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Morehouse U, a predominantly black university with the stated mission of producing well educated black men who are capable of being leaders is turning out its first white valedictorian.

The article ( here ) has some rather offensive, though thinly veiled, remarks in it from students and faculty. For example, one student saying that he didn't like the fact that this kid was white and wished he had gone somewhere else. Even worse was this comment from the Dean of Admissions "When he marches across the stage on May 18 and receives his diploma, he's going to be a Morehouse Man in every way -- except ethnicity." Really?

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Will wonders NEVER cease ? I bet the NAACP, and The UNCF are all up in arms.

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Morehouse U, a predominantly black university with the stated mission of producing well educated black men who are capable of being leaders is turning out its first white valedictorian.

The article ( here ) has some rather offensive, though thinly veiled, remarks in it from students and faculty. For example, one student saying that he didn't like the fact that this kid was white and wished he had gone somewhere else. Even worse was this comment from the Dean of Admissions "When he marches across the stage on May 18 and receives his diploma, he's going to be a Morehouse Man in every way -- except ethnicity." Really?

I couldn't believe the quote from the student about how "he didn't like him being there, and didn't like him dating black women"....what is that kid thinking??? I was expecting a feel good piece about the triumph of character and friendship over racial differences, but most of that article made me kind of ill....

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The real problem is the kid is going to work for Goldman Sachs.

I am sure he was courted by EVERY Fortune 100 company in his field of study.

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Don't start blowing things out of perspective.

...

Still, the majority of students told CNN that he earned his accolades and they stand behind him.
"One guy came up to me and told me -- he didn't like the fact that I was here," recalls Packwood. "He absolutely didn't like the fact that I dated black women."

"So I heard him out, and said, 'I appreciate your opinion but don't agree with what you have to say,'...and now we've become, not necessarily close, but very cool," Packwood says.

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Don't start blowing things out of perspective.

...

yeah, I am sure they hang out all the time and go on double dates!!!

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yeah, I am sure they hang out all the time and go on double dates!!!

That was one man's opinion. It doesn't say if his opinion changed, but obviously he wasn't totally against him.

He went to an all black college. He had friends there. He did hang out with blacks all the time and probably went on some double dates. I wouldn't jump to conclusions just because of one or two quotes that represent individuals.

I'm not saying you are, but the rest of the article didn't upset me. The bad side didn't surprise me. Overall, it seemed like they received him well.

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That was one man's opinion. It doesn't say if his opinion changed, but obviously he wasn't totally against him.

He went to an all black college. He had friends there. He did hang out with blacks all the time and probably went on some double dates. I wouldn't jump to conclusions just because of one or two quotes that represent individuals.

I'm not saying you are, but the rest of the article didn't upset me. The bad side didn't surprise me. Overall, it seemed like they received him well.

Maybe it was the article that made it seem like there was more conflict than there actually was just to stir it up, but it seemed to me like there was an undercurrent of racial tension during his stay there...which doesn't sit well with me. Maybe it was all rainbows and sunshine and the person who wrote the article had to go out of his/her way to find someone upset about his presence there, but I didn't get that impression.

Edit:: just remembered the part about how he earned the right to be validictorian, but that they didn't like it and it means they need to work harder, just a whole us v them mentality that I find distasteful.

Double Edit because I can't type...

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...it seemed to me like there was an undercurrent of racial tension during his stay there...which doesn't sit well with me.

You mean, kinda like this post....and this entire thread? I don't suppose it has occurred to anyone (except for lockmat) that the whole point of stereotyping is that ascribing the views of one or two people to the entire group is misleading and wrong. The comments on this thread condemning all Morehouse students for the views of a couple is more than just a little bit of "pot calling the kettle black". (pun intended)

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I didn't see ANYTHING in the article that would upset me. Do you white people really get offended by a racist remarks aimed toward you?

I didn't see where they were calling it a great accomplishment for white people either. I also EXPECTED some students to be less than thrilled that a whiteman was going to be head of the class and get to have his say so in front of the whole graduating class. That should be interesting at the actual commencement. There has to be a firstime for everything, I am sure it will be quite sometime before this will happen again. It will all be forgotten in a couple of weeks.

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Color of skin should NEVER matter. I hate anything racist... whether it's white on black, black on white, brown on black... anything. If we don't treat others differently based on the color of their hair then we would we do it based on skin color... what's the difference?? One other thing I can't stand are those who make themselves out to be fighters of racism when they themselves are racist b/c they only care about their own race... I'm looking at you Jesse Jackson and Quanell X! <_<

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I didn't see ANYTHING in the article that would upset me. Do you white people really get offended by a racist remarks aimed toward you?

I didn't see where they were calling it a great accomplishment for white people either. I also EXPECTED some students to be less than thrilled that a whiteman was going to be head of the class and get to have his say so in front of the whole graduating class. That should be interesting at the actual commencement. There has to be a firstime for everything, I am sure it will be quite sometime before this will happen again. It will all be forgotten in a couple of weeks.

Wow, I really expected more from you.

I would ask you to take the article, and reverse all roles. A Black student is the valedictorian at a white college, the faculty and student comments were made by white people. Tell me, if that had been the case, this article wouldn't have been met with a Million-Al-March.

There was so much latent hostility toward him in the comments from the students and the faculty. "a Morehouse man in every way--except ethnicity". That is disgusting. The comments by the other students saying that they didn't want him there and that they would have to work harder now were disgusting.

And why shouldn't white people get pissy if a racist comment is spit at them? If a joke is made about blacks by a white man, Al Sharpton raises an army. I really do not understand this double standard. I could give to squirts about a racist comment made to me. If someone doesn't like me, that is their business. If they don't like me because of my skin color, I have no desire to even know them.

This article though, SHOULD have been about how the class of 2008 proved that skin color means nothing and that society has progressed so much that it is about the content of a man's character and not the color of his skin. Instead, it showed the exact opposite. Dr. King would have been appauled.

You mean, kinda like this post....and this entire thread? I don't suppose it has occurred to anyone (except for lockmat) that the whole point of stereotyping is that ascribing the views of one or two people to the entire group is misleading and wrong. The comments on this thread condemning all Morehouse students for the views of a couple is more than just a little bit of "pot calling the kettle black". (pun intended)

I would contend that stereotypes, as a whole, exist for a reason. It doesn't mean that ALL members of a group are accurately portrayed by the stereotype, but certainly a large percentage. It is politically incorrect to think this, but political correctness is for those who choose to stick their head in the sand.

I prefer to be realistic, and I can do so without being racist, sexist, or any other type of *******.

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I prefer to be realistic, and I can do so without being racist, sexist, or any other type of *******.

Lucky you!

How did you attain this exemption? The rest of us grew up in America.

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I would ask you to take the article, and reverse all roles. A Black student is the valedictorian at a white college, the faculty and student comments were made by white people. Tell me, if that had been the case, this article wouldn't have been met with a Million-Al-March.

Aren't you usually opposed to that sort of reaction?

And why shouldn't white people get pissy if a racist comment is spit at them?

Pick one of these:

  1. Because getting pissy probably won't help?
  2. Because white people weren't enslaved by black people in this country for 400 years?

If a joke is made about blacks by a white man, Al Sharpton raises an army. I really do not understand this double standard.

It isn't a double standard. That's just the way Al Sharpton behaves.

I would contend that stereotypes, as a whole, exist for a reason. It doesn't mean that ALL members of a group are accurately portrayed by the stereotype, but certainly a large percentage. It is politically incorrect to think this, but political correctness is for those who choose to stick their head in the sand.

We agree that stereotypes exist for a reason, but often it's just a mental shortcut. It's quicker (and often more evolutionarily advantageous) for human brains to create stereotypes than it is to learn the details about individual situations, objects or people. Sometimes they are reasonably accurate prediction tools, but sometimes not, and there's no easy test for determining that.

I prefer to be realistic, and I can do so without being racist, sexist, or any other type of *******.

Well, good for you!

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Because white people weren't enslaved by black people in this country for 400 years?

Were you or any black citizens alive today enslaved?

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Wow, I really expected more from you.

Sorry to disappoint you wilson, hope you got the PM. I think this Valedictorian has a political agenda hidden, and being the top dog of an all black college when you are running for office might guarantee him a few votes from the Democrat side.

Were you or any black citizens alive today enslaved?

C'mon stresident, you can't throw that out there, it destroys the whole argument. Some of the black student body have to be the victims or the story has no merit ! You should know better. ;)

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Morehouse U, a predominantly black university with the stated mission of producing well educated black men who are capable of being leaders is turning out its first white valedictorian.

The article ( here ) has some rather offensive, though thinly veiled, remarks in it from students and faculty. For example, one student saying that he didn't like the fact that this kid was white and wished he had gone somewhere else. Even worse was this comment from the Dean of Admissions "When he marches across the stage on May 18 and receives his diploma, he's going to be a Morehouse Man in every way -- except ethnicity." Really?

I've been discussing this with several black friends and they (and me) don't see what the big fuss is about.

I graduated from a HBCU and we had a students body comprised of all races and ethnicities. It wouldn't have surprised me if the valedictorian or anyone else was not black.

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Were you or any black citizens alive today enslaved?

I wasn't. It's possible that some black citizens were, but they probably weren't enslaved in this country. Why do you ask? Did I miss the official erasure of our history of racial injustice?

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The thing that gets me is that if the student was black and the student body was white, Al Sharpton and his ilk would be standing with torches outside the gates within hours.

To be perfectly frank, I think the very people whom MLK was trying to lift up is spitting on his "Dream" speech. We might as well strike that speech from all form of texts since it is doubtful it will be followed.

If you don't know what passage I'm referring to, then I have proven my point and shame on you.

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I wasn't. It's possible that some black citizens were, but they probably weren't enslaved in this country. Why do you ask? Did I miss the official erasure of our history of racial injustice?

Who exactly is the victim here and what is the injustice?

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Personally, I am wondering what took so long. HBCUs are great bargains in education for everyone. Have you ever been to a Texas Southern University graduation? It's a rainbow of people (awesome!) who found that a great educations (regardless of administration issues) can be found outside of traditional universities.

My reply when I hear "the valedictorian was --insert whatever here--" is What took so long?

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You know, when I read the article, these are the parts that jumped out at me...

Packwood fit in immediately at Morehouse. His charm, movie-star good looks and chiseled physique made him popular among students. He was elected dorm president and to class council during freshmen year - and was a favorite at campus fashion shows.
"Mr. Packwood is deserving. He has earned this," says Dr. Robert Franklin, the president of Morehouse. "We are committed to merit, to hard work - no matter who it might be."
For the most part, Packwood says the experience among his Morehouse brethren has been overwhelmingly good

But, some chose to see this...

- with the exception of a few negative comments.

I wonder which parts Mr. Packwood sees first.

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You mean, kinda like this post....and this entire thread? I don't suppose it has occurred to anyone (except for lockmat) that the whole point of stereotyping is that ascribing the views of one or two people to the entire group is misleading and wrong. The comments on this thread condemning all Morehouse students for the views of a couple is more than just a little bit of "pot calling the kettle black". (pun intended)

Please show me where I condemned the student body at Morehouse? Please tell me where I stereotyped anyone? Please don't tell me that being offended by someone's racist comments makes me racist. I never said that all students at Morehouse were offended by his presence, but the article makes it clear that some were, which offends me.

Sure the article mentioned some general platitudes about how accepted he was...some dorm position and he walked in fashion shows (wow!!), then they list very specific quotes and instances where he was disdained because of his race. Also, if anyone can point out the "Remember the Titans" moment in the article where someone talks about how race doesn't matter and it is all about character....the last quote is "except ethnicity". Hey maybe I focused on the wrong things, but they are there. I can see that you are trying to find the good in the article, and that's fine too.

Edit::poor typing skills...

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I wonder which parts Mr. Packwood sees first.

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I saw this first on his facebook profile. . . .woof! (that's means a good thing btw) :wub:

What are we talking about here . . . I was distracted. :P

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Please show me where I condemned the student body at Morehouse? Please tell me where I stereotyped anyone? Please don't tell me that being offended by someone's racist comments makes me racist. I never said that all students at Morehouse were offended by his presence, but the article makes it clear that some were, which offends me.

Sure the article mentioned some general platitudes about how accepted he was...some dorm position and he walked in fashion shows (wow!!), then they list very specific quotes and instances where he was disdained because of his race. Also, if anyone can point out the "Remember the Titans" moment in the article where someone talks about how race doesn't matter and it is all about character....the last quote is "except ethnicity". Hey maybe I focused on the wrong things, but they are there. I can see that you are trying to find the good in the article, and that's fine too.

Edit::poor typing skills...

You are certainly entitled to be offended, as were the Morehouse students. This is, after all, a free country. I, on the other hand, am entitled to find your offense taken to be eerily similar to the offense taken by those students who were offended by Mr. Packwood's presence at Morehouse. Said eery similarity prompted my use of the phrase, "pot calling the kettle black", to describe your offense taken.

I apologize if my previous post did not make my point clear.

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You are certainly entitled to be offended, as were the Morehouse students. This is, after all, a free country. I, on the other hand, am entitled to find your offense taken to be eerily similar to the offense taken by those students who were offended by Mr. Packwood's presence at Morehouse. Said eery similarity prompted my use of the phrase, "pot calling the kettle black", to describe your offense taken.

I apologize if my previous post did not make my point clear.

Yeah, you are right, I can see how me being offended that people didn't want someone with my color of skin at their institution of higher learning or to date their women makes me a racist. And I can see how my being offended by their open discussion of said disdain for people of another race and their achievments is really just "the pot calling the kettle black" :rolleyes:

Seriously though, I know you regulars like to get the last word in, but clinging to a defense of you calling me, someone you have never met and probably read very few of my posts (as most are made in the great NW section), a closet racist is just sad, even for an internet forum.

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Yeah, you are right, I can see how me being offended that people didn't want someone with my color of skin at their institution of higher learning or to date their women makes me a racist. And I can see how my being offended by their open discussion of said disdain for people of another race and their achievments is really just "the pot calling the kettle black" :rolleyes:

Seriously though, I know you regulars like to get the last word in, but clinging to a defense of you calling me, someone you have never met and probably read very few of my posts (as most are made in the great NW section), a closet racist is just sad, even for an internet forum.

cnote, shame on you for being upset at racist comments made at a white student. Have white people ever been slaves in this country? Clearly there is nothing wrong with racism toward whites, since their ancestors were not slaves.

In fact, you are a racist for calling out that racist student for his racism. That racist student had ancestors who were slaves... don't you know?... and even to point out when he is being racist is itself a racist act.

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A point many on here need to remember;

Morehouse College was not started to exclude whites. It was started because blacks were LEGALLY denied admission to the South's finest colleges (Duke, Rice, Emory, Vandy, Tulane, Sewanee, Rhodes, W +L, Furman, etc...).

It would also be helpful to remember that most of the above mentioned colleges didn't have their first black students until the late 1960s.

Sure, some of the remarks in the article were unfortunate. However, unfortunate remarks from a few students does not = hundreds of years of legal discrimination. Sorry, it just doesn't hold the same weight.

Now, a better way to equate the comments of these few students at Morehouse would be to read the comments from female students at former all women's colleges that went coed after many formerly all-male colleges started to accept female students. Lots of those comments were angry for losing one of the few places women seemed to "own."

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Sure, some of the remarks in the article were unfortunate. However, unfortunate remarks from a few students does not = hundreds of years of legal discrimination. Sorry, it just doesn't hold the same weight.

What poppycock!

None of those students, black or white, have been alive during periods of legal discrimination against blacks. And they certainly haven't been alive for hundreds of years. If that's the standard we're going to use, nearly every ethnicity and religion (including those of us without this protected status that you wish to bestow) can claim immunity in being able to make "unfortunate" remarks.

These students have not personally endured hundreds of years of discrimination at the hands of anyone. They live in the present reality where society's mores dictate that WE (meaning everyone) ought to be judging not by the color of skin but by the content of character. It's unfortunate that those who ought to be most inspired by those words seem to be given a free pass in living up to them. Discrimination is discrimination, and passing discrimination that is acceptable to you off as "unfortunate remarks" gives license to discrimination that would offend your sensibilities.

This country will never get beyond these issues until more people realize that they are a two-way street.

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What poppycock!

None of those students, black or white, have been alive during periods of legal discrimination against blacks. And they certainly haven't been alive for hundreds of years. If that's the standard we're going to use, nearly every ethnicity and religion (including those of us without this protected status that you wish to bestow) can claim immunity in being able to make "unfortunate" remarks.

Are you saying that because discrimination is now illegal that the slate has been wiped clean? That our history has lost all impact on the present?

These students have not personally endured hundreds of years of discrimination at the hands of anyone. They live in the present reality where society's mores dictate that WE (meaning everyone) ought to be judging not by the color of skin but by the content of character. It's unfortunate that those who ought to be most inspired by those words seem to be given a free pass in living up to them.

Who ought to be most inspired by those words? Are you selecting that group by ... the color of their skin?

If we don't give them a "free pass", what should our reaction be? Will righteous indignation (from any of us) really help?

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A point many on here need to remember;

Morehouse College was not started to exclude whites. It was started because blacks were LEGALLY denied admission to the South's finest colleges (Duke, Rice, Emory, Vandy, Tulane, Sewanee, Rhodes, W +L, Furman, etc...).

It would also be helpful to remember that most of the above mentioned colleges didn't have their first black students until the late 1960s.

Sure, some of the remarks in the article were unfortunate. However, unfortunate remarks from a few students does not = hundreds of years of legal discrimination. Sorry, it just doesn't hold the same weight.

Now, a better way to equate the comments of these few students at Morehouse would be to read the comments from female students at former all women's colleges that went coed after many formerly all-male colleges started to accept female students. Lots of those comments were angry for losing one of the few places women seemed to "own."

Kinkaid, what you have to keep in mind is that the black community are the ones who wanted the slate wiped clean and EVERYONE start off as IMMEDIATE equals or at least equal to the whiteman. Shouldn't this "WANT" hold true even at Morehouse ? I agree that some comments are unfortunate, and even the "positive" comments seem to have a negative undertone to them. Why must the Dean say, "...in everyway but ethnicity." Is that even necessary ? That shows me that you aren't TRULY a Morehouse man unless your skin has a certain amount of melan in it's pigment.

Morehouse is traditionally a "Black" college, and we, as white devils, are supposed to just accept that fact and go along with it and smile and say, "Yep, you can have your ALL black college, you deserve it after what my great great granpappy did to your great great grandpappy !" So we smile and we have the UNCC, but try to have the UWCC, and all hell breaks loose.

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Are you saying that because discrimination is now illegal that the slate has been wiped clean? That our history has lost all impact on the present?

I'm saying that history is no excuse for discrimination. And I'm also saying that those living in the present have no special victim status due to that history.

Who ought to be most inspired by those words? Are you selecting that group by ... the color of their skin?

By .... their reactions to having a white valedictorian at an HBC.

If we don't give them a "free pass", what should our reaction be?

What would the reaction be if a few white students at Texas A&M expressed regret at having a black valedictorian? That the student was an Aggie in all ways except ethnicity? If you honestly believe the answer to those question is, "None at all," then I can't quarrel with you, because my only quarrel is with the double-standard.

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What would the reaction be if a few white students at Texas A&M expressed regret at having a black valedictorian? That the student was an Aggie in all ways except ethnicity? If you honestly believe the answer to those question is, "None at all," then I can't quarrel with you, because my only quarrel is with the double-standard.

No CDeb, it has already been proven at Aggieland that if you make a YouTube video, showing racist behavior towards blacks, that you will get booted off campus.

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No CDeb, it has already been proven at Aggieland that if you make a YouTube video, showing racist behavior towards blacks, that you will get booted off campus.

Bingo.

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I'm saying that history is no excuse for discrimination. And I'm also saying that those living in the present have no special victim status due to that history.

Do they have "special victim status" due to the current consequences of that history? Or are you really saying that this history has no consequences in the present?

By .... their reactions to having a white valedictorian at an HBC.

I'm confused. You said:

"They live in the present reality where society's mores dictate that WE (meaning everyone) ought to be judging not by the color of skin but by the content of character. It's unfortunate that those who ought to be most inspired by those words seem to be given a free pass in living up to them."

That sounds like you're saying that black people should be most inspired by those words, not that someone having some reaction to a white valedictorian at an HBC should be most inspired by those words. Please clarify.

What would the reaction be if a few white students at Texas A&M expressed regret at having a black valedictorian? That the student was an Aggie in all ways except ethnicity? If you honestly believe the answer to those question is, "None at all," then I can't quarrel with you, because my only quarrel is with the double-standard.

I imagine the reaction would be righteous indignation from some, indifference from others and support from a few. But that doesn't answer my question. What do you think our reaction should be to the comments expressed in the article?

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Do they have "special victim status" due to the current consequences of that history? Or are you really saying that this history has no consequences in the present?

Of course history has consequences in the present. I'm not seeing how that gives someone a pass to be a bigot.

I'm confused. You said:

"They live in the present reality where society's mores dictate that WE (meaning everyone) ought to be judging not by the color of skin but by the content of character. It's unfortunate that those who ought to be most inspired by those words seem to be given a free pass in living up to them."

That sounds like you're saying that black people should be most inspired by those words, not that someone having some reaction to a white valedictorian at an HBC should be most inspired by those words. Please clarify.

Yes, I should clarify as it was sloppy wording on my part. My opinion is that those believing they have a racial grievance should be most inspired by those words, which may include blacks, but doesn't necesarily have to. It is also my opinion that they should inspire us all on some level.

I imagine the reaction would be righteous indignation from some, indifference from others and support from a few. But that doesn't answer my question. What do you think our reaction should be to the comments expressed in the article?

I did answer your question. I think the reaction should be the same as the semi-hypothetical situation which I offered, whatever that reaction would be. Somehow, I don't think that would be the case.

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Nah, all African-Americans have to put up with at formerly all-white colleges is the notion that ALL of them are there because of affirmative action or athletic scholarships.

It's why white students have had % bake sales on campuses like ATM and SMU. There's even a thread about that here on HAIF. Funny thing is, many of the posters who are showing such outrage on this thread thought the one about anti-affirmative action bake sales was hilarious.

Apparently, double standards might be the only color-blind thing in American society.

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Of course history has consequences in the present. I'm not seeing how that gives someone a pass to be a bigot.

I don't think I'm saying anyone has a "pass" to be a bigot.

You really don't see how the history that produced Morehouse could lead to some students not wanting a white valedictorian?

Yes, I should clarify as it was sloppy wording on my part. My opinion is that those believing they have a racial grievance should be most inspired by those words, which may include blacks, but doesn't necesarily have to. It is also my opinion that they should inspire us all on some level.

I'm even more confused now.

I did answer your question. I think the reaction should be the same as the semi-hypothetical situation which I offered, whatever that reaction would be. Somehow, I don't think that would be the case.

So "righteous indignation from some, indifference from others and support from a few" is exactly how our reaction should be? That sounds like a description of the reactions in the article and on this forum. If you don't think our reaction should be different, what's this stuff about a "free pass"?

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Nah, all African-Americans have to put up with at formerly all-white colleges is the notion that ALL of them are there because of affirmative action or athletic scholarships.

"Affimative Action" ? There isn't one student currently enrolled at any college since 2004 that could possibly feel the effects of "Affirmative Action" . Unless someone who was an freshman in 2003 told them about it and how lucky he/she was to get in under the wire back then.

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You really don't see how the history that produced Morehouse could lead to some students not wanting a white valedictorian?

I can see how history has led lots of people to do lots of bad things. That doesn't make them acceptable.

I'm even more confused now.

Sorry about that.

So "righteous indignation from some, indifference from others and support from a few" is exactly how our reaction should be? That sounds like a description of the reactions in the article and on this forum. If you don't think our reaction should be different, what's this stuff about a "free pass"?

You and I differ in opinion on what the reaction to my hypothetic would be. I can live with that.

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Funny thing is, many of the posters who are showing such outrage on this thread thought the one about anti-affirmative action bake sales was hilarious.

I was just impressed by his muscular physique.

A guy with brawn with brains, congrats to him for being so well rounded.

It sets the standards higher for all types (races and gender).

Lots of articles about this mentioned that it only makes the other students want to study harder and do better in school.

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Sure, some of the remarks in the article were unfortunate. However, unfortunate remarks from a few students does not = hundreds of years of legal discrimination. Sorry, it just doesn't hold the same weight.

Who said it did?

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I wasn't. It's possible that some black citizens were, but they probably weren't enslaved in this country. Why do you ask? Did I miss the official erasure of our history of racial injustice?

Racial injustice is not specific to blacks.

Even your statement about a reason being 400 years of enslavement couldn't be more wrong considering whites weren't the only ones enslaving blacks, blacks were enslaved BY blacks, and whites, asians, indians, hispanics were also enslaved at the same time and in greater quantities. The "they were slaves" excuse doesn't hold water, at all. Slavery also ended 150 years ago and no one today has felt the direct affects of slavery, so it is a moot point anyway. I'm part of a group that had a federal extermination order out against them and were driven across the country to escape it. That gives me no rights or excuses today.

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Racial injustice is not specific to blacks.

Even your statement about a reason being 400 years of enslavement couldn't be more wrong considering whites weren't the only ones enslaving blacks, blacks were enslaved BY blacks, and whites, asians, indians, hispanics were also enslaved at the same time and in greater quantities. The "they were slaves" excuse doesn't hold water, at all. Slavery also ended 150 years ago and no one today has felt the direct affects of slavery, so it is a moot point anyway. I'm part of a group that had a federal extermination order out against them and were driven across the country to escape it. That gives me no rights or excuses today.

You asked for a reason why white people shouldn't get "pissy" about a racist comment. I'm not saying racial injustice is specific to blacks, or that 400 years of slavery excuses anything or justifies anything. I just think its a lot easier for white people to let racist comments slide than it is for black people. Our history doesn't define us, but it hasn't been magically erased, either.

And that was just one option. If you don't like it, chose the other one.

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Racial injustice is not specific to blacks.

I'm part of a group that had a federal extermination order out against them and were driven across the country to escape it. That gives me no rights or excuses today.

What group is that?

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