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It's only $8

 

That's exactly how they're selling it to you.  How much you wanna bet that they are understating the true cost?  Any takers?

 

 

The GRB cannot and will not host the types of events that will be able to be hosted by the Dome.  For starters, and immediately upon completion, it will be used by the OTC and the Rodeo.  That books it for probably 6 weeks a year without even trying.

 

But has the Reliant complex been losing business due to lack of a giant dome-like facility on the grounds?  Is the existing space insufficient, and they are just now figuring that out?  If a renovated Dome is such a swell idea, why are just now promoting it after 12-odd years of vacancy?  If this concept made a lick of sense do you not think some developer would have proposed it years ago? 

 

I'm not aware of a single case in which a sports stadium has been successfully re-purposed for other uses, and I've yet to hear of why this would be different.  It's simply throwing a lot of good money after bad for a County vanity project. 

 

If they were selling the proposal to strip the Dome down to its bones as sort of a giant park shelter I would have been 100% behind the idea.  But this is just an ill-thought out scam on taxpayers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1965-05 Astrodome by Mark Navarro, on Flickr

Could it be that the real plan is this...     Let it ripen for about two thousand years and we've got a major tourist attraction.

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But has the Reliant complex been losing business due to lack of a giant dome-like facility on the grounds? 

 

No, but yes. I live in a neighborhood that I can walk to Reliant. My impression is that Reliant wants to bring bigger concerts/festivals of the multiple stage variety, but have had to spill over into the "Green Lot" for now since it's the only other option they have where you won't melt event-goers' shoes.

 

Even at the final four events w/ band like Kings of Leon... Discovery Green served as a so-so place for the large outdoor concerts... but the park was bursting at the seams, parking/getting in and out was horrible, and the lawn was pretty much mud afterwards.

 

I'll say it again, but my belief is that officials think casino gambling is close to passing here in Texas. I think officials are trying to save the Dome that would make it usable for this purpose in the future (hence no indoor ski-slopes/stripping the thing down/etc. but just preserving the shell and making it a large indoor space). Ed Emmett has even said that the dome will be saved so that future "proposals" can be easily implemented when that day comes.

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If you think that this plan is an affront to the history or legacy of the dome, bulldozing it and turning it into just another parking lot is just about the biggest f/u anyone could ever do to it or to Houston. At least the structure and cool ceiling (see my avatar) is saved in all it's mid-century modern glory.

 

The dome must be saved. This plan may not be the best use for it, and $8 could very well turn into $9, but at least it saves the Astrodome for another day when someone might come up with a better use for it. This plan would include removing the seats and gutting the inside. By getting the bulk of the remodeling out of the way now for this plan (which might actually work - we won't know until we know), it might make a future use that no one has thought of yet easier for a developer to make lucrative.

 

Seems to me people are getting all caught up in the politics of how this current plan has come to fruition, but I don't see this as a political issue at all. It is strictly about saving Houston's only world recognizable landmark. I don't care who makes a profit or frankly even if it loses money. This is about civic pride and a one time chance to keep alive the most famous standing icon that makes Houston special. 

 

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I'm not aware of a single case in which a sports stadium has been successfully re-purposed for other uses, and I've yet to hear of why this would be different.  It's simply throwing a lot of good money after bad for a County vanity project. 

 

Just like there was not a singe case in which an enclosed air conditioned baseball/football stadium had ever been done, prior to the Astrodome.    Just because it's never been done, does not mean it cannot be done.

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But has the Reliant complex been losing business due to lack of a giant dome-like facility on the grounds?  Is the existing space insufficient, and they are just now figuring that out?  If a renovated Dome is such a swell idea, why are just now promoting it after 12-odd years of vacancy?  If this concept made a lick of sense do you not think some developer would have proposed it years ago? 

 

 

Losing buiness?   Perhaps not.   But it is a fact that the OTC is short on space and will use the Dome.  It is a fact that the Rodeo is short on space and will use the Dome.   Further, this will give us a facility unlike any other for enticing more major events.  It will make Reliant Park much more attractive for future Super Bowls and Final Fours and other such events.

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If they were selling the proposal to strip the Dome down to its bones as sort of a giant park shelter I would have been 100% behind the idea.  But this is just an ill-thought out scam on taxpayers.

 

I agree in preferring a use for the dome that would have respected its place in some people's hearts, but that would have reckoned with the mostly gaping hole in the city's fabric that it created even when it was an active sports stadium.

Houston has already enticed the Super Bowl.

I hope I'm not shrewishly anti-football, but tying the facility to hopes of being noticed again by the NFL seems well short of visionary. In any case, it seems possible that football is facing the sort of crisis baseball did in the nineties.

{No need to get indignant - no, I don't know anything about football, so just ignore the previous statement if it was outlandish.}

I thought the predominant sentiment amongst HAIF-ers was that Houston should focus on its residents, not on trying to lure out-of-towners and tourist dollars you have the great good fortune not to need.

No doubt some of you would enjoy attending a Really Major Sports Event once in a great while.  I understand that.

But as an ousider the one thing I have observed to unite the disparate voices on this forum is your shared approval for the Discovery Green, a place I found ... well, nevermind that. To each his own. The point is you really like it, and it can't help but prompt the thought that y'all are missing an opportunity to have a Discovery Green-type thing on a bigger scale, something that might please the most people, more of the time.

ETA: maybe it's the wrong place for it - I readily concede my ignorance there, and of course my built-in bias that there can be no wrong place for open space.

 

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Let's be honest with ourselves here.. The dome is getting demo'd.

 

I used to care about what would happen to the Astrodome but over the course of the last decade I've just lost faith in the Harris County public at large as represented by our elected officials and it's handling since the Astros left. I think nothing more of the engineering feat of the Astrodome now as I would the high art-deco interior detailing of the Houston Club bldg or the (about to be former) street window casements of the old Foley's.

 

The Astrodome reduced to a memory may be Houston's chance to reflect later on architecturally (like the downtown dome idea) as a much older city but for now let the nihilists have the day.

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I'll say it again, but my belief is that officials think casino gambling is close to passing here in Texas. I think officials are trying to save the Dome that would make it usable for this purpose in the future (hence no indoor ski-slopes/stripping the thing down/etc. but just preserving the shell and making it a large indoor space). Ed Emmett has even said that the dome will be saved so that future "proposals" can be easily implemented when that day comes.

 

I would be surprised if casino operators found that a vacant stadium was the optimal space for a casino.  For starters, casinos used closed ceilings to hold and hide the security and camera equipment, and they strongly prefer to have a hotel above or adjacent to keep the punters on the grounds. 

 

 

Just like there was not a singe case in which an enclosed air conditioned baseball/football stadium had ever been done, prior to the Astrodome.    Just because it's never been done, does not mean it cannot be done.

 

Perhaps not that it cannot be done, but that it has never once made any economic sense to do so. 

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Perhaps not that it cannot be done, but that it has never once made any economic sense to do so. 

 

You mean, has never made any economic sense to do so YET.

 

The Astrodome has a successful history of changing the rules of the game. Even the very idea for its creation probably didn't make a lot of sense to everyone at the time it was built either. It was an economic risk then. It is an economic risk now. You never get anywhere in life if you don't take a risk every once in a while.

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Perhaps not that it cannot be done, but that it has never once made any economic sense to do so. 

 

Of course you are completely ignoring  the fact that there has never once been another facility quite like the Astrodome.  It's just a tad different from repurposing Texas Stadium or Mile High Stadium or Yankee Stadium.

 

(And you are also completely ignoring the successful repurposing of Compaq Center just up the road.)

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You mean, has never made any economic sense to do so YET.

 

The Astrodome has a successful history of changing the rules of the game. Even the very idea for its creation probably didn't make a lot of sense to everyone at the time it was built either. It was an economic risk then. It is an economic risk now. You never get anywhere in life if you don't take a risk every once in a while.

 

That's exactly right.  I'm quite sure there were plenty of Subdudes around town in the early 60s proclaiming that we should not build the Astrodome because they were not aware of anyone ever having built an enclosed air conditioned baseball stadium and that it had never once made economic sense to do so.

 

Thank goodness the Subdudes of the 60s did not carry the day.

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Are you drunk?

Is it necessary for you to demonstrate your impotence in convincing anyone on this matter and therefore must resort to accusations against my judgement? Not a good look and it creates more divisiveness against the issue you support (politics 101).

This election is on 11/05/2013 and who votes in off year elections? Old people. Maybe former Judge Echols can actually rally the old-timers to vote for it but from everyone I know that lives out in the county, they are against it. In my experience it easier to convince old people to be against something than to be for something (just the times we live in). Rodeo people and Texans fans seem to against it from my informal polling. Who's for it? people who love architecture, people who don't see or don't mind the increase in property taxes, people who love the idea of Houston's modern past, young people (who notoriously don't show up to vote), etc. I'd optimistically guess the dome's odds of survival are roughly 1 in 10. Even if it does survive, this plan is pretty expensive for what we're getting, and very hard to determine whether it will be a success or just another example of a decades long pattern of local gov't boondoggles. Even people who love architecture on this very forum have gotten the "give-a-crap" beaten out of them over the last decade by the shifting quicksands that is our elected reps decision making process.

It's too bad that even if the Dome gets demo'd the taxpayers still have to cover that cost and the bundled debt of the 1986 renovations. Personally, I'd prefer door number#3, do nothing and just maintain. It was obvious that with hostile existing tenants that no private redevelopment was going to occur. If we wait we can force them to renegotiate their contracts, perhaps even punitively against their former actions. The People would then have the opportunity to be able to force the Texans and the Rodeo to accommodate their desire towards redeveloping the dome through a private developer or if that fails then to hold an open and public international design competition with at least one year's time frame to hold the contest. The issue has always been about accountability and transparency in the process, which we do not have on a county level of governance here in Texas.

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. Even if it does survive, this plan is pretty expensive for what we're getting,

 

How so?  For an investment of approximately $195 Million (in fairness, less than that, because if we don't do this project we still have to either continue to spend a couple million per year to maintain it or spend tens of millions to demolish it, but let's just go with the $195 Million figure), we get a 355,000 square foot multi-purpose convention/trade show/sports/gathering space facility unlike any other in the world.

 

For comparison:

 

--Nashville recently spent $623 Million to build the 350,000 square foot Music City Center, which is a relatively run-of-the mill convention center.

 

--Oklahoma City is working on a new convention center (again, a relatively run-of-the-mill facility, on which they plan to spend $250 Million for around 250,000 square feet of exhibit  and meeting space.

 

-- 5 years ago, Raleigh NC spent $221 Million on a run-of-the-mill convention center with approximately 190,000 square feet of exhibit and meeting space.

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The dome will be toast, and rightly so given the poor option the county is attempting to cram down our throats with its craven tactics. We'll have to schedule our next HAIF Happy Hour for the friday after the election. I'll gladly stand a drink to any HAIFer who wants to wager the dome lives.

 

The most ridic idea yet is that we should pay for this because of possible future casino gambling. What, so we can maybe in the future give Tillman Fertitta another incentive? The vote is not merely to rehab the dome. It is for a  potentially endless succession of taxpayer-funded handouts to future tenants....after the initial costs. This is what you will be voting for, not 'just' $8.  Hell, if the point is mass- commerical enterprise, we could turn it into a flea market today for a lot less than $200M. Traders Village is so inconvenient to get to, after all.

Or how about the awesome  comparison to 'repurposing'  the Compaq Center. How well, exactly, did we  make out on that sweetheart deal to Lakewood after all the sunk costs?

 

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How so?  For an investment of approximately $195 Million (in fairness, less than that, because if we don't do this project we still have to either continue to spend a couple million per year to maintain it or spend tens of millions to demolish it, but let's just go with the $195 Million figure), we get a 355,000 square foot multi-purpose convention/trade show/sports/gathering space facility unlike any other in the world.

 

For comparison:

 

--Nashville recently spent $623 Million to build the 350,000 square foot Music City Center, which is a relatively run-of-the mill convention center.

 

--Oklahoma City is working on a new convention center (again, a relatively run-of-the-mill facility, on which they plan to spend $250 Million for around 250,000 square feet of exhibit  and meeting space.

 

-- 5 years ago, Raleigh NC spent $221 Million on a run-of-the-mill convention center with approximately 190,000 square feet of exhibit and meeting space.

The Nashville comparison is not worth getting into, but I trust you do a lot of conventions, but to me that's a really nice convention center in terms of design. It's obviously 3x the value and it looks like the land acquisition was pretty long process; together that puts it out of this half-pasteurized Dome proposal's league. Also this article says it's was $585 million and goes into some detail about it's unconventional take on the convention center job. 

 

For OKC I can't really talk about something that's not completed yet nor do we know the form/site/etc.

 

The Raleigh convention center was new site acquistion as well and it's largest span is nothing like that of the Dome's existing, not to mention it's a your basic warehouse structurally so all the money went towards finishes. Nice exterior and street face, but nothing like Po Boyin' the Dome. 

 

The Dome proposal looks like a "just do what we need to do to get paid and eventually we'll get a CO." job job. This looks like a hot mess they're gonna buzz saw headfirst into at that cost estimate; it should be 3x as much and include people movers, exterior escalators, etc. Good luck but I sincerely hope no one gets hurt on this project but it looks dangerous and I really am on your side in that I care about what happens to the Dome but a Home Cheapo re-muddle is not something anyone had in mind. Are we looking at the same renderings? The demo of the exterior stair wells could very well in up in extensive repair work on the facade. In fact the whole facade exercise is the worst sort of gloss over the big interior issues. I just don't understand how it can only be $150 million when it looks like in order to do a good job it will go way over that amount. A new convention space can be developed on site at some future time and not be locked into designing around the Dome's master plan configuration.

 

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The Nashville comparison is not worth getting into, but I trust you do a lot of conventions, but to me that's a really nice convention center in terms of design. It's obviously 3x the value and it looks like the land acquisition was pretty long process; together that puts it out of this half-pasteurized Dome proposal's league. Also this article says it's was $585 million and goes into some detail about it's unconventional take on the convention center job. 

 

For OKC I can't really talk about something that's not completed yet nor do we know the form/site/etc.

 

The Raleigh convention center was new site acquistion as well and it's largest span is nothing like that of the Dome's existing, not to mention it's a your basic warehouse structurally so all the money went towards finishes. Nice exterior and street face, but nothing like Po Boyin' the Dome. 

 

The Dome proposal looks like a "just do what we need to do to get paid and eventually we'll get a CO." job job. This looks like a hot mess they're gonna buzz saw headfirst into at that cost estimate; it should be 3x as much and include people movers, exterior escalators, etc. Good luck but I sincerely hope no one gets hurt on this project but it looks dangerous and I really am on your side in that I care about what happens to the Dome but a Home Cheapo re-muddle is not something anyone had in mind. Are we looking at the same renderings? The demo of the exterior stair wells could very well in up in extensive repair work on the facade. In fact the whole facade exercise is the worst sort of gloss over the big interior issues. I just don't understand how it can only be $150 million when it looks like in order to do a good job it will go way over that amount. A new convention space can be developed on site at some future time and not be locked into designing around the Dome's master plan configuration.

 

If the Nashville comparison is not worth getting into, why did you proceed to get into it?  In any event, thanks for reinforcing my argument that they paid almost three times the price for roughly the same amount of exhibit space (without anything close to the flexibility).  And ours is in an already world-renowned architectural marvel.  Theirs is in a new building that will be dated in 20 years.  Not in the dome's league?  You are out of your mind.

 

Likewise with your statement about the Raleigh convention center.   Thanks for clarifying that despite paying more 5 years ago than we project to pay now, they ended up with a span "nothing like that of the Dome's existing" and got themselves a basic warehouse structure.

 

Your statement that we are not getting much for our money could not be more wrong.

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The dome will be toast, and rightly so given the poor option the county is attempting to cram down our throats with its craven tactics. We'll have to schedule our next HAIF Happy Hour for the friday after the election. I'll gladly stand a drink to any HAIFer who wants to wager the dome lives.

 

The most ridic idea yet is that we should pay for this because of possible future casino gambling. What, so we can maybe in the future give Tillman Fertitta another incentive? The vote is not merely to rehab the dome. It is for a  potentially endless succession of taxpayer-funded handouts to future tenants....after the initial costs. This is what you will be voting for, not 'just' $8.  Hell, if the point is mass- commerical enterprise, we could turn it into a flea market today for a lot less than $200M. Traders Village is so inconvenient to get to, after all.

Or how about the awesome  comparison to 'repurposing'  the Compaq Center. How well, exactly, did we  make out on that sweetheart deal to Lakewood after all the sunk costs?

 

Focus, dude.  Try to focus on the actual proposal rather than your fevered conspiracy theories.

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@ crunch,

 

I advise that you start saving your spare change for the HAIF Happy Hour.

 

Doing a very quick google search, I am encouraged by the fact that there are several organizations and efforts (some with some actual money behind them) to save the dome.

 

http://savetheastrodome.org/

 

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-Our-Astrodome/174998855918304

 

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/23428154/preservation-groups-pac-working-to-save-astrodome

 

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-the-Astrodome/304728382987294

 

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/astrodome/

 

http://www.preservationnation.org/issues/11-most-endangered/locations/astrodome.html

 

http://savingplaces.org/treasures/astrodome

 

http://www.judgeemmett.org/news_release.asp?p=7&intRelease_ID=7302&intAcc_ID=66

 

http://app1.kuhf.org/articles/1319063809-Survey-Shows-People-Still-Partial-To-The-Astrodome.html

 

I couldn't find any organizations working to get it demolished.

 

A reminder to all the political soothsayers out there. A week before the November 2012 elections, Fox News predicted that Mitt Romney was going to win in a landslide. How'd that work out? 

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The dome will be toast, and rightly so given the poor option the county is attempting to cram down our throats with its craven tactics. We'll have to schedule our next HAIF Happy Hour for the friday after the election. I'll gladly stand a drink to any HAIFer who wants to wager the dome lives.

 

The most ridic idea yet is that we should pay for this because of possible future casino gambling. What, so we can maybe in the future give Tillman Fertitta another incentive? The vote is not merely to rehab the dome. It is for a  potentially endless succession of taxpayer-funded handouts to future tenants....after the initial costs. This is what you will be voting for, not 'just' $8.  Hell, if the point is mass- commerical enterprise, we could turn it into a flea market today for a lot less than $200M. Traders Village is so inconvenient to get to, after all.

Or how about the awesome  comparison to 'repurposing'  the Compaq Center. How well, exactly, did we  make out on that sweetheart deal to Lakewood after all the sunk costs?

 

You're on! I'll bet you real money - $100. Can't wait to drink a few rounds on you! 

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If the Nashville comparison is not worth getting into, why did you proceed to get into it?  In any event, thanks for reinforcing my argument that they paid almost three times the price for roughly the same amount of exhibit space (without anything close to the flexibility).  And ours is in an already world-renowned architectural marvel.  Theirs is in a new building that will be dated in 20 years.  Not in the dome's league?  You are out of your mind.

 

Likewise with your statement about the Raleigh convention center.   Thanks for clarifying that despite paying more 5 years ago than we project to pay now, they ended up with a span "nothing like that of the Dome's existing" and got themselves a basic warehouse structure.

 

Your statement that we are not getting much for our money could not be more wrong.

The Nashville comparison is just too apples vs oranges; I thought you'd get to the point that they may have a dated building in 20 years but it will still be a unique, "run-of-the-mill" work of architecture (i.e. expensive engineering on an expensive piece of dirt). None of your examples were of an existing, modular design that was renovated to today's standards. The Dome is from 1965 and has a high-modern internationalist exterior if not an outright brutalist one these days. I live in building also built in 1965, spalling is a deadly serious remediation issue from a structural as well as liability point of view. Restorative concrete work is not cheap in any sense, especially if it's structural. This all before we even consider the varying costs of high performance coatings (interior as well) which you know means that the amount of surface amount to be covered is quite a vast number yielding either an inferior specification or a massive budgetary item.

 

Just as building the Astrodome was a historic engineering feat, restoring it will be just as complicated a feat, but in that sense I hope I'm wrong too. I do hope we're getting the insanely good deal you say we're getting. Is this too good a deal to be true? 

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The Nashville comparison is just too apples vs oranges; I thought you'd get to the point that they may have a dated building in 20 years but it will still be a unique, "run-of-the-mill" work of architecture (i.e. expensive engineering on an expensive piece of dirt). None of your examples were of an existing, modular design that was renovated to today's standards. The Dome is from 1965 and has a high-modern internationalist exterior if not an outright brutalist one these days. I live in building also built in 1965, spalling is a deadly serious remediation issue from a structural as well as liability point of view. Restorative concrete work is not cheap in any sense, especially if it's structural. This all before we even consider the varying costs of high performance coatings (interior as well) which you know means that the amount of surface amount to be covered is quite a vast number yielding either an inferior specification or a massive budgetary item.

 

Just as building the Astrodome was a historic engineering feat, restoring it will be just as complicated a feat, but in that sense I hope I'm wrong too. I do hope we're getting the insanely good deal you say we're getting. Is this too good a deal to be true? 

 

So which is it?  Is this plan "pretty expensive for what we are getting" (as you claimed in post # 263) or are we getting so much for our money that it's too good to be true as you now suggest?  You seem very confused as to what your position is.

 

You seem to be intentionally missing the point of the comparison with the other convention center/exhibit halls posted.  There is nothing apples/oranges about the comparisons.  In each case, a public entity is spending money to create exhibition halls.  We are proposing to do so for a fraction of the price per square foot that other communities are spending/have spent.

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GOOD NEWS! Polls show that most people favor saving the dome.

 

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/houston/article/Polls-suggest-voters-have-minds-made-up-on-Dome-4841020.php

 

VOTE YES! SAVE THE DOME!

Actually, it shows it's very close. Another polling company finds it's even.

 

"Another poll, conducted for the campaign working to drum up support for the dome project, shows a tie: 43 percent in favor and 43 percent opposed, with the rest undecided. The group's poll surveyed 500 likely county voters and has a 4.5 percentage point margin of error."

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It wouldn't be surprising to have support.  Although I personally think this is a massive boondoggle, people rarely vote down spending bills. 

 

Btw, in the renderings posted doesn't the interior with the theoretical activies going on look a good bit smaller than the Dome is in reality? 

 

 

 

 

 

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As someone who wants to see that building preserved more than any other building in the world, I'm just happy that the first polls show that it has a good chance at surviving. I really wasn't sure which direction popular opinion was leaning. It's too close for comfort. But it's still very encouraging.

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The dome will be toast, and rightly so given the poor option the county is attempting to cram down our throats with its craven tactics. We'll have to schedule our next HAIF Happy Hour for the friday after the election. I'll gladly stand a drink to any HAIFer who wants to wager the dome lives.

 

 

 

You're on! I'll bet you real money - $100. Can't wait to drink a few rounds on you! 

 

So, crunchtastic, what say you?!! Are we on? I'll up my bet to $200. 

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I went to presentation yesterday and can pretty much say that the price tag is accurate but the scope shown in the renderings is not 100%. There is an ongoing push for contingency monies however the forensic engineers reported that the rigid framed steel is still in good shape. This is more so a stripped down preservation project than a full blown renovation project, hence the price.

There was also mention of potential future private investment within the Reliant masterplan but that would not be considered till after the preservation job is done in 2017.

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I went to presentation yesterday and can pretty much say that the price tag is accurate but the scope shown in the renderings is not 100%. There is an ongoing push for contingency monies however the forensic engineers reported that the rigid framed steel is still in good shape. This is more so a stripped down preservation project than a full blown renovation project, hence the price.

There was also mention of potential future private investment within the Reliant masterplan but that would not be considered till after the preservation job is done in 2017.

 

Not sure what you mean by the scope shown in the renderings not being accurate.

 

To clarify regarding the potential future private investment, they have said this all along.  This is a fairly bare-bones renovation (on the inside) that makes the Astrodome usable and maintains/preserves the structure so that, should someone come along in the future with both a great plan and financing to put something like a hotel or amusement park or museum etc etc in the Dome structure, it would be possible.  If there were private investors with both money and a viable plan, they would be considered now, next year, or any time they show up.  They won't have to wait until after preservation job is done to have their plans considered.

 

(I went to a presentation yesterday too, probably the same one you did.)

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Not sure what you mean by the scope shown in the renderings not being accurate.

To clarify regarding the potential future private investment, they have said this all along. This is a fairly bare-bones renovation (on the inside) that makes the Astrodome usable and maintains/preserves the structure so that, should someone come along in the future with both a great plan and financing to put something like a hotel or amusement park or museum etc etc in the Dome structure, it would be possible. If there were private investors with both money and a viable plan, they would be considered now, next year, or any time they show up. They won't have to wait until after preservation job is done to have their plans considered.

(I went to a presentation yesterday too, probably the same one you did.)

So the event center portrayed in the video is not what it will be after the renovations?

Are you saying it will be basic renovations to simply get it ready for a potential investor and sit useless and empty until that happens?

I think most people think it will become that event center and be ready for someone to reserve and use it for an event. I know some of the events portrayed are not guaranteed, but please don't tell me they'll need to wait for investors to finish building it out for a totally different use.

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So the event center portrayed in the video is not what it will be after the renovations?

Are you saying it will be basic renovations to simply get it ready for a potential investor and sit useless and empty until that happens?

I think most people think it will become that event center and be ready for someone to reserve and use it for an event. I know some of the events portrayed are not guaranteed, but please don't tell me they'll need to wait for investors to finish building it out for a totally different use.

 

On the contrary.  The event center portrayed in the video is exactly what it will be after the renovations.    As I said in my prior post, this renovation will make the Astrodome usable AND preserves the structure.  IF (and it is one huge if) at some point in the future, some private investor comes along with a viable plan and money, then we will still have the structure available to discuss their plans.  There is not much reason to expect that to ever happen.  This renovation (the one we are voting on in November) will make the Dome usable as an event center as portrayed in the video. 

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I've long thought the best re-use of this project would be to sell it to the Texas Medical Center (or even just lease it) and turn it into a Bio-Medical research center with interior parkscape and even maybe build an adjoining hotel?

 

Think of all the construction happening right now in the TMC.  Now, imagine somwhere else there is a building capable of housing ~1 million or so square feet of office/research space.  Yes much work would need to be done, and many elements of the dome would change, but talk about a meaningful repurposing.

 

 

Something tells me the county already has plans in place to tear the dome down and leave that space as a park or parking, and eventual plans (long range) have a new stadium being built on that exact spot when Reliant is ~30-40 years old.

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Since there isn't any obviously apparent economical use, I still think the best proposal was the idea to strip it to its frame and leave the ground as a park.  I would definitely vote for that over the current "New Dome Experience" proposal.  It's been done before:

 

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