Independence Heights Information & Developments

[stuu67]

Independence Heights is starting to pick up steam with several builders now with new projects throughout.  Lots have more than doubled in the last year and in some cases tripled.  I've purchased multiple properties and have new construction now around all of them.  

[Ftrpilot]

I was one of the first to build a new home in Independence Heights. In 2014 I saw the HOUSTON Heights building north to loop 610. Those homes and real estate became increasingly valuable. It seemed that inner Houston growth was not going to be stopped by the interstate. I purchased 50' x 120' lot for 32k on 33rd St @ Arlington. 3 blocks North of the loop. That same sized lot on 34th is now selling for +/-100k.I built a modest 3-2 w 2 car detatched. I spent 150-160 total incl.the aforementioned 32k. We feel we could easily sell today just 2 years later for 375k.

Development is happening around us everywhere. It's happening now. The retail development is moving from lower Yale to north Yale. Just last month, Wabash Feed announced it's moving to north Shephard near 43Rd (independence heights goes west to shephard north to Pinemont. There are no less than 10 homes being built within a 3 block radius of us. This, during the biggest oil bust in 20 years. The face of independence heights is changing. Hopefully, thoughtfully and for the betterment of itself.

[Purpledevil]

The face of Independence Heights is changing, huh?

Don't drive up to the car wash on Crosstimbers, between Main & Yale, and inform the regular patrons/loiterers about that. They just might want to change your face, lol.

In all seriousness, you are correct, there is a significant increase of new development in Studewood. Excuse me, Independence Heights. It's all well and good, until new development starts replacing Flying Saucer, the Mexicatessen/Landa Cafe, Lee'n Food Mkt., Church's Chicken, or BBQ Inn.

That's when the proverbial fan gets splattered with us older, more established residents of Studewood...

[stuu67]

Independence Heights is really starting to move.  Lots of new construction going up.  Sullivan Brothers putting up more units starting at $350k and up. 

[Purpledevil]

I had completely forgotten about this thread, but stuu, you sure are right. Late last year, after my wife passed away, I sold our home in Camden Park and moved back to our first owned house here in Parkway.

There isn't a single individual in here, including you good sir, capable of pulling the wool over this poster's eyes. I'm living in the thick of it, and the reality is, anyone that buys up these new developments in Studewood had better have tough skin, and a wife and kids that aren't squeamish. You're going to have an entire area north of Crosstimbers as your neighboring community and what's currently going on up here will really make your hairs curl, if you're not accustomed to it. Apparently, the crack dealers, meth heads, and street walkers that once graced the areas around Booker T. have suddenly found their way up here between Parker and Barbecue Inn. 

You ought to just see the Town Inn and the adjacent Chevron station at Rosamond and 45 at night these days. The hookers line up so you can even compare the merchandise. How about the dope deals in the McDonald's parking lot? Would you like fries with that? Ask Carla about her Family Dollar being robbed almost weekly. Want to see Texas style gambling? Visit the 20+ "patrons" loitering around Parker Food Mart shooting dice, swilling 40's, and throwing punches and empty beer bottles at each other. If you want even bang for your buck, post yourself up in the Shell parking lot at Parker & North Freeway after dark. The traffic between it and the Symphony Inn is bumper to bumper, and it isn't just the cars I'm talking about. Grab a beer (and a sidearm for your own safety), then come on up and enjoy the show.

Where we lived at Antoine and Vets Memorial can't hold a candle to the sheer amount of action down here. Independence Heights certainly is on the move...about a mile to three miles northward. There isn't a developer, builder, or realtor alive that will ever tell a potential Independence Heights area buyer that, but I certainly will. It sure as hell isn't the rosy picture some people are trying to make it out to be, and it definitely isn't the same quiet little pocket neighborhood my wife and I moved out of in 1999. I haven't even mentioned what is all is going down between North Main and Airline, directly to the east of Booker T., but Lord knows, that'd take up an entire page in and of itself.

$350k, huh? Really? Because mine just appraised at $83k, and if you're going to buy in Studewood and be that up close and personal with all of the festivities, ya might as well just set up shop right in the heart of it and save a couple hundred thousand. 

You can even be my next door neighbor, as that one's up for sale right now. Asking price: $78,500.

But, hey, it's not all bad. Yale is brand new, with 4 lanes up here now, and the #40 will take you clear to Hobby Airport without a transfer, for all the transportation fans around here.

Good luck with those new purchases, gentlemen.

 

[s3mh]

Near Northside is going to get the next round of significant gentrification.  Independence Heights is geographically a logical next step for gentrification as the Greater Heights is getting closer to being fully built out, but the recent oil crunch is going to add another 5 years onto the already 5-10 years it will take before the area gets past the initial pioneering days.  Near Northside has a lot more going for it.  The light rail, White Oak performance venue and some redevelopment at Hardy Yards is going to give that area some decent momentum.  By contrast, there really isn't anything going on in Independence Heights.  I drove through the neighborhood a few months ago to look at the progress on the demos for the new high school.  I saw a pack of wild dogs chasing a dog that had a freshly caught cat in its mouth.  I am sure it was quite a scene when they all had their feast and left a nice cat carcass behind.

[Purpledevil]

Poor cat! I know that pack of dogs...or at least one just like it. You called it correctly, s3mh. The couple of blocks north of Booker T. has plenty of work going on, and there is a smattering of new construction in the neighborhood, here and there. Nowhere near the levels of Sunset Heights though, and it won't be either. You believe there will be a 5-10 year delay? I'm 49, and don't believe I'll see Studewood cleaned up in my lifetime. That's just the reality of it. People can speculate all they want, about it being ready to turn the corner. Drive up here around 11pm or after, and anyone can see firsthand that I am not exaggerating on the current elements running the streets in the least bit.

It's quite all right with me, though. I grew up in Sunset Heights back in the 70s & 80s, right down the street from the Peppermint Lounge. This feels like home, much more so than Camden Park ever did. I guess after all these years there's still a little riff-raff left in me, as well. The cherry on top is that my taxes on this house are next to nothing annually. Just over $1,000 last year, and barely. 

I couldn't even imagine living in a place where someone else can control the property I own, and tell me what I can and can't do with it. I can assure you, an HOA would hate me instantly. The most we have here is a civic club, and that's nothing more than a handful of people with nothing better to do than to gossip with one another over a glass of punch and a couple of cookies on a Thursday night. 

I know I'm coming off as all doom and gloom, and trust me, I'd love to see this gentrification of Studewood come to pass, Yale Village & Pecan Shadows turned into a pile of rubble, and the Gulf station and strip center across from Barkwood replaced with something that doesn't draw the hooligans out of the woodwork, but it's not happening as some would have you to believe. If it was, there'd be developers up here doing exactly what they did to my grandmother back in the 90's for her house on 26th. Hounding me consistently about selling out.

[stuu67]

You guys kill me.  This is the same talk that I heard about Brooksmith when I invested there.  There was money to be made there, there's money to be made in Independence Heights and S3mh you're right Near Northside and Fifth Ward is currently being gentrified also that's why I'm investing there also.  It only takes a little vision. 

Edited April 1, 2016 by stuu67
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[Purpledevil]

4 hours ago, stuu67 said:

You guys kill me.  This is the same talk that I heard about Brooksmith when I invested there.  There was money to be made there, there's money to be made in Independence Heights and S3mh you're right Near Northside and Fifth Ward is currently being gentrified also that's why I'm investing there also.  It only takes a little vision. 

Well sure there's money to be made. There's a sucker born every minute, stuu, and I'm sure you'll find your fair share. I'm just here to provide the reality of the situation that is Independence Heights. By all means, if you find enough dopes to rope, go right on ahead.

But for those of you who DO get suckered into the hyperbole, don't say that the purpledevil didn't warn you. Not everyone has the cajones to live in this area, Good luck...and make sure to keep it loaded and within reach. 

[stuu67]

Independence Heights is really BOOMING!!! With the new Whole Foods 365, The renovations coming to the Canino Farmers Market and new construction everywhere I'm seeing my property values skyrocket.  

Edited August 11, 2017 by stuu67

[stuu67]

Fifth Ward is next with the Hardy Yards now under Developement and the East River Project construction getting underway at the old KBR facility. 

[stuu67]

Independence Heights is Booming.  Where’s all my doubters at😂😂😂

[s3mh]

13 hours ago, stuu67 said:

Independence Heights is Booming.  Where’s all my doubters at😂😂😂

 

Right here.  IH is right about where I thought it would be about five years later.  Some momentum gaining in the townhome/patio home market with most units selling in the $250-325k range.  Some supply and demand pulling against each other as property owners are cashing out and clearing lots to sell.  4k sq ft lots that were going for $40-60k are now going for $60-80k.  Larger lots that can be divided up are getting a bit more per sq ft.  IH is about where Cottage Grove was about 15-20 years ago.  A fair amount of cheap townhomes going up and not much else.

 

i do know someone who bought a townhome in IH.  She could only afford @$275k and wanted to stay near downtown and GOOF.  IH is a good value because you get new construction about as cheap as anywhere in the area.  But the neighborhood still has a long way to go.  The tear down activity has definitely helped clear out a lot of the crackheads, but flurf still goes down in the neighborhood every now and then.  And there are still lots of stray dogs running around.  I expect that development will continue on about the same pace for the next five years.   People have a lot of choices for close in gentrifying neighborhoods. 3rd and 5th wards are about in the same position as IH.  Industrial areas of GOOF are getting converted to multifamily and higher end townhomes.  So, the fact that Cottage Grove, Shady Acres and other Greater Heights favorites for townhome development are filling up doesn't mean that IH is going to get any better than it currently is.  

 

Near northside is much farther along with renovated bungalows getting $400k+.  Your dollar would have gone further had you bought in the near northside 5 years ago.  

[Visitor]

12 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

I don't know if this is the right thread for this (and if it is not, mods, please move it).

The Leader wrote an article last week on the gentrification of Independence Heights and the anxiety for longtime residents.

https://theleadernews.com/gentrification-causing-tension-in-independence-heights/

In case anyone was interested in a visual

Edited June 6, 2019 by Visitor

[Luminare]

1 hour ago, Visitor said:

In case anyone was interested in a visual

 

This should be cropped a bit and framed. Nice juxtaposition. 

[sinister1]

On 4/17/2013 at 10:05 PM, gnu said:

I did a little bit of research:

Henry Stude owned the land where Studewood street is today.  I don't believe he ever owned the land where Independence Heights is.

I get the impression that Stude's Woods were somewhere (or all) along present-day Studewood south of Sunset Heights.

However, I did run across the fact that the streetcar line (and later bus route #44) that served Independence Heights was called the Studewood.

The streetcar turned around at 30th and N.Main.  Maybe the residents back then would say they lived at the end of the Studewood line and they eventually just started calling where they were going Studewood.  And since there was no real "Stude's Woods" anymore (after the subdivisions filled in)......Just a thought.

 

Hope this helps.

 

EDIT:  Not sure when Metro (or its forerunner) changed the 44 from Studewood to Acres Homes.

That is the best explanation so far. Thank you.

[sinister1]

On 4/17/2013 at 10:28 PM, sinister1 said:

Hi gun,

 

Here is a copy of the bus route for the 44 Acres Homes(http://www.ridemetro.org/SchedulesMaps/Pdfs/044-acres.pdf). I looks like it only comes near the Independence Heights area when it comes down Crosstimbers but it never comes directly through the neighborhood like the 66 Yale does. Do you happen to have a copy of the old Street Cart route by any chance so we could compare?

 

I think you are really on to something here. Thanks.

I found an old 1927 copy of the Houston Electric Company streetcar map. It shows streetcar route number 4 as the Studewood.  It shows it going past 27th Street then truing back around on what looks like 29th or 30th Street. I'm guessing if you were going to Independence Heights or Acres Homes in those times that was the only route..

[j_cuevas713]

On 7/14/2021 at 5:30 PM, sinister1 said:

I found an old 1927 copy of the Houston Electric Company streetcar map. It shows streetcar route number 4 as the Studewood.  It shows it going past 27th Street then truing back around on what looks like 29th or 30th Street. I'm guessing if you were going to Independence Heights or Acres Homes in those times that was the only route..

This image is very depressing. We had a great system to expand on. If we had built smarter we would have been much denser, prob closer to a Chicago in size with plenty of room to expand our transit over time. 

[Angostura]

On 7/15/2021 at 9:05 PM, j_cuevas713 said:

This image is very depressing. We had a great system to expand on. If we had built smarter we would have been much denser, prob closer to a Chicago in size with plenty of room to expand our transit over time. 

Except where they run on dedicated ROW (and sometimes even when they do) early 20th century streetcars were actually pretty slow. During peak hours, the St Charles streetcar in New Orleans isn't appreciably faster than a brisk walker, and definitely slower than a bicycle.

What really limited Houston's density were, in no particular order:

• The 20th century sewer moratorium, which effectively limited construction inside the loop to 4-plexes during large parts of the high-growth post-war period.
• Deed restrictions limited certain areas to single-family residential
• The 5000 sf minimum lot size, which was only relaxed in the 1980s.
• Chapter 42, which established minimum front and side setbacks and other density-limiting regulations (and established the strip center as the dominant commercial development pattern)
• Minimum parking requirements (which basically require a standalone restaurant to dedicate 75% of its land area to parking)

 

[stuu67]

Hey just checking in on my doubters of Independence Heights now that some new construction is selling near $500k and in a few instances even more. I told you guys it was happening 😂. I hope you invested in IH. Purple Devil where are you😂? sm3h???

[s3mh]

After seven years, I think I was pretty much spot on.  I said IH was 5-10 years away from gaining the critical mass needed to really see it turn around.  Right now, development in IH is still pretty spotty with mostly entry level townhomes in the $300s popping up on random lots.  Lot values are up but appreciation is not as good as the near northside/Lindale.  

I have a friend who bought a townhome over by Tulane in IH about 4 years ago.  The neighborhood is still pretty rough.  A lot of drugs and gang activity is still going on even as new construction goes up with doorbell cameras pointing at the street.  Police sirens and gun shots are still a weekly occurrence. 

IH is right now about where Cottage Grove and Shady Acres were in the early 2000s.  The pace of development is picking up but there is still a long way to go before it attracts anyone other than urban pioneers who are willing to put up with the crime, stray dogs, etc. in exchange for a close in neighborhood and an affordable townhome.  

I am still much more bullish on the near northside and Lindale.  They are getting some restaurants, bars and coffee shops (Canary Cafe, Trash Panda, Monkey's Tail, Rabbits Got the Gun, Local Brewing, etc.).  Bellissimo moved to IH.  But that is really it for IH.  

 

https://www.theleadernews.com/community/woman-charged-in-fatal-independence-heights-shooting/article_f681b16c-10cf-11ec-8d9e-0b98b106c0e8.html

 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/crime/article/Man-charged-in-Independence-Heights-shooting-that-16115473.php

https://abcnews.go.com/US/deputy-fatally-shot-injured-ambush-houston-nightclub-police/story?id=80619451