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Walmart at Yale & I-10: For or Against  

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  1. 1. Q1: Regarding the proposed WalMart at Yale and I-10:

    • I live within a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am FOR this Walmart
      41
    • I live within a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am AGAINST this Walmart
      54
    • I live outside a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am FOR this Walmart
      30
    • I live outside a 3 mile radius (as the crow flies) and am AGAINST this Walmart
      26
    • Undecided
      9
  2. 2. Q2: If/when this proposed WalMart is built at Yale & I-10

    • I am FOR this WalMart and will shop at this WalMart
      45
    • I am FOR this WalMart but will not shop at this WalMart
      23
    • I am AGAINST this WalMart but will shop at this WalMart
      7
    • I am AGAINST this WalMart and will not shop at this WalMart
      72
    • Undecided
      13
  3. 3. Q3: WalMart in general

    • I am Pro-Walmart
      16
    • I am Anti-Walmart
      63
    • I don't care either way
      72
    • Undecided
      9

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Yes, we do have a specific site to look at, but you do not even bother to look at it because you are so biased against community participation in the development process that you do not care about the facts.

although it is fairly obvious you are either ignoring me, or choosing to not respond to my questions, but since you feel redscare is against community participation in the process of development, let me ask the question that begs to be answered...

what role are you taking in the development process?

All I have ever seen from you is hatred and words that point distinctly to the fact that you do not want a walmart there. that isn't taking part in a process that is opposition to a process.

taking part would be working with the developer to offer better strategy for their vision. what are you doing, what is your group doing towards that goal?

don't pretend like you're taking an active participatory role when you are in fact taking an active opposition role.

the two are distinctly different, and there's no way you can confuse the two.

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I would've thought that someone who nitpicked my post so much in post #1330 would have paid just as much attention to my other posts. Note that I said "development", a term that includes the entire Ainbinder project. If you had spent a few seconds looking at the site plan before typing, you'd have realized that the development will front both Yale AND Heights, both of which are 4 lane streets. But, I guess since you decided to side with sm3h, you have also decided to adopt his tactic of ignoring pertinent information, such as access to a second 4 lane thoroughfare.

And, why would TxDOT add full frontage roads if they did not also plan to install entrance and exit ramps to them? And what are these buildings up to the edge of Yale that you describe? Every building on that stretch of Yale has been demolished for the impending development. I'm sure that if a few feet of ROW is needed, Ainbinder will happily donate it for access to his property.

So, two 4 lane thoroughfares with access to a third thoroughfare (Washington), brand new feeder roads and a massive freeway, and you want to join the 'there's no room' crowd? Knock yourself out. We need new arguments to make fun of.

How is Heights Blvd going to help traffic flow out of Walmart? Who cares whether a portion of the development fronts both Heights and Yale. We are talking about Walmart in this thread, not some yet to be named "chef driven restaurant" that will lease on of the other pads. Nice try, but Heights Blvd is not the issuse. Yale is. Yale is inadequate for the traffic needed. Yale will connect to the feeder via Bass. But that won't get you anwhere as you will have to worm through exiting I-10 traffic just to get to sit at the light at Yale. Just take a look at the siting of virtually every other Walmart in Houston. They put them either right on a feeder road that is not in close proximity to a major intersection or numerous signalized intersections (as will be the case with Yale) or with access to two thorough fares with at least four lanes of traffic on one of the two, many times more. This walmart is going to only have a single main driveway to Yale, a street with five signalized intersections in just over a half mile. The freeway access will do nothing to alleviate the traffic because there is no direct access to the feeder. It is will be a complete mess.

You also need to actually drive around the area and take a look at Yale St. Yale is grade separeated at one end and goes over a bridge at the other. Adding a lane at the grade separation and over the bridge would be fantastically expensive if not prohibitively so. And the northwest end of Yale at I-10 is San Jacinto Stone, not a demolished building. They are also virtually grade separated as their property is on a slight hill above Yale. The developer is not going to be donating ROW because 1) the developer will make you and me (i.e. taxpayers) buy it from him (see 380 agreement where developer gets $50+ per sq ft for $22.5 HCAD value land for Koehler extension ROW) and 2) the developer doesn't own all the land on both sides of Yale. Bobby Orr's company owns about half of the land on the east side of Yale south of the Dirt bar. I don't see Orr being willing to donate land to Ainbinder. And that is probably the portion of land that would be needed to alleviate the north bound congestion on Yale. Sorry, but life isn't as simple as you think it is. Developers can't donate land they don't own and streets can't be widened at the snap of a finger when there is grade separation and bridges in the way. The facts are clear: this is not where you can put a Walmart Supercenter. The infrastructure will not support it, absent a massive investment above and beyond what is in the 380 agreement and, more than likely, above and beyond profitability for the developer.

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It seems like the entity with the most experience and expertise in "the infrastructure needed to support a WalMart store" is, well, WalMart and they seem to have decided that this location and developer have a site worth signing onto.

Perhaps Heights residents know better?

I know that I manage to go over to Target, Staples, PetsMart, etc, in addition to driving down Sawyer to get to Sawyer Park so the trips add up to multiple trips through that area per week and I never have a problem with traffic somehow. Theres a couple bank branches and fast food places over there, the stores I mentioned, plus a few restaurants, a loft apartment complex, and theres only 4 lanes in/out, no feeder road, no extra north/south thoroughfare like at Heights to help take some traffic to/from traffic from the secondary retail space, no other side street that also gives access from IH10 or Washington, and Sawyer is NOT grade separated at the railroad tracks, and somehow, someway there dont seem to be many problems at all...

Of course you will no doubt counter with "SuperCenter" and 24 hour, as if a handful of cars at 2 am is going to cause a logjam at 5pm, or that a couple departments in WalMart are going to make up for more than the large amount of bigger secondary retail like PetsMart and Staples that are at Sawyer Heights, but whatever.

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That's not even to mention just the fact that this WalMart will actually cut down my trips to Target since they are in competition and WalMart will be closer to my house, so its a positive impact from my personal traffic on Sawyer/IH10, with mostly minimal impact on Yale since I drive down Yale to I-10 to get to Target/PetsMArt/Staples ALREADY. Hell, if Ainbender can sign BoA as the bank branch and move them from Washington, my world will get a whole lot better as I will now be able to use Yale/I-10 exclusively for my trips to the bank rather than coming home from work down Memorial to Waugh, left on Washington and back up Yale to my house to/from their existing branch (waiting for my company to figure out that direct deposit exists, but whatever).

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How is Heights Blvd going to help traffic flow out of Walmart? Who cares whether a portion of the development fronts both Heights and Yale. We are talking about Walmart in this thread, not some yet to be named "chef driven restaurant" that will lease on of the other pads. Nice try, but Heights Blvd is not the issuse. Yale is. Yale is inadequate for the traffic needed. Yale will connect to the feeder via Bass. But that won't get you anwhere as you will have to worm through exiting I-10 traffic just to get to sit at the light at Yale.

Considering that I and my neighbors will drive down Heights, turn right on Koehler, and drive into Walmart without ever getting on Yale, I suspect Heights will help traffic flow a lot. Further, shoppers from Montrose will travel north on Waugh, which turns into Heights, turn left on Koehler, drive into Walmart. AGAIN, no traffic on Yale. Some shoppers from the west will exit I-10 and get to Walmart via Bonner. Some will exit Walmart to the feeder via Bonner. But don't let reality stop your fight against Walmart. It hasn't yet.

Just take a look at the siting of virtually every other Walmart in Houston. They put them either right on a feeder road that is not in close proximity to a major intersection or numerous signalized intersections (as will be the case with Yale) or with access to two thorough fares with at least four lanes of traffic on one of the two, many times more. This walmart is going to only have a single main driveway to Yale, a street with five signalized intersections in just over a half mile. The freeway access will do nothing to alleviate the traffic because there is no direct access to the feeder. It is will be a complete mess.

You make this too easy. The new Walmart at Crosstimbers is not on the feeder road, even though the mailing address is I-45. Best access is via Crosstimbers, coincidentally, a 4 lane road, just like Yale. There is also a Walmart on Sawdust Road in the Woodlands that sits on a 4 lane road just like Yale, that is about a mile from any freeway. It does just fine.

You also need to actually drive around the area and take a look at Yale St.

Isn't this cute. The guy who has lived here a year is telling the guy who has lived in the area for 11 years (and lives closer to the site than he does) that he needs to actually drive around the area and look at Yale Street. You crack me up! How many miles from this site did you say you live, newbie? I can walk to it from my house.

The facts are clear: this is not where you can put a Walmart Supercenter.

Umm....the fact is clear. They already ARE going to put in a Walmart Supercenter.

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How can someone say in one of their post that just because someone drives on yale it doesn't make t hem an expert, then in the same thread say you need to actually drive on Yale. This implies that S3mh considers their driving on Yale and observing traffic and etc. credible, but not others. Just another facet of your anti-walmart hypocrisy.

I'm still waiting on the answer to this questin, "Why is traffic on Yale a problem for YOU?" Yale (not to mention south of I-10) is easily avoidable for anyone who lives in the Heights. I know you can't possibly be concerned about (non-heights) through traffic... but it would be hilarious to see you use that as your argument.

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Just take a look at the siting of virtually every other Walmart in Houston. They put them either right on a feeder road that is not in close proximity to a major intersection or numerous signalized intersections (as will be the case with Yale) or with access to two thorough fares with at least four lanes of traffic on one of the two, many times more. This walmart is going to only have a single main driveway to Yale, a street with five signalized intersections in just over a half mile. The freeway access will do nothing to alleviate the traffic because there is no direct access to the feeder. It is will be a complete mess.

You make this too easy. The new Walmart at Crosstimbers is not on the feeder road, even though the mailing address is I-45. Best access is via Crosstimbers, coincidentally, a 4 lane road, just like Yale. There is also a Walmart on Sawdust Road in the Woodlands that sits on a 4 lane road just like Yale, that is about a mile from any freeway. It does just fine.

The 185,000 SF supercenter that they are building outside the loop will be on Silber, a 4 lane road with no median or center lane, and that site is between Westview and the feeder probably about 1000 ft from either one with no access to either except Silber itself. There is also no access/outlet at the rear of the property north south, east, or west. The only way to get to it AT ALL is Silber.

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1. It is never a waste of time to advocate for what you believe is best for your community. Plenty of Walmarts have been defeated across the country, including two recent examples in Helotes and Spring Valley.

Yes, but in this case the city has already endorsed and thrown their support behind the project, and there is basically zero chance of this changing based on the lack of political interest in thwarting this development that is supported by much of the community.

2. You don't need a lawsuit to stop a Walmart. This development has major problems with traffic and drainage. If the City is held to its promise to "hold the developers feet to the fire", the development may not happen in its current form. But if everyone just walks away and leaves it up to the City, the favors will come pouring in for the developer and Walmart and everything will be rubber stamped. If people are vigilant and organized, then the City may have political cover to put their foot down and take real action that may reduce the size of the Walmart, which would probably send them packing.

Maybe so, but given that this development is moving forward, I'd rather it include infrastructure improvements and amenities like wider sidewalks and more trees that the 380 agreement provides incentives for. If the opposition's activities help put pressure on the city and developer to ensure these improvements are implemented, then I support their efforts. If, however, these activities end up allowing the development to complete without the needed infrastructure improvements or amenities, then it's not really a win-win for anyone.

3. Any attempt at reform will be shot down by the deep pocketed developers. But, if people make developer's lives very difficult every time they come up with a tower or supercenter in a residential/urban neighborhood or whatever stupid and irresponsible development they will come up with next, then developers may see some sort of reform as a better way to do business than to have to deal with all the ill will, delay and expense that comes with each land use fight.

True, there aren't many options for the local community to oppose these projects unless a high-ranking city official takes on the cause. The zero-tolerance perspective of private property rights advocates perplexes me, particularly when applied to large-scale projects that do affect the local community. Even though I don't agree with all your posts, I do agree with your right to voice your opposition, and I'm surprised by the ferocity of some responses to your comments.

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Yeah, with sm3h and that whole stop the Walmart crowd, it's never really been about the traffic or the 380 or walkability or any of the other "issues" they throw around. It's always been about their blatant hatred of Walmart.

Not any other store. Only Walmart. And most of them say they've never been inside one.

I used to never shop Walmart mainly because there wasn't one nearby. It wasn't until HEB stopped carrying so many items that I liked/purchased that I ventured outside the loop to find that hated Arkansas chain. HEB in my area has gotten so bad that they've quit stocking many national brands in favor of their house brands.

And I agree with Red. How can folks in their townhomes (and McVics, imo) claim that Walmart will ruin their 'neighborhood'??

Walmart has a large cross-hair on their back because they are the world's largest retailer and have a somewhat unsavory history. What amazes me is that people are so surprised by this.

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Study: When New Walmarts Open, People Get Fatter

http://consumerist.c...ple-fatter.html

I'm not going to directly blame Walmart for the obesity epidemic, but it's an interesting study.

Dont even have to read it to discredit it....Its not even indirectly Wal Marts fault. People are responsible for their own weight. Just because you are lazy, dont exercise, and do not want to cook something healthy is not Wal-Marts fault.

For the same price as anything unhealthy that is frequently on sale and located more prominently throughout the store, anyone can buy the big bag of frozen chicken breasts for next to nothing, and some frozen vegetables.

People dont buy healthy, because they have to do more than open the box, or microwave it....they actually have to *GASP* cook something, and then *GASP* clean it up!!! That is not Wal Marts fault....its the idiot who buys the foods fault.

Its ridiculous to post something like that and claim its even indirectly WalMart's fault.

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Dont even have to read it to discredit it....Its not even indirectly Wal Marts fault. People are responsible for their own weight. Just because you are lazy, dont exercise, and do not want to cook something healthy is not Wal-Marts fault.

For the same price as anything unhealthy that is frequently on sale and located more prominently throughout the store, anyone can buy the big bag of frozen chicken breasts for next to nothing, and some frozen vegetables.

People dont buy healthy, because they have to do more than open the box, or microwave it....they actually have to *GASP* cook something, and then *GASP* clean it up!!! That is not Wal Marts fault....its the idiot who buys the foods fault.

Its ridiculous to post something like that and claim its even indirectly WalMart's fault.

Completely agree that the study is worthless.

Since Walmart has pretty much saturated the suburban \ rural market (hence they have to build stores in inappropriate urban areas) it says more about the culture of sitting in your car for two hours to sit at work for eight hours to sit in your car for two more hours and wondering why there is no time for exercise.

Though simply put, if wal mart does indeed decrease the price of food (which I am not so sure) everything else equal it should increase the quantity demanded.

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Dont even have to read it to discredit it....Its not even indirectly Wal Marts fault. People are responsible for their own weight. Just because you are lazy, dont exercise, and do not want to cook something healthy is not Wal-Marts fault.

For the same price as anything unhealthy that is frequently on sale and located more prominently throughout the store, anyone can buy the big bag of frozen chicken breasts for next to nothing, and some frozen vegetables.

People dont buy healthy, because they have to do more than open the box, or microwave it....they actually have to *GASP* cook something, and then *GASP* clean it up!!! That is not Wal Marts fault....its the idiot who buys the foods fault.

Its ridiculous to post something like that and claim its even indirectly WalMart's fault.

It's more of a comment on our society and the effect of abundantly cheap, processed foods. Walmart is just one of many enablers. I don't think the goal of the study was to lay fault, but to show correlations in light of the nation's obesity epidemic.

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Dont even have to read it to discredit it....Its not even indirectly Wal Marts fault. People are responsible for their own weight. Just because you are lazy, dont exercise, and do not want to cook something healthy is not Wal-Marts fault.

For the same price as anything unhealthy that is frequently on sale and located more prominently throughout the store, anyone can buy the big bag of frozen chicken breasts for next to nothing, and some frozen vegetables.

People dont buy healthy, because they have to do more than open the box, or microwave it....they actually have to *GASP* cook something, and then *GASP* clean it up!!! That is not Wal Marts fault....its the idiot who buys the foods fault.

Its ridiculous to post something like that and claim its even indirectly WalMart's fault.

It is directly Walmart's fault. But it is much more the fault of big Ag and big grocers. The reason grocery stores are packed with highly processed foods is because they have a very long shelf life. Grocers can pack their shelves to the rim with junky cereals, snacks, sodas and other garbage because they will always sell before they go bad. Add in the corn subsidies, and you get aisle after aisle of cheap garbage. Families on a budget with parents that work multiple jobs or late shifts will buy the processed crap because it won't go bad, it will fill them up for a fraction of the cost of fresh produce and lean meats and doesn't require any preparation time beyond opening the box or popping it in the microwave. Walmart exacerbates this problem by using its buying power to get the best discounts on things like chips, pop tarts and other highly processed junk. Thus, when a family shops at Walmart, they can get junk like chips, soda, pop tarts and frozen crud (hot pockets, pizzas, etc.) for a fraction of the cost as eggs, milk, fresh produce and lean meats. And the junk never has to be thrown out because it went bad, and there is no prep time for junk when the parents are working late and the kids have to make their own food or when parents come home late and don't have time to cook. You can wag your finger at people all day for not exercising and making bad decisions, but that won't do anything to solve the problem.

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There was a report or study (of which I can't find) several years ago, that made the case that people that buy things in bulk, have a tendency to gain weight.

The argument was that if you feel compelled to finish off that huge item in its entirety before it goes bad (chicken, fish sticks, other perishables). If you have a large family, or 5, it's doable since kids are basically walking stomachs, but wouldn't not gain as much weight of say, a family or 3 or 4. The variables would also be in the various ages as well.

In contrast, if you purchased normal items from grocery stores, you mainly purchased "as needed", then the weight gain would still occur (due to our sedentary lifestyle, no doubt), but not nearly as much as one would shop at Sam's.

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It is directly Walmart's fault. But it is much more the fault of big Ag and big grocers. The reason grocery stores are packed with highly processed foods is because they have a very long shelf life. Grocers can pack their shelves to the rim with junky cereals, snacks, sodas and other garbage because they will always sell before they go bad. Add in the corn subsidies, and you get aisle after aisle of cheap garbage. Families on a budget with parents that work multiple jobs or late shifts will buy the processed crap because it won't go bad, it will fill them up for a fraction of the cost of fresh produce and lean meats and doesn't require any preparation time beyond opening the box or popping it in the microwave. Walmart exacerbates this problem by using its buying power to get the best discounts on things like chips, pop tarts and other highly processed junk. Thus, when a family shops at Walmart, they can get junk like chips, soda, pop tarts and frozen crud (hot pockets, pizzas, etc.) for a fraction of the cost as eggs, milk, fresh produce and lean meats. And the junk never has to be thrown out because it went bad, and there is no prep time for junk when the parents are working late and the kids have to make their own food or when parents come home late and don't have time to cook. You can wag your finger at people all day for not exercising and making bad decisions, but that won't do anything to solve the problem.

Are you really that ignorant and do you really need to blame someone else for everything so badly? Do you really think that someone else SHOULD decide what is good for you? I know you do, because I read the rest of your posts, and you believe the government and regulation is the solution to everything.... but I dont and neither do most Americans. Whaf it the powers that be decided too much environmental waste is created by eating fresh food because its thrown out before its used??? Then they tell you that YOU can only buy processed food...you would probably switch sides then....So you have no more right, duty, or prerogative to tell people how to eat than you do tell someone else how to vote.

Walmart buys processed food because it sells, not because it has a long shelf life. If it does not sell, they stop buying it...They want to make money, not fat people. Processed Food sells because people are lazy. It is not your right or duty to tell other people how to eat and how to live their life. WalMart sells fresh produce and unprocessed meats that do not go bad in the freezer isle. People's life style choices are to blame, and it is not your right, nor should it be your right to be able to tell people that they need to change their lifestyle.

Both my wife and I work full time jobs....she works on average 12 hours a day, while I work about 9.5....we have a daughter, who goes to daycare. I leave early in the morning so I can pick her up...my wife leaves later so she can drop her off.....we both have no time at all in the evenings yet, because it is important to us we eat quality food...we cook...we plan our meals.... We eat fresh veggies....we make a menu every Sunday, we buy a weeks worth of food, and we freeze/unfreeze it as we use it...its not hard, it just takes getting off your butt.

Buying processed food does not save these families any money either...I am sure if you added it all up, it actually cost substantially more than eating healthy. When you dont have quick processed foods in the house there is nothing to snack on, so you dont snack...when you do not snack constantly you are less prone to getting fat, and you save money! If the families would adjust their lifestyle to eating healthy (something they are too LAZY to do) then obesity would not be a problem. Even the families working multiple shifts and whose parents are SOOO busy have the time to put together a casserole and stick it in the fridge...its healthy it just needs to be microwaved, and its ready to go. They dont because they are lazy, not because they are poor, or because they work too much.

Everything in moderation is a great theme to live by. We dont need you or some other bureaucrat telling us what to eat....we dont need it! We dont want it! For someone to be successful they have to want to change....fat lazy people dont want to become skinny and productive....they are happy being fat and lazy. When they pass that onto their children we get more fat and lazy....

Wal Mart is not in any way to blame for any of it. Neither is bag ag or big grocers. You really do believe everything Michael Moore tells you dont you? Get a brain, learn to use it without regard to what the tv tells you.

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Are you really that ignorant and do you really need to blame someone else for everything so badly? Do you really think that someone else SHOULD decide what is good for you? I know you do, because I read the rest of your posts, and you believe the government and regulation is the solution to everything.... but I dont and neither do most Americans. Whaf it the powers that be decided too much environmental waste is created by eating fresh food because its thrown out before its used??? Then they tell you that YOU can only buy processed food...you would probably switch sides then....So you have no more right, duty, or prerogative to tell people how to eat than you do tell someone else how to vote.

Walmart buys processed food because it sells, not because it has a long shelf life. If it does not sell, they stop buying it...They want to make money, not fat people. Processed Food sells because people are lazy. It is not your right or duty to tell other people how to eat and how to live their life. WalMart sells fresh produce and unprocessed meats that do not go bad in the freezer isle. People's life style choices are to blame, and it is not your right, nor should it be your right to be able to tell people that they need to change their lifestyle.

Both my wife and I work full time jobs....she works on average 12 hours a day, while I work about 9.5....we have a daughter, who goes to daycare. I leave early in the morning so I can pick her up...my wife leaves later so she can drop her off.....we both have no time at all in the evenings yet, because it is important to us we eat quality food...we cook...we plan our meals.... We eat fresh veggies....we make a menu every Sunday, we buy a weeks worth of food, and we freeze/unfreeze it as we use it...its not hard, it just takes getting off your butt.

Buying processed food does not save these families any money either...I am sure if you added it all up, it actually cost substantially more than eating healthy. When you dont have quick processed foods in the house there is nothing to snack on, so you dont snack...when you do not snack constantly you are less prone to getting fat, and you save money! If the families would adjust their lifestyle to eating healthy (something they are too LAZY to do) then obesity would not be a problem. Even the families working multiple shifts and whose parents are SOOO busy have the time to put together a casserole and stick it in the fridge...its healthy it just needs to be microwaved, and its ready to go. They dont because they are lazy, not because they are poor, or because they work too much.

Everything in moderation is a great theme to live by. We dont need you or some other bureaucrat telling us what to eat....we dont need it! We dont want it! For someone to be successful they have to want to change....fat lazy people dont want to become skinny and productive....they are happy being fat and lazy. When they pass that onto their children we get more fat and lazy....

Wal Mart is not in any way to blame for any of it. Neither is bag ag or big grocers. You really do believe everything Michael Moore tells you dont you? Get a brain, learn to use it without regard to what the tv tells you.

To blame Walmart as a whole for our national weight gain would be as simplistic as simply referring the sky is one color.

As much as people like to throw around the "sheeple" word out there, that's basically what we are, whether we like to admit it or not.

We fall into the trap of buying something that is cheap and easy.

As a single person, I can afford to buy whatever I want as far as food goes, but I'm busy as hell, so I have to make smart choices that fit my lifestyle.

A family of four with a tight budget doesn't have the time, means, or energy, to constantly be "healthy" in their food choices. Sometimes it just has to do with put something to feed those "walking stomachs" I referred to in another post. But to be fair, sometimes it is also ignorance that keeps people from making proper choices, but then again, it goes back to time.

Time will unusually win out to feed the family with budget and time constraints.

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I went to this place, I like it a lot, chill crowd. The bouncer said he thinks they will be moving into the former Italian place across from HOB.

Went to the new location last Friday for a friend's birthday, much bigger than the original, and a ton of people considering it was opening night. Music was too loud to talk to anyone though.

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To blame Walmart as a whole for our national weight gain would be as simplistic as simply referring the sky is one color.

As much as people like to throw around the "sheeple" word out there, that's basically what we are, whether we like to admit it or not.

We fall into the trap of buying something that is cheap and easy.

As a single person, I can afford to buy whatever I want as far as food goes, but I'm busy as hell, so I have to make smart choices that fit my lifestyle.

A family of four with a tight budget doesn't have the time, means, or energy, to constantly be "healthy" in their food choices. Sometimes it just has to do with put something to feed those "walking stomachs" I referred to in another post. But to be fair, sometimes it is also ignorance that keeps people from making proper choices, but then again, it goes back to time.

Time will unusually win out to feed the family with budget and time constraints.

I fully understand the time constraint. I am a family of 3, 5 if you count dogs (I dont count the dogs) ...add another kid next year and it will be even harder....but instead of watching the football game on Sunday, watching your nightly news or television shown, sleeping in, or whatever it is that people do with their free time, they need to make the conscious decision that they are going to put a healthy lifestyle above these other things. If you do do a little something every day it will make it all much easier. If you set a menu on Sunday, buy all of the food for the week, then its very easy. When I start doing the dishes from my dinner each night, I look at tomorrows menu, get the things I need out, and set them aside, thaw them, marinade them, or whatever it is that needs doing. Its not hard and it it does not take more than a couple minutes each day...I had to make a big life adjustment to get dinners ready after our baby came along...it was tough at first but once its been made a part of a nightly routine, its easy. If its routine it will get done, if its an exception then its an inconvenience and it wont get done.

There will be always be exceptions when you need to buy something processed, or when you eat fast food...but those exceptions should not, and would not matter if you were eating properly.

Every family has time to provide a healthy alternative for breakfast, lunch, and dinner...it just comes down to putting the time and effort in. Its much easier to be lazy and go the unhealthy route. People are lazy. There are affordable options for every family with every set of time constraints....they just take some effort.

People who want to blame WalMart are just idiots. Its not the store's fault...they did not force you to buy it, they did not force you to serve it, they did not force you to eat. They gave you an option. I would prefer to have cookies and ice cream for every meal, but it is not healthy or practical. If you let kids decide what they are going to eat, they are never going to decide to eat healthy. That is the parents responsibility...not the neighbors, not the grocery store, not the bureaucrats....its YOUR responsibility to eat healthy and provide healthy food for your family. PERIOD.

People who want to blame someone else are just weak minded!

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Went to the new location last Friday for a friend's birthday, much bigger than the original, and a ton of people considering it was opening night. Music was too loud to talk to anyone though.

seriously? sucks that the music is so loud but i'll stop by anyways and see how it is

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MarkSMU = angry militant hippy?!? :blink:

Just tired of other people thinking that they actually get to dictate to me what I should do with my life....whether or be what I do with my money, where I shop, what I eat, or what I do to the property I own....All of these people who think that they, or some elected bureaucrat should get to decide these things for me, make me sick.

Hippy though? No, I dont think so, pretty far from it.... Just highly protective over the rights I still have, and not willing to give any more of them up, so that people like S3MH can decide what I get to eat, or what the outside of my house looks like because they have nothing better to do with their life.

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