrari and Porsche, and Chevy, all have the same disclaimer, if you are drag racing it, at all times, then you will void the warranty. Those "numbers" are simply to show what it is capable of, not a blueprint on how it should be driven at all times. The owner's manual specifically states that you should adhere to the traffic laws while driving their product, and doing 0-60 in 3.4 is called EXHIBITION OF POWER. That is against the law. If you take it out to Texas Motor SPeedway and drive 180 mph for 10 laps, you will VOID your warranty. That is why the black box is in place, to keep people honest about how they treat their cars.

Whew ! For a second there I thought the story was about Plaxico Burress.

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"Feed the World/ Let them know it's Chistmas Time" , sorry folks, I just can't stand it.