TheNiche Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 A project that was upsized? That's going to be very disappointing to all the pessimists who complain that every project ends up smaller than planned. Just an observation. The copyright on this is dated 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChannelTwoNews Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Just an observation. The copyright on this is dated 2007.Plus a couple of the buildings look like the physical model that was shown last year, before the newer renderings were released. I'm going to guess that nothing's changed thus far with the more recent version, the financing group just opted to use an older rendering of the project for their notes.I haven't recieved any indication from the engineering firm I've talked to that it's been upsized, but I'm sure I can ask around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Here is the architects website if it hasn't been posted already: http://www.bokapowell.com/We already know what hotels are going in there, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnmcbarnacle Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Here is the architects website if it hasn't been posted already: http://www.bokapowell.com/We already know what hotels are going in there, right?Thought I'd pass along some info I heard regarding this project. The story is that this project is going to go forward, but it's going to be 2 years down the road. The tenants and others lined up are ok with the delay and there is a basic problem with the financing people being able to come up with the money the had committed to providing. I also heard that BLVD place will not have the hotel or condo tower straight away either. The long term plan is to do it and the construction will allow for them to be added later, but there are some financing issues on that project as well.Don't shoot the messenger. I think this is a good source for what it's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENGcons Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Thought I'd pass along some info I heard regarding this project. The story is that this project is going to go forward, but it's going to be 2 years down the road. The tenants and others lined up are ok with the delay and there is a basic problem with the financing people being able to come up with the money the had committed to providing. I also heard that BLVD place will not have the hotel or condo tower straight away either. The long term plan is to do it and the construction will allow for them to be added later, but there are some financing issues on that project as well.Don't shoot the messenger. I think this is a good source for what it's worth.I knew the owners had procrastinated on getting their financing together and that this project may not go all at once but in phases. I have not heard that they are pushing it back for 2 years. Are you sure about that statement? Not starting any construction until 2010? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnmcbarnacle Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I knew the owners had procrastinated on getting their financing together and that this project may not go all at once but in phases. I have not heard that they are pushing it back for 2 years. Are you sure about that statement? Not starting any construction until 2010?That's what I heard and confirmed a couple of times. I heard that the tenants are still a go and that they were very confident this thing would get done, just that it needed to get pushed back. Heard that the size of the project made it hard to get financing through one or two major players and that it was a simple of function of having to go to 8 or 10 people to get financed instead of 1 or 2. The negotiations get slowed way down and closings get put off, etc. Once you are almost there someone who promised $100,000,000 will balk and say they can give you 50, and then you have to start again with a new party to make up the difference. But, on the good side, they were confident that the market here is solid and will continue to be. It's just a liquidity thing. I also heard, for what it's worth, that some retail tenants have put a freeze on new locations until this thing passes. They are planning on filling this place with "ultra-ultra high end" stuff and while these retailers want a Houston presence asap, they want to wait until the big picture settles a little bit before they do anything anywhere. I got the impression that everyone involved kind of agreed to take a deep breath. Like one of those scheduled holds on a Shuttle launch.He was also excited about the High Street project, even though it wasn't his. He thinks the two together will be incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrunner Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 That's what I heard and confirmed a couple of times. I heard that the tenants are still a go and that they were very confident this thing would get done, just that it needed to get pushed back. Heard that the size of the project made it hard to get financing through one or two major players and that it was a simple of function of having to go to 8 or 10 people to get financed instead of 1 or 2. The negotiations get slowed way down and closings get put off, etc. Once you are almost there someone who promised $100,000,000 will balk and say they can give you 50, and then you have to start again with a new party to make up the difference. But, on the good side, they were confident that the market here is solid and will continue to be. It's just a liquidity thing. I also heard, for what it's worth, that some retail tenants have put a freeze on new locations until this thing passes. They are planning on filling this place with "ultra-ultra high end" stuff and while these retailers want a Houston presence asap, they want to wait until the big picture settles a little bit before they do anything anywhere. I got the impression that everyone involved kind of agreed to take a deep breath. Like one of those scheduled holds on a Shuttle launch.He was also excited about the High Street project, even though it wasn't his. He thinks the two together will be incredible.This is unfortunate, but expected. Oh well, at least it's still on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSky Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 This bodes well for Houston Pavilions. With the delay being almost 2 years+another 2 years for the thing to get built, will give HP some time to mature, grow and develop as well as attract and prove the concept that Downtown Houston can be a draw for entertainment, shopping and retail. These are some fascinating times we live in, I also believed that some of these projects were going to die anyway. It was way too progressive to have all of this development in and around the loop without adding a significant amount of residential to the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted October 15, 2008 Author Share Posted October 15, 2008 Thought I'd pass along some info I heard regarding this project. The story is that this project is going to go forward, but it's going to be 2 years down the road. The tenants and others lined up are ok with the delay and there is a basic problem with the financing people being able to come up with the money the had committed to providing. I also heard that BLVD place will not have the hotel or condo tower straight away either. The long term plan is to do it and the construction will allow for them to be added later, but there are some financing issues on that project as well.Don't shoot the messenger. I think this is a good source for what it's worth.Disappointed but not surprised. Do you have any word on what kind of tenants are expected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnmcbarnacle Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Disappointed but not surprised. Do you have any word on what kind of tenants are expected?I heard the hotel was still a go -- was this W or Ritz? I forgot. As for retail, I heard "ultra-ultra high end." So I figure that means the inner loop will be getting a sorely needed Orange Julius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmoneybangbang Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 (edited) I believe it was the W. Edited October 16, 2008 by dmoneybangbang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Nothing we really don't already know. Just information and link to the company dealing with the hotels: At its perimeter, the project will feature a mid-rise retail flagship building and four high-rise towers that will contain 300 rental apartments, 200,000sf of Class A office space, a luxury hotel and residences, and a four-star, business-oriented hotel. Keen Partners is co-developing the two hotel sites in partnership with OliverMcMillan. Hotel Site A is designed to be Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizen4rmptown Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 well the pdf. was dated 2008, at the time where all of this was being thought of.....so no current updates for the project i assume? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 so no current updates for the project i assume?On hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Anything new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandacitaBonita Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I see no one has said anything about this in a while. Just wondering if anyone has new information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 not our best rendering, but a different/new one to us none the less... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Hey, where did you find that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 http://www.pappageorgehaymes.com/high-rise/the-river-oaks.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sargento03 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I searched and searched for this but did not find anything. This appears to be a mixed-use project (200,000 SF of retail space plus "hotels, condo, apartments, and office space). Given its location, at first I thought it was the high street project, but it appears to be different. There is a ton of info on the following websites. I'll let the experts extract renderings and/or confirm/delete/merge.http://www.gensler.com/#projects/222http://www.olivermcmillan.com/deve/houston/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Nice... But I thought this was either a stale proposal or almost done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Is this new? I wonder why they chose that plot of land.Wait. This can't be new. There's an incomplete development right next door that appears to have been abandoned, and the apartment complex on the site of this development has been aggressively trying to attract new residents with promises of a month or two of free rent. Those aren't the actions of a complex that's planning on shutting their doors to make way for the bulldozers, plus I would imagine the undeveloped land next door would be less expensive to acquire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I think there was a ford dealership on this site before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Not new, I think its dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Yeah... I thought so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegacyTree Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I think there was a ford dealership on this site before.The old Central Ford lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 The old Central Ford lot?No, that's next door. That's the lot I was referring to when I wrote this previously:There's an incomplete development right next door that appears to have been abandoned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/14504-uptown-area-river-oaks-district/page__pid__223402#entry223402 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Note duplicate topics merged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 No, that's next door. That's the lot I was referring to when I wrote this previously: Hi, to clarify some confusion about two different developments on Westheimer I decided to post these images. High Street is going to be in place of demolished Ford dealership and River Oaks District is next door (in place of the an apartment complex). I am looking for any updates regarding these two mixed-use developments. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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