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TL. You're right, nice car that was beat with an ugly stick. They could easily improve things a bit by taking that thing off of the grill.

Several dealers are painting the grilles to give them a better look. I saw a black one at the dealer today with it done.

This is from another forum though:

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European version doesn't have it.

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That's the euro tsx you posted. I don't believe there is a JDM version of the TL.

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That's the euro tsx you posted. I don't believe there is a JDM version of the TL.

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You are correct. Our TSX is everyone else's Accord. No one (except perhaps some random Asian or Latin countries) gets our Accord, and no one else outside NA gets the TL. The TSX is now the least offensive of the Acura passenger cars.

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You are correct. Our TSX is everyone else's Accord. No one (except perhaps some random Asian or Latin countries) gets our Accord, and no one else outside NA gets the TL. The TSX is now the least offensive of the Acura passenger cars.

The US Accord split off from the international version several generations ago. Amazing that a car once known for being trim and agile is now a bit of a bloat-mobile.

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The US Accord split off from the international version several generations ago. Amazing that a car once known for being trim and agile is now a bit of a bloat-mobile.

My dad has an 08 Accord EXV6, which he proudly calls his "old man car" (got it after his company-leased Range Rover expired in more ways than one). It has a very nice interior, but is as floaty as a Japanese car can be.

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Why didn't Honda just re-badge Priuses instead of copying it line for line? Surely they could have thought of something original.

Of course they could've come up with something original. But you can't have original and aerodynamic optimality.

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My dad has an 08 Accord EXV6, which he proudly calls his "old man car" (got it after his company-leased Range Rover expired in more ways than one). It has a very nice interior, but is as floaty as a Japanese car can be.

Yeah, I kind of look at the Accord as today's equivalent of the Buick LeSabre my father used to drive.

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A really, really ugly Porsche - the new Panamera:

You aren't kidding! Now I love the whole coupe-as-sedan thing as much as anyone (the Volkswagen CC does it best), but wow that is ugly. I admit that the Cayenne's ugliness has grown on me (like a wart), but the only nice thing about the Panamera is the name. It even makes the gap-tooth TL look like a supermodel.

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I think the Panamera looks good. Atleast as good as the X6:

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I was behind one if my favorite cars of all time the other day: The GNX!

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You aren't kidding! Now I love the whole coupe-as-sedan thing as much as anyone (the Volkswagen CC does it best).

I agree about the VW "CC", i saw it again at the car show last night and it almost resembles the Mercerdes CLS at half the price.

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A really, really ugly Porsche - the new Panamera:

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The real 4-door sports car... or 4DSC as Nissan would say.

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I think the Panamera looks good. Atleast as good as the X6:

Talk about damning with faint praise! :lol:

To me the Panamera looks like a giant beached humpback whale.

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Several dealers are painting the grilles to give them a better look. I saw a black one at the dealer today with it done.

This is from another forum though:

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Wow, even when repainted, that grille overhang is hideous! It looks like a giant bucktooth. Acura used to have some cool looking cars, but I see nothing interesting in their current lineup.

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The Panamera is awkward looking in photos, but I'm sure that when it goes down the street it won't be mistaken for another make. And that's the idea behind it.

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More efficient than RWD? How so?

Smaller package? How so?

AWD is even less prone to slippage in snow and ice than FWD.

Smaller package because there are less parts and less moving parts as well.

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The Panamera is awkward looking in photos, but I'm sure that when it goes down the street it won't be mistaken for another make. And that's the idea behind it.

Looking like this you would think that they would WANT to be mistaken for another make.

Here is BMW's entry in the sedan-that-looks-like-a-coupe sweepstakes. What do you think?

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What is up with this "Panamera" name? I keep wanting to say Panaderia.

That BMW looks about as exciting as an 1980 Celica.

Short for "Panamerica". And the 1980 Celica was actually quite cool. At the time it looked like a car from the future.

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And the 1980 Celica was actually quite cool. At the time it looked like a car from the future.

True enough. Who knew? The car from the future ended up being a bulbous BMW with ugly ass rims!

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True enough. Who knew? The car from the future ended up being a bulbous BMW with ugly ass rims!

The 1980 Celica!

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I would love to own an old Toyota from the 1970s or 1980s. Very nimble and well-made cars.

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Looking like this you would think that they would WANT to be mistaken for another make.

Here is BMW's entry in the sedan-that-looks-like-a-coupe sweepstakes. What do you think?

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Definitely not as tasty as the CC or CLS. The front- and rear end are too upright. IMO, it isn't worth the compromise in backseat comfort...I'll stick with the 5-series (though it does give some clue as to the look of the next 5-series--upright grills are back, baby!)

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upright grills are back, baby!

The upright grills are due to the pedestrian safety laws....you are right - they will be showing up on all new cars....the new E-Class coupe even has a hood that pops up if you run into something to lessen the impact...

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How often should I do a coolant flush? I know after a while there is scaling and potential for corrosion, but on newer vehicles (2004 and 2005 is what we have) what's the good standard for flushing and replacing? Also, I've never done it before but it seems like it would be damn easy. Or is this one of those things that's just easier to bring over to Jiffy Lube and have it done?

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How often should I do a coolant flush? I know after a while there is scaling and potential for corrosion, but on newer vehicles (2004 and 2005 is what we have) what's the good standard for flushing and replacing? Also, I've never done it before but it seems like it would be damn easy. Or is this one of those things that's just easier to bring over to Jiffy Lube and have it done?

Honestly depends on what coolant was used from the factory. Some coolant is made to last 5 years/100,000 miles.

However, I still change mine every 30K miles.

Its really easy. Underneath the radiator, there will be a drain plug (or hose). You simply let all of the coolant drain out and refill.

Things to watch out for. This method is not a full flush. You will not be getting every last ounce of fluid out... but if you change it every 30-50k miles, it doesnt matter.

When you refill, start the car and check to make sure the temperature does not rise too far. It is possible to get air pockets in the lines... if this is the case, let the car cool, open the radiator cap and open the drain slightly letting just a bit of the coolant out. This should allow the system to purge the air. Tighten everything back up, and check again for temperature.

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How often should I do a coolant flush? I know after a while there is scaling and potential for corrosion, but on newer vehicles (2004 and 2005 is what we have) what's the good standard for flushing and replacing? Also, I've never done it before but it seems like it would be damn easy. Or is this one of those things that's just easier to bring over to Jiffy Lube and have it done?

In this day and age, with 5+ different coolant formulations out there you have to RTFM to find out the proper interval. On some cars it is easy, on other cars it is difficult. If you have a vertical or near vertical radiator with a radiator cap on top, then chances are it will be pretty straightforward...all you need to do is drain the block and radiator, refill with water, drain again, refill with water, drain again, then refill with coolant and distilled water (or whatever TFM specifies). I always do the final refill as follows:

Fill system as full as possible, leaving radiator cap off

Pinch upper and lower radiator hoses to "burp" system, adding more coolant as air pockets come out

Start engine

Turn on heater

Wait for engine to come up to temperature, the thermostat to open, and all the air pockets to be forced out of the block

Add more coolant until full

Put radiator cap back on

Allow engine to cool

Check coolant level

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Fill system as full as possible, leaving radiator cap off

Pinch upper and lower radiator hoses to "burp" system, adding more coolant as air pockets come out

Start engine

Turn on heater

Wait for engine to come up to temperature, the thermostat to open, and all the air pockets to be forced out of the block

Add more coolant until full

Put radiator cap back on

Allow engine to cool

Check coolant level

Don't you have to dispose of used coolant like used oil, only at certain recycling locations? Do you have to pay to dispose of it? Seems like this negates some of the benefit of DIY.

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Don't you have to dispose of used coolant like used oil, only at certain recycling locations? Do you have to pay to dispose of it? Seems like this negates some of the benefit of DIY.

Its free. Pretty much any service station will take it for you. There are some public drop off locations around too, although I do not use those.

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Thanks for the tips HAIFers, I'll be tackling this over the weekend, unless someone else has other plans for me.

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Here are more vehicles expected to be availabe soon.

2010 GMC Terrain-Looks really great but, it has the tailights of a toyota Sienna.

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2010 Kia Forte Koup- Another Honda Accord coupe anyone? :P There will be a four-door version as well.

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2010 Subaru Outback- Ok to say the least, not a fan of Subaru's. blah.

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Acura ZDX- Concept car currently but should be available in 2011 or 2012

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2011 Grand Jeep Cherokee- Yuck! What were they thinking?! :angry:

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Additional info here

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/

Thoughts?

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What's up with the hatchback comeback (the Acura)? I'm not a big fan. I think they're trying to make cars look like a Prius so people look earth-friendly even if they're not.

I agree that the Grand Cherokee doesn't look good. I think Jeep should stick to Wranglers and ditch everything else. Could you make a more feminine vehicle than the Liberty? Maybe they did that on purpose, maybe not.

Where does the GMC Terrain fit into their lineup (Trailblazer-Tahoe-Suburban equivalent or separate altogether)?

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I agree that the Grand Cherokee doesn't look good. I think Jeep should stick to Wranglers and ditch everything else. Could you make a more feminine vehicle than the Liberty? Maybe they did that on purpose, maybe not.

Where does the GMC Terrain fit into their lineup (Trailblazer-Tahoe-Suburban equivalent or separate altogether)?

Ditto. Jeep hasn't been "Jeep" in a long time.

I think the GMC Terrain is equivalent to the new 2010 Chevy Equinox, exteriors slighty different, interiors the same. The Terrain has more options; standards than the Equinox and they ride on the same chassis.

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Thanks for posting the photos.

The Acura is a pretty blatant attempt to copy the BMW X6, although why they would want to copy one of the most grotesque cars on the road is beyond me.

To me the Terrain looks like just another overdone SUV to cruise mall parking lots. What's with the jumbo fenders?

The Outlook is a bit of a disappointment imo.

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Thanks for posting the photos.

The Acura is a pretty blatant attempt to copy the BMW X6, although why they would want to copy one of the most grotesque cars on the road is beyond me.

To me the Terrain looks like just another overdone SUV to cruise mall parking lots. What's with the jumbo fenders?

The Outlook is a bit of a disappointment imo.

I like it.

Something I found today, the 2011 Chrysler 300. A very popular car.

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Interesting..

It's been reported in the last week that there are rumors that GMC and Pontiac will be terminated like Saab, Hummer and Saturn. Makes sense, doesn't it? Isn't GMC just clones of Chevy trucks?

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The 300 doesn't look bad, from that angle at least. I'm eager to see what the tail end looks like.

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I dropped our XC70 off at Star for a checkup yesterday and had a chance to drive the new XC60. It's a very nice crossover, and I hope it does well. Fast, luxurious interior (though the materials still aren't as nice as what VW and Audi use), and I love the City Safety option, though I don't know when I would use it. The City Safety camera is actually in the windshield, so here's hoping it doesn't have to be replaced!

This, the Passat CC, and the MB C350 are on my short list for next year.

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Interesting..

It's been reported in the last week that there are rumors that GMC and Pontiac will be terminated like Saab, Hummer and Saturn. Makes sense, doesn't it? Isn't GMC just clones of Chevy trucks?

Yes, this is what I understand to be true. The GMC line are all Chevy's but with different trim. I don't think GMC has any models without a Chevy counterpart. Typically the GMC version is slightly nicer, or so I thought, but I am not sure that applies to all of their trucks. There might be commercial lines they have that I don't know anything about.

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Interesting..

It's been reported in the last week that there are rumors that GMC and Pontiac will be terminated like Saab, Hummer and Saturn. Makes sense, doesn't it? Isn't GMC just clones of Chevy trucks?

More or less, but they hope to keep GMC because it is a highly profitable "professional" brand, relegate Pontiac to niche status, and sell off Saab.

I dropped our XC70 off at Star for a checkup yesterday and had a chance to drive the new XC60. It's a very nice crossover, and I hope it does well. Fast, luxurious interior (though the materials still aren't as nice as what VW and Audi use), and I love the City Safety option, though I don't know when I would use it. The City Safety camera is actually in the windshield, so here's hoping it doesn't have to be replaced!

This, the Passat CC, and the MB C350 are on my short list for next year.

I was intrigued by the Passat CC until I read this review: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-vo...agen-passat-cc/. Still, I think the CC at least looks great.

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Yes, this is what I understand to be true. The GMC line are all Chevy's but with different trim. I don't think GMC has any models without a Chevy counterpart. Typically the GMC version is slightly nicer, or so I thought, but I am not sure that applies to all of their trucks. There might be commercial lines they have that I don't know anything about.

I was always told that GMC were more heavy duty than a standard Chevy and that's why they tend to cost a little more. They were only in the truck biz until recently, then they introduced some SUVs.

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I was always told that GMC were more heavy duty than a standard Chevy and that's why they tend to cost a little more. They were only in the truck biz until recently, then they introduced some SUVs.

I think that's right - with the trim comment I was thinking Tahoe-Yukon comparison, although I think the GMC stuff is both nicer and more heavy duty even in the pick-ups. It may be a whole different ball game with full size vans and commercial/bigger trucks. They had the GMC Safari since the 80's, which I think was slightly nicer than its counterpart Astro - which, by the way, is a crappy car to learn to drive with when it's raining. It is a great car (mini-van) for a group of teenage boys up to no good though.

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Yes, this is what I understand to be true. The GMC line are all Chevy's but with different trim. I don't think GMC has any models without a Chevy counterpart. Typically the GMC version is slightly nicer, or so I thought, but I am not sure that applies to all of their trucks. There might be commercial lines they have that I don't know anything about.

I read that GMC got a reprieve. Even though they are rebadged Chevys they can sell for more and have better brand loyalty. Overall more profitable than the Chevy versions. Also, when people switched from GMC they were going to Ford, not Chevy.

I dropped our XC70 off at Star for a checkup yesterday and had a chance to drive the new XC60. It's a very nice crossover, and I hope it does well. Fast, luxurious interior (though the materials still aren't as nice as what VW and Audi use), and I love the City Safety option, though I don't know when I would use it. The City Safety camera is actually in the windshield, so here's hoping it doesn't have to be replaced!

What is the City Safety option?

With Volvo I would still always go with the wagon option. A friend just bought a nice V50.

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What is the City Safety option?

Below 20mph, it will bring the XC60 to a full stop if necessary to avoid hitting a vehicle in front of it (whether that vehicle is stopped or moving at a slower speed, but in the same direction).

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Interesting..

It's been reported in the last week that there are rumors that GMC and Pontiac will be terminated like Saab, Hummer and Saturn. Makes sense, doesn't it? Isn't GMC just clones of Chevy trucks?

Its not in their immediate plans, GM is only considering killing those two brands to prevent filing for bankruptcy.

More upcoming vehicles

Cadillac CTS coupe

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Hyundai is definitely going for the Mercedes and BMW look (too bad for the conspicuously consuming Mercedes and BMW buyers!).

As much as I am not a fan of large vehicles, the Spark is just unattractive in a roller-skate kinda way (did the Ford Festiva start that look?).

And geez - I hope the Volvos with the City Braking feature come with rubbermaid rear bumpers :P

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The Equus I believe has been sold for years in South Korea with a Mercedes knock-off look. They are thinking they can undersell existing luxury brands.

I would be willing to bet that the interior of the Spark has been drastically cheapened for Americans. Cars like this sell for more in other countries and consequently they can spring for nicer interiors. That may be the case with the Fiesta as well.

The Fiesta has one design trend I really dislike - sloping the windshield straight down to the front bumper so that small windows are necessary at the front of the doors.

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Wild Rides: The Toyota Prius Isn't the Angel Everyone Thinks It Is

On a rainy night last fall, a couple months after Riner bought her Prius, she was driving toward the Galleria for a sales meeting. She hated driving in the rain because a car wreck in college catapulted her through the windshield and doctors almost had to amputate her leg.

Traffic near the mall was congested but moving, and Riner kept the Prius pegged at 60 mph, constantly looking at the console to manage her fuel consumption.

Suddenly, she felt the car hydroplaning out of control, and when she glanced at the speedometer she realized the car had shot up to 84 mph. Riner wasn't hydroplaning; quite simply, her Prius had accelerated on its own.

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http://www.houstonpress.com/2009-04-23/news/wild-rides/

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