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This will not get built. With the smallest unit starting at $1M, there simply aren't enough buyers between this, Ritz II and the Mandarin.

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The web designer should be fired. It is NOT ok to resize my window.

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This will not get built. With the smallest unit starting at $1M, there simply aren't enough buyers between this, Ritz II and the Mandarin.

Damn! Does Dallas even have that big off a market to support that?

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Damn! Does Dallas even have that big off a market to support that?

okay....u started the thread....So why didn't you post your concerne when u first started it?....It seems like u posted and waited for negative responses and then you added your skeptisism of the project........I dunno it just seems kinda weird......And you are normally the person who has something to go against the Dallas grain.......so thats another reason it seems funny that you would start this thread......But it WILL get built ............just watch! ;)

This will not get built. With the smallest unit starting at $1M, there simply aren't enough buyers between this, Ritz II and the Mandarin.

oh please!!! :wacko:

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This will not get built. With the smallest unit starting at $1M, there simply aren't enough buyers between this, Ritz II and the Mandarin.

You could be right. That said, the developers originally proposed and withdrew a tower around 20 floors, and now they return with a tower more than twice as tall - sounds like confidence to me.

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This will not get built. With the smallest unit starting at $1M, there simply aren't enough buyers between this, Ritz II and the Mandarin.

Perhaps I overlooked it, but I don't see any pricing information on that website. Where did you come up with that "starting at $1 million figure? If true, I'll be surprised if it gets built too. 125 units starting at $1 million? In a market that is already struggling to fill the Ritz Carlton, W, Mandarin Oriental, etc etc? Doesn't seem too likely.

You could be right. That said, the developers originally proposed and withdrew a tower around 20 floors, and now they return with a tower more than twice as tall - sounds like confidence to me.

... or delusions ;-)

EDIT: Aztx, I found the "starting at $1million" thing in Steve Brown's DMN article. Beautiful design, but can they be serious? $1 million for a 1450 square foot apartment in Dallas Texas? More power to 'em if they can get it done...

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okay....u started the thread....So why didn't you post your concerne when u first started it?....It seems like u posted and waited for negative responses and then you added your skeptisism of the project........I dunno it just seems kinda weird......And you are normally the person who has something to go against the Dallas grain.......so thats another reason it seems funny that you would start this thread......But it WILL get built ............just watch! ;)

The hell are you talking about? I like the look of the tower, and posted it in my first response. Then someone said it might not get build. Then I asked a simple question. I'm not the only one wondering that too. I saw someone post similiar responses on Dallas' forum.

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The hell are you talking about? I like the look of the tower, and posted it in my first response. Then someone said it might not get build. Then I asked a simple question. I'm not the only one wondering that too. I saw someone post similiar responses on Dallas' forum.

Don't pay attention to him Trae.

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Before the usual suspects get started, review the reminder at the top of the page.

maybe the editor can pull a plastic and ban them.

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maybe the editor can pull a plastic and ban them.

It's right there in the reminder notice.

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EDIT: Aztx, I found the "starting at $1million" thing in Steve Brown's DMN article. Beautiful design, but can they be serious? $1 million for a 1450 square foot apartment in Dallas Texas? More power to 'em if they can get it done...

You think that's outrageous, if I'm not mistaken, $950K only buys 1000 s.f. at the Mandarin.

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Lovely modern design. I like. I also hope it is built. It would be a asset and a well overdue addition to the skyline.

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This will not get built. With the smallest unit starting at $1M, there simply aren't enough buyers between this, Ritz II and the Mandarin.

I disagree, By my count there is the Mandarin with 90 units, this project with 125 units and The Ritz with 94. This is just 309 1million dollar condos. Trust me, Dallas has enough rich people to fill that many condos ( as does Houston ).

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I disagree, By my count there is the Mandarin with 90 units, this project with 125 units and The Ritz with 94. This is just 309 1million dollar condos. Trust me, Dallas has enough rich people to fill that many condos ( as does Houston ).

You've left out the condos at the W, the condos at the Mansion, and several other high-end projects that have gone up recently or are going up in Dallas. No doubt there are plenty of people in both Dallas and Houston who could afford such condos, but are there that many actually interested in doing so? The jury is definitely still out on that question. Note that several very-high-end projects have been canceled in both Dallas and Houston in recent years.

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There really isn't that many high-end condos to go around. Atlanta is going through that same problem (they seem to be overbuilding).

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The hell are you talking about? I like the look of the tower, and posted it in my first response. Then someone said it might not get build. Then I asked a simple question. I'm not the only one wondering that too. I saw someone post similiar responses on Dallas' forum.

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But too bad your wrong. I wasn't even thinking about anything like that. I first saw this tower on SSP, and saw no thread of it here, so posted it. I think you may be a bit too paranoid. Do you honestly think I made this thread for negative comment? I posted the exact same thread over at my forum:

Link. Do you think I would have waited for negative comments there, too?

Give me a break.

Here is a rendering:

museumtowernew001iw1.jpg

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I'm trying to figure out how Trae's initial post, and I quote, "A very nice looking tower" offends you. Very strange.

Anyway, I like the tower as well, and can imagine the South side views of DT will be fantastic.

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What's not to like about this tower? Except maybe the agonizing months ahead of speculating whether or not it will actually be built. It's very nice and in the perfect location. I didn't read anything negitive about Trae's post. Dallasboi is just so excited over this one that his nerves are probably on edge, so we should cut him some slack. I'd be a little nervous too about the possibility of something this nice actually coming to fruition in an overbuilt market like Dallas. I understand there has been an awful lot of annoucements for projects that never went anywhere in Dallas. But good luck anyway.

Seeing renderings like this (in Dallas AND Houston) is like holding candy in front of a child but not giving it too him unless he promises to be good for six months. It's pure torture and we can all relate. There are quite a few pieces of eye candy posted of Houston projects too and all we can do is try to behave ourselves and hope for the best.

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Guest Marty

I see the glass facade is clear, don't they usually use tinted glass?

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I see the glass facade is clear, don't they usually use tinted glass?

Actually, that is not a glass facade at all. If you look closely, the "facade" faces toward the west, specifically toward Jerry World in Arlington. The "facade" is made of specially designed fresnel prisms, capable of focusing light in a very precise pattern. This will cause an unbearable amount of heat to be generated on the Dallas Cowboys' new stadium, rendering any attempt at a comfortable viewing experience impossible. The City of Dallas, in a secret meeting, has approved funding to build this tower, including its Death Ray facade, regardless whether any of the units are sold. The belief is that after 2 or 3 games in 145 degree heat, Jerry Jones will cry uncle, and beg to play his games in the refurbished Cotton Bowl, thereby recouping the millions spent funding the Museum Tower.

Once the Cowboys are safely moved to the Cotton Bowl, the Death Ray will be refocused on Fort Worth City Hall, removing once and for all any opposition to the repeal of the Wright Amendment.

Brilliant move, if I do say so myself.

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Guest Marty

I like the tower i was wondering if the windows would be tinted.

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Why is it that when the Dallas area announces a 42 story highrise, people on this post automatically start saying it won't be built? The skeptics don't even give facts to back up their comments which seems a little childish. In my opinion, its seems to be a Dallas vs Houston thing... I've been watching the Austin threads and no one has negative posts about their "proposed" 40 story condos..

I believe this one will be built. The Arts Distict will be a unique, upscale place to live in dtd. Btw, does anyone have an extra 1 million dollars I can borrow?

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I believe this one will be built.

I notice that you didn't even give facts to back up your comments.

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Really, and why do the Dallers automatically think that everything announced will automatically be built. How naive. There's a long list of unbuilt towers in Dallas. Sorry, but it's true.

Anyway, who knows what will be built and what won't. I don't know. I just read several post on dallasmetropolis.com from some people who expressed doubts that this project will become a reality. They probably know more about whats going on in Dallas than I do. I'm just a friendly visitor and I keep hearing that the market is getting overbuilt up there. Don't blame me or HAIFers if that stuff is true.

Lots of people on dalmet.com think that this tower will be built, and that's great. Of course, most of those guys don't sound like they know any more than I do about the market and it would be easy to dismiss them as 'wishful thinkers'. If you were really confident in this project you wouldn't be bothered by what what a bunch of people from Houston think. When they announced the Park Tower in dowtown Houston I didn't rush up to dalmet to see whether or not anyone there thought it was going to be built, I just kept my fingers crossed until they broke ground. But it's kind of flattering to know that you do care about the opinions at this forum. Thanks.

And I'm sure I speak for everyone in Texas when I say - This is beautiful tower, good luck and may all your dreams come true. Can't get anymore positive than that.

BTW - Austin is small potatoes. They're cute but everything they do goes unnoticed in big cities. - except maybe on MTV. :)

Edited by Mister X

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Guest Marty
many characteristics of the exxon building here from 1963.

I does look like the Exxon building which is one of my favorite Houston buildings, maybe they should add a glass facade like that and we can see what it would look like in person.

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I'd be a little nervous too about the possibility of something this nice actually coming to fruition in an overbuilt market like Dallas. I understand there has been an awful lot of annoucements for projects that never went anywhere in Dallas.

I think this tower has a pretty good chance. If/when the Woodall Rodgers Deck Park gets built on this location's doorstep, it will justify the high prices. Also, I would guess the Dallas condo market has at least another 5 years. Sure alot of announcements have fallen through but that is the nature of things. There has been a constant flow of projects over the past years and it doesnt seem to be slowing down yet.

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I notice that you didn't even give facts to back up your comments.

Yeah, I figured someone would point that out. As I said before the Arts Distict is transforming into a unique, upscale place to live in dtd. If you look at the infrastructure being built in the Arts District and the money behind the progress, it should create momentum for sales of this tower. This is similar to the Victory development except the Arts District appeals to a differrent group of people.

Here are some of the projects already under construction.

1. Wyly Theatre

2. Winspear Opera House

3. Hunt Corp Headquarters Tower (Across from the Dallas Museum of Art)

4. One Arts Plaza - 3 more buildings pending as part of the master plan

Existing Structures/facilities

1. Anette Strauss Artist Square

2. Belo Mansion

3. Dallas black dance theater

4. Arts District Theater

5. Dallas Museum of Art

6. Dallas Symphony Center

7. Nasher Sculpture Center

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I does look like the Exxon building which is one of my favorite Houston buildings, maybe they should add a glass facade like that and we can see what it would look like in person.

This is way better than the Exxon building in my opinion. It's funny how people either love or hate the Exxon building. There doesn't seem to be any riding the fence.

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This is way better than the Exxon building in my opinion. It's funny how people either love or hate the Exxon building. There doesn't seem to be any riding the fence.

I'm just "okay" with it.

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I does look like the Exxon building which is one of my favorite Houston buildings, maybe they should add a glass facade like that and we can see what it would look like in person.

just walking in my building, a similar design is used all over JSC (protruding ledge with supporting columns and a partial glass facade) built in the early 60's as well.

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I personally dislike the Exxon Tower. I've tried to like it, to appreciate it, but I can't.

This Museum Tower being proposed has a better, fresher design, but even with that, the affect suggests a wee bit too much glass. I'd like to see the tower with a better mix of glass and conrete (maybe broader/heavier vertical exterior beams made of concrete).

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Actually, that is not a glass facade at all. If you look closely, the "facade" faces toward the west, specifically toward Jerry World in Arlington. The "facade" is made of specially designed fresnel prisms, capable of focusing light in a very precise pattern. This will cause an unbearable amount of heat to be generated on the Dallas Cowboys' new stadium, rendering any attempt at a comfortable viewing experience impossible. The City of Dallas, in a secret meeting, has approved funding to build this tower, including its Death Ray facade, regardless whether any of the units are sold. The belief is that after 2 or 3 games in 145 degree heat, Jerry Jones will cry uncle, and beg to play his games in the refurbished Cotton Bowl, thereby recouping the millions spent funding the Museum Tower.

Once the Cowboys are safely moved to the Cotton Bowl, the Death Ray will be refocused on Fort Worth City Hall, removing once and for all any opposition to the repeal of the Wright Amendment.

Brilliant move, if I do say so myself.

Edited by dallastar

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I like the Museum Tower design, including the Death Ray, but I think that it looks out of place in that location. The new opera house nearby is great. I love it.

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We should play word bingo in Dallas threads.

Here's a partial list of words and phrases to get started:

Houston (free spot)

upscale

exclusive

"never gonna happen"

"it WILL get built!"

$1M+

editor

"deleted inappropriate comments"

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We should play word bingo in Dallas threads.

Here's a partial list of words and phrases to get started:

Houston (free spot)

upscale

exclusive

"never gonna happen"

"it WILL get built!"

$1M+

editor

"deleted inappropriate comments"

How about "Keep it on topic, please"? <_<

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How about "Keep it on topic, please"? <_<

I guess you deleted my stuff because I said the word "hell"? But you didn't bother to erase Trea's comment and he said"hell" before I did.......Oh but he is from houston <_< ...look all I'm pointing out is .....you guys can make me out to be whoever you please...but when it come to deleting comments ....I think all of the "MODS" should be fair about it and not bias.......So now that you left his comment and deleted mine....it appears that I stirred the up .

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There really isn't that many high-end condos to go around. Atlanta is going through that same problem (they seem to be overbuilding).

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So if you feel like there isn't enough high-end condo's to go around....then why would you question the Dallas market before you posted this satement?....And the atlanta comment contridicts the first part of your statement...so that's why I commented to you posting this because you didn't know what stance to take ....and like I said earlier....for you to be one who downplays everything dallas announces...what would make you so ecited to post about this.....It is a nice tower........but since this is somewhat out of your character it just made me wonder....So mods thanks again :mellow:

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This tower may or may not get built - most of us are not actually real estate experts who can truly say if this is a brilliant project or impending failure. At this point in this thread those possibilities has been well addressed.

So, aside from that speculation, I would be more interested in hearing the opinions about the building itself, and its overall impact on the surrounding area IF it does actually get get built.

In my opinion, the rendering makes it look like a fairly unique and interesting building that would probably add a lot to the skyline, but at 42 stories it will completely dwarf its low-rise Arts District neighbors (and Woodall Rodgers Park) and stand somewhat isolated.

Perhaps it isn't much different than the Trammel Crow Center looming over the district, and if anything ever happens with the old Lone Star site across from the Meyerson, it might fit in better.

All in all, I think it will be a nice asset if it does get completed, although it may not be the best fit for that site.

Edited by TxDave

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So if you feel like there isn't enough high-end condo's to go around....then why would you question the Dallas market before you posted this satement?....And the atlanta comment contridicts the first part of your statement...so that's why I commented to you posting this because you didn't know what stance to take ....and like I said earlier....for you to be one who downplays everything dallas announces...what would make you so ecited to post about this.....It is a nice tower........but since this is somewhat out of your character it just made me wonder....So mods thanks again :mellow:

You have got to be kidding me.... You misunderstood what I was trying to say. There isn't enough money to go into these high-end condos. People can't afford them, and if they could, why pay so much for a small space in a city like Atlanta or Dallas?

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You have got to be kidding me.... You misunderstood what I was trying to say. There isn't enough money to go into these high-end condos. People can't afford them, and if they could, why may so much for a small space in a city like Atlanta or Dallas?

Trae, I believe there is enough money to go around for a project like this. Developers are not going to build a project of this scale without doing their due diligence. This project is a go from everything I have heard.

That being said, I would assume that if they do not pre sale 50%, then this project would not happen.

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This project is a go from everything I have heard.

That being said, I would assume that if they do not pre sale 50%, then this project would not happen.

You just contradicted yourself.

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You just contradicted yourself.

I am told it is a go and has been greenlighted.

That being said, with the current market, I would think the developers would want to see a 50% pre sale before they break ground. I am contstantly amazed to see new projects announced in a constricting market.

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And on that brain dead note, I am officially out for good.

But you bayou goobers need to ask yourselves just one little question.

If you have a Dallas/Fort Worth/Metroplex sub-forum and you don't want anyone posting any news about the region, then just what the hell is it for exactly?

Never mind, don't bother answering. The person asking no longer gives a crap.

Damn, I thought this one was out FOR GOOD.

Nice drawing though.

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