dbigtex56 Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 I've read all the Dallas posts, and have seen little mention made of Oak Lawn. Having never been there, any information or pictures would be appreciated. How does it compare with the Montrose? Is it part of a larger neighborhood? Are property values going up or down? Is it perceived as 'safe'? Pedestrian oriented? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGrayGuy Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 As someone in the know about both neighborhoods. Let me tell you that Montrose is way safer than Oaklawn. Most of my friends in Dallas will tell you stories of burgularies and car thefts in Oaklawn. I will not try to pretend that Montrose is safe just safer. Oaklawn is surrounded by lower income neighborhoods. In fact there is a very popular bar one one side of Oaklawn (off Maple ave) that has a shuttle to it because the neighborhood between it and Cedar Springs (the main strip) is so bad.I always feel less safe in Dallas, the crime capital of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Hizzy! Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 I thought Atlanta was the overall crime leader followed by Detroit (for Metros over 2,000,000)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGrayGuy Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Dallas is the number one crime leader in big cities. Here is a link to story I found referring to this stat:Dallas Crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceCity Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Oak Lawn Pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantanamo Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Oak Lawn isn't surrounded by low income neighborhoods. To the west, yes it is, and some of the crime has spilled over. But to the north it borders Highland Park, to the east it borders Turtle Creek and to the south it borders the western portion of Uptown. All far above average income neighborhoods. It's not as urban as Uptown yet, but is very similar to Knox Park in that it has an urban village type area in its heart. Very popular gay hood in Dallas. Zoning calls for lots of townhomes and condos with small setbacks which is very similar to State-Thomas for the future. There is lots of development going on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceCity Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Perhaps a more appropriate title is, "Who are the people in your gayborhood?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallasite Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 I always feel less safe in Dallas, the crime capital of the country.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>That statement is as absurd as me saying, "Houston, the smog capital of the World." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceCity Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Dallas is the number one crime leader in big cities. Here is a link to story I found referring to this stat:Although that statistic is true, I don't see Dallas' crime as that bad. It just depends which area you are in. In North Dallas, Uptown, Turtle Creek its seems very safe. Lots of single women jogging or walking their dogs (which I assume one would not do in an unsafe neighborhood). In south Dallas and East Dallas -- its rough. I wouldn't want to be there at night. But then again, I'm a nervous white guy. Oak Lawn is in between. East of the Tollway is rough. But the northern edges of Oak Lawn look safe. The eastern edges are very affluent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGrayGuy Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Rantanamo:I stand corrected. I meant to say that the interior part of Oak Lawn is fairly unsafe not necessarily low income rather than the surrounding neighborhoods. Let me be specific about the areas I referring to. The area is bound by Cedar Springs (north), Oak Lawn (East), Maple (South) and Wycliff (West). Also scary, the area just North of Cedar Springs but South of Lemmon ave. Several of my friends' cars have been broken into here.This area is much less safe than Montrose...the original point of this post. I have parked for years in both Montrose and Oak Lawn and I would pick Montrose any day.Dallasite, I will refer you to my link below for the following story, written by the Dallas Morning News.Dallas has No.1 big-city crime rateBY MICHAEL GRABELLThe Dallas Morning NewsHave a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westguy Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 I used to volunteer at Scottish Rite. There are some nice areas in Oak Lawn, but this particular area always seemed kind of seedy. Perhaps it was because it was near Harry Hines Blvd, which is famous for having more hookers than pedestrians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceCity Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 But wait, my mom said that she and my Dad first met while she was on Harry Hines. OH DEAR GOD --- I'm a hooker's son! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westguy Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Maybe he said that your mother had hairy hinds (legs). Your mother could've been a hippy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceCity Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Maybe he said that your mother had hairy hinds (legs). Your mother could've been a hippy.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>That makes me feel better. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 One more time. Please stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryMoto Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 I don't know Montrose well at all so I can't make a comparison but I think you'll see a major transformation in Oak Lawn over the next 5-10 years. It's already started as property values rise in nearby areas like Uptown and the demand for in-town living continues to grow. New condos have recently opened or are going up throughout the area.This is going to put the squeeze on the older apartments in Oak Lawn, especially the ones that are eyesores. Sites like intownliving.com and (I think) dallasintown.com are just two examples of local real estate agents who are betting on an upscale future for Oak Lawn.On top of that, there's been a recent refurbishment of some of the businesses along Cedar Springs. With the huge Victory Project opening downtown and the increasing cosmopolitan feel of McKinney Avenue in Uptown, that dynamic is bound to spread to neighboring areas like Oak Lawn. Just give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbanLandscape Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 One more time. Please stay on topic.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why?! This talk of hookers and hairy legs is much more fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 UrbanLandscapeHookers WITH hairy legs, or Hookers AND hairy legs? It's a very important distinction that needs verification, y'know. Ricco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Why?! This talk of hookers and hairy legs is much more fun!Then start a new topic about it in Way Off Topic, please.Subdude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Well, okay, if you insist on it and here is the link! Ricco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 To Harrymoto:Montrose is going threw the same phase. Many new residential projects are being spruce up alond Montrose Blvd., Westheimer, and there quiet nice. Montrose may now have new high-rise buildings being built, yet, but, there are alot of Mid-rise and Low-rise development going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danes75 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 there used to be a lot of hate crimes in oak lawn, i don't know if that has changed or not. even though the stats are pretty bad for OL, I still feel safer there than Montrose. I think it has something to do with the state of repairs in the area. The sidewalks are horrid in Montrose and a lot of the streetlights are blacked out by overgrown trees. Add to that rundown and boarded up houses, and the hookas on every corner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantanamo Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 There's a photo thread of Oak Lawn on Dallasmetropolis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGrayGuy Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 I feel much safer in Montrose than Oaklawn. My friends in Dallas all know somene or they themselves been a victim of crime. My friends and I in Houston do not have this same issue. When I was in Dallas over Memorial Day weekend a homeless man was killed in the parking of the Cathedral of Hope church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantanamo Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 yes, and houston rules the universe. We already know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 In Houston, it's just central americans killing other central americans.Stay away from El Loco cantina and all is well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxDave Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 I have lived in both cities and spent time in both neighborhoods. They are very much the same. They are both late night entertainment areas that, by nature, are targets of crime. The reality is that both neighborhoods have areas that are perfectly safe to park and walk and others that are wise to avoid. Regarding a murder at the Catherdral of Hope parking lot: has there never been a murder anywhere in the greater Montrose area?Anecdotes and perception will determine how comfortable you are, but may not be reality. How "safe" an area "feels" has a lot to do with how familiar you are with the place. If you are less familiar with an area you may perceive it as less safe, although it may be perfectly fine. Whereas when you know an area well, you know where to go and, perhaps subconsciously, avoid areas that may be more risky. After numerous visits to a particular place without incident you may even develop a false sense of security when you should be more aware.All-in-all these two area are much more similar than dissimilar in most manners including crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy1 Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Actually, Oaklawn is a very desirable neighborhood, and improving everyday. There are parts of OL that have not transitioned yet, but there are also areas that are well into redevelopment. OL is also surrounded by either very affluent neighborhoods or by transitioning areas. From Cedar Springs - the main strip in Oaklawn - the closer you get to Maple Ave, the worse the neighborhood gets... but if you go in any other direction you're in very high dollar real estate. I was driving around OL today just checking out all the changes that are going on. Right now there is a 9 story luxery residential tower being built at Oaklawn and Prescott, I think. I noticed the sign said the condo's will be priced from $600K - $1.5 Million. I've also noticed that a the area seems to be exploding with Brownstone-like townhomes and other high dollar residential zero-lot line developments. There are also high dollar redevelopment projects springing up west of Cedar Springs and I believe the crime rate in that area is not violent crime, but more theft-type crimes... typically. Granted, it's still crime... but I don't think the murder/assault rate in OL is as bad as some on this thread have made it out to be. And, it's certainly NOTHING like the murder/assault rate in South Dallas - where the majority of Dallas' violent crimes take place. However, there are drugs and prostitution in the OL area... But that just goes with any entertainment district that caters to young party-goers. Unfortunately, the gay community in Dallas that centers around the OL community, is suffering from the same drug problems that seem to be the new plague in gay communities around the country... meth, heroin, and X and G, as well as date rape drugs, are all known to be very popular in the gay subculture and there have even been articles in the papers about it recently. Where you have recreational drug users, you will usually find other crimes - prostitution, theft, sex crimes, etc. However, OL has also increased the amount of police officers in the area due to some past problems with hate crimes, etc.... Those crimes seem to be diminishing.... Oak Lawn is the next up-and-coming area of Dallas.... 5 years from now it will be just an extension of Uptown/Turtle Creek/Highland Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallasboi Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 West Grey Guy...U are Halarious!!!The montrose neighborhood Is far more creepy than Oak Lawn. Now don't get me wrong The crime statistics may not say the same but as far as feeling safe ...I have to go with Oak Lawn. Houstonians refer to this area as an area comparable to oak lawn but it is not as weel planned and concentrated as the oak Lawn area and it is not as affluent. I did have a great time at "Bartini's" but West Grey I'll walk alone in Oak Lawn at4am fast befor montrose....Sorry!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InnerLoopOnly Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 West Grey Guy...U are Halarious!!!The montrose neighborhood Is far more creepy than Oak Lawn. Now don't get me wrong The crime statistics may not say the same but as far as feeling safe ...I have to go with Oak Lawn. Houstonians refer to this area as an area comparable to oak lawn but it is not as weel planned and concentrated as the oak Lawn area and it is not as affluent. I did have a great time at "Bartini's" but West Grey I'll walk alone in Oak Lawn at4am fast befor montrose....Sorry!!!<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Must be the Dallas version of Montrose 1100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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